I Love it when LeBron Loses

[raiders72]

The years where Jordan attempted a lot of 3s, not just prayers, he hit 35%, 50% (shortened season) 42% and 37%. Another year 37%. All years when he attempted 2.9 or more/game. Games less than that a higher percentage weren't good looks. Makes obvious sense.

 

[raiders72]

Why didn't he make them? Isn't he Michael Jordan?

GOATs should make those

LeBron better shooting % from 3 and in clutch situations, higher volume of shots too in both cases

Higher volume equals a higher percentage of good looks. Just think about it. The years that Jordan attempted a lot of 3s his percentage was good.

 

[raiders72]

What we do know, though, is that there is a general positive correlation between an increased amount of 3-point attempts and Jordan’s 3-point accuracy. For every 50 3-pointers Jordan attempted throughout his career, he generally increased his 3-point percentage by about five percent, per a linear trend line. https://hoopshabit.com/2020/05/16/chicago-bulls-michael-jordan-3-point/

 

[Avocado33]

The years where Jordan attempted a lot of 3s, not just prayers, he hit 35%, 50% (shortened season) 42% and 37%. Another year 37%. All years when he attempted 2.9 or more/game. Games less than that a higher percentage weren't good looks. Makes obvious sense.

Oh okay so we should ignore all the 3s he took that caused his career percentage to be 32%

Makes sense.

 

[raiders72]

Oh okay so we should ignore all the 3s he took that caused his career percentage to be 32%

Makes sense.

I don't think you are understanding the difference between contested 3s and non-contested 3s. There's a 10% difference in their FT %. There's no way that Brick is a better 3 point shooter under same circumstances. If they shoot the same amount of 3s in a year, Jordan hits for a higher percentage because the open 3s percentage is the same.

 

[raiders72]

You ever watch Larry Bird hit 3s? You think his 3 point percentage is close to Brick's under the same circumstance. Bird only hit 37%. It has to do with attempts. Bird's percentage of contested 3s were much higher than Brick.

 

[raiders72]

Larry Bird 37%, Brick 35%. I guess they are close to the same even though Bird won the first 3 contests for 3 point shooting.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Higher volume equals a higher percentage of good looks. Just think about it. The years that Jordan attempted a lot of 3s his percentage was good.

That is not true

 

[raiders72]

That is not true

It's true because your prayer shots will be at a higher percentage while your open looks will be at a lower percentage. The prayer shots will be constant. The open shots aren't.

Take 2 shots, 1 may be a 1/2 time prayer with 3 seconds to go at HT. The other open. 50% open........Take 5 shots, 1 will still be a prayer, 3 seconds before HT, and 4 may be open. 80% open.

If this isn't true then why are LeBron and Bird so close in shooting % of 3s.

 

[raiders72]

That's why Jordan's percentage increases with volume as shown by the link above.

 

[raiders72]

Brick shoots more 3s than LeBron per game. Bird took tougher shots % wise. If you don't believe this then come up with a reason why Brick and Bird shot close to the same percentage for 3s.

 

[raiders72]

Back in the day, they didn't run plays to get guys open for 3. Now they do it all the time. The 3s they took back in the day were forced 3s. Before half, or if a team was down 3.

 

[skoda]

Back in the day, they didn't run plays to get guys open for 3. Now they do it all the time. The 3s they took back in the day were forced 3s. Before half, or if a team was down 3.

Point on... Looking forward to tonight's game, Lebron career should end!

 

[crudebar]

Comparing 3 point percentages to players now and players before something like 2010(ballpark) is another fools errand.

The 3 was only taken by specialists and was considered just about a bad shot taken by anyone else at any point in the possession. I remember one NBA Finals taking Kobe Bryant on making 3s and his over/under for each game was .5 threes made. POINT 5. Basically will Kobe make a 3 in this game yes/no.

 

[crudebar]

Lebron's Laker run this year has now been shadowed by Jimmy. It did look impressive until this heat run. This has been unbelievable. They just ran through the EC without even being tested. Taking out the 2 NBA favorites in ho-hum fashion.

edit: also getting dump trucked by Denver takes a hell of a lot of the shine off.

 

[HacheMan]

Back in the day, they didn't run plays to get guys open for 3. Now they do it all the time. The 3s they took back in the day were forced 3s. Before half, or if a team was down 3.

And they actually played defense back then, got up in each other's face, it was harder to get 3's off altogether

 

[Avocado33]

That is not true

Exactly.

It’s also just funny that he ignores the fact that he took enough 3s overall to drop it to 32%.

 

[Avocado33]

It's true because your prayer shots will be at a higher percentage while your open looks will be at a lower percentage. The prayer shots will be constant. The open shots aren't.

Take 2 shots, 1 may be a 1/2 time prayer with 3 seconds to go at HT. The other open. 50% open........Take 5 shots, 1 will still be a prayer, 3 seconds before HT, and 4 may be open. 80% open.

If this isn't true then why are LeBron and Bird so close in shooting % of 3s.

Two things wrong with this:

1) what is the evidence that Michael’s were “forced” at the end of halves? That’s something that is verifiable, yet I haven’t seen evidence of it.

2) what does that have to do with Bird’s 3 point percentage?

 

[Avocado33]

Larry Bird 37%, Brick 35%. I guess they are close to the same even though Bird won the first 3 contests for 3 point shooting.

3 point shooting in a game vs 3 point shooting in a contest are completely different skill sets

I was at Game 6 of the finals last year watching pretty much every player in warm ups hit 75% + of their 3s including brick layers like Draymond Green and Marcus Smart . Happens every time I go to an nba game

Same with free throw shooting by the way. The fact that Curry is not even 92% is kinda hilarious given he could make 100 in a row like nothing in practice

 

[Avocado33]

And they actually played defense back then, got up in each other's face, it was harder to get 3's off altogether

They didn’t guard the 3 point line nearly as well as they do today

Players didn’t take as many 3s so defenses sagged off way more