i hope somebody investigates tony weeks....

[sphincter]

i`ve never seen anything quite like that.....even in boxing.....

corrrales is knocked down.....practically out.....he SPITS his mouthpiece out.......tony weeks gives him a 9 count...then leisurely saunters over and lets dan goossen take his time putting it back in....

then,he goes down again...literally pulls the mouthpiece out of his mouth with his glove........and barely makes it up after a very slow 9 count......

tony weeks AGAIN leisurely walks corrales over to his corner....goossen takes around 7 seconds to get to the ring...talks to corrales.....he had at least 25 seconds...probably more to recoup.....


corrales is literally out.....weeks literally won this fight for him....


i`ve always said that goossen was slick...now we know for sure....

this was the most blatant example of a ref determining the outcome of a fight i`ve ever seen....

i`m flabbergasted....

and al bernstein...as he did so many times on espn...was making excuses....

unreal....

a beyond great fight....ruined

literally turned on it`s ear...

if somebody doesn`t investigate this,then you can throw boxing in the shitcan,imo...

 

[JOddessa]

Very shitty way 2 lose. I needed Castillo pretty good as did a few close friends.

:sad3:

 

[franks]

This ain't going to end anytime soon. Boxing sometimes is on a par with Olympic judges scoring. Sure it sucks, but as you stated spinch, it's a sickness and we are addicted. Sorry if it cost you. My buddy called me from the fight and said he never saw anything like it. WTF! I won money because of it, but it can come back to bite me on the tush also. Good nite.

 

[Flipper]

arty:

Meeks probably saved Castillo from obtaining brain damage...

By the way, the words Goosen told Corrales when inserting his mouthpiece were..."go on now and knock him out now."...I am serious.

Give credit to where credit is due...How many times do you watch a unification championship fight in which one guy gets knocked down twice in one round, and gets back up and tears apart the other guy?? Corrales showed he has the heart of a lion.

 

[Flipper]

I'm sorry the actual quote from Goosen to Corrales after the second knockdown was actually "You need to fuckin get inside on him now!!!"

 

[sphincter]

your question should be,"how many times do you see a guy get 20 and then 28 seconds to recover between knockdowns?"

while the other guy lay on the ropes before weeks stopped the fight....the ropes held him up.....

he couldn`t even get a standing 8 count....

expect every fighter in the game...when knocked down....to wait until the count of 9...then spit his mouthpiece out.....hell,i`d tell my guy to spit his mouthpiece into the crowd...

i feel badly for castillo....i`d have felt horribly for corrales if the shoe had been on the other foot...and i`d be bitching just as hard...

i`m not biased on this one...i had both guys inside the distance....

i`d give the money back to have gotten the result correct...

now all the boxing writers...and powers that be....will whitewash this one because it will be perceived as bad for the game.....

it WAS bad for the game...

 

[Flipper]

it was a great fight for boxing...diego was penalized a point for spitting out the mouth piece, and the ropes were not holding up castillo so there is no standing count for him...the ref saved castillo from a lot of health problems...castillo had corrales but then came the corrales left hook from nowhere, and the round changed on a dime...watch the fight again dude and you will see that castillo would have been decapitated if it wasn't for the ref saving his ass...

great fight. both fighters are warriors...

ps-im sure all those low blows by castillo were accidental.

 

[sphincter]

some low blows...some rabbit punches by corrales....who cares...that`s a part of the game....

a ref determining the outcome of a fight...that`s not...or it shouldn`t be....

let me ask this....if weeks gives corrales a 9 count...then wipes the mouthpiece on his shirt....taking 2 seconds....on both knockdowns...do you think that corrales wins this fight.....

obviously not...

he barely made the 9 count on the second knockdown...a count in which weeks was very,very deliberate...

what`s funny about this is that if the shoe were on the other foot,i`d be arguing the same point....wouldn`t change my opinion one iota...

the corrales bettors...and that`s what you are....would be howling at the moon....

 

[boxlocks]

I find it humorous that everyone defending Weeks keeps side-stepping the issue at hand.

The issue is not whether Weeks should have stopped the fight or not. IMO Castillo would have been stopped whether he was given a standing 8 or not.

The issue here is how Weeks handled the mouthpiece situation...period.

Like I said, flipper and every other homer on the net keeps talking about the stoppage. Not one of them will bring up or discuss the mouthpiece bullsh*t and how it completely changed the outcome of this fight.

Flipper should come in here and explain why there is nothing wrong with Weeks giving Corrales 20 seconds to recover from the 1st kd and 25 seconds to recover from the second. But instead he will reply to this by saying..."the ropes weren't holding Castillo up...and Weeks did the right thing by stopping the fight" None of which has anything to do with the real issue here.

Sphincter was absolutely right when he said that Corrales barely made the ten count after the 2nd kd, and had the fight continued from there, Corrales was done...period. But he was given another 10 seconds to put the mouthpiece back in AGAIN and another 5 seconds to take a point.

In that situation, when Corrales spit out the mouthpiece after the 2nd kd, Weeks should have either disqualified him or made him fight without the mouthpiece untill the next lull in action. Instead he let the cheater have another 15 seconds to recover and that is absolute bullsh"t

 

[Flipper]

box,

the reason why i don't go much into the mouthpiece issue was that the ref penalized corrales a point for letting it fall out after he went down the second time...i believe corrales was penalized accordingly...too bad this issue wasn't addressed when freitas did the same exact thing to corrales in his last fight...maybe if it was, then we wouldn't be going on and on about it.

Corrales is a very cognitive guy and outsmarted Castillo in the end and probably won him the fight as a result...

Corrales is also a gamer no matter what the contest may be. I know that first hand about him as you better bring your "A" game with you if ever play him in dominoes.

 

[HiloBoy]

i agree without the mouthpeice time castillo finishes the fight.


i also remember weeks with similar bulls when hopkins beat echoles in the rematch. we all bet the under and with echoles about to be ko'd he starts excessive fouling apparently trying to foul out. hopkins gets thrown down and apparently has a dislocated shoulder and weeks is deciding what to do for the next twenty minutes and finally decides to resume the fight so nothing happens except a boring cluth and grab for the rest of the way and it goes over.

 

[sphincter]

hilo....i didn`t recall that that was weeks involved in that mess...impressed that you recalled weeks working that fiasco


thanks for posting that....appreciated,,

 

[HiloBoy]

sp, the funny thing is i was previously a boxing media member but at that point i was out of the game and a guest of promoter artie pelulo for that fight. the fight was held in a small ballroom at the venitian hotel in vegas the night before vargas trinidad. right after the fight i saw weeks standing alone in the back of the room looking like he had just had a stroke all sweaty and out of it. i remember thinking that i should tell him what a lousy job he did in the fight but since that is not my personality i just remember thinking could this guy really believe he does a good job.

 

[HiloBoy]

THE WBC has backed off its threat to form a committee to investigate the performance of referee Tony Weeks in the dramatic fight between Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo on May 7 in Las Vegas.

Gary Shaw, Corrales' promoter, yesterday said he spoke with the World Boxing Council and was told the outcome of the fight will stand. "I had a meeting with them and they are not going to form a committee or go any further," Shaw said during a luncheon in Manhattan, sponsored by Showtime to honor Corrales.

Corrales won the WBC and WBO lightweight titles with a sensational 10th round knockout over Castillo after being downed twice himself in the same round. A few days later, citing, "many protests from most of the press in Mexico and Latin America, as well as the Federal Boxing Commission," the WBC said it was forming a committee to investigate Weeks.

A replay of the 10th round viewed by The Post showed that an estimated 35 seconds passed between the second knockdown and the time the fight was resumed. During that span, Weeks administered a nine-count, deducted a point from Corrales for spitting out the mouthpiece and pulled Corrales to his corner to get the mouthpiece rinsed and reinserted. Another 35 seconds later, Corrales knocked Castillo senseless on the ropes.

Shaw insisted there was no violation of the current rules, but said he would favor the creation of harsher penalties for fighters who spit out their mouthpieces to buy extra time during knockdowns, a tactic that is sure to increase. As the rules stand, it's up to the referee's discretion whether to deduct a point.

"I think spitting out a mouthpiece should be an automatic two-point deduction," Shaw said. "And I believe that [referees] don't have to put water on a mouthpieces. The reason why they put water on the mouthpiece is that we used to put resin on the mat. We don't use resin anymore. "Another change could be when the referee starts a fight, he could have extra mouthpieces in his pocket," Shaw added. There are a lot of things they could do. I'm not opposed to that. But Diego Corrales didn't break the rules

 

[Flipper]

arty: arty: Just as I thought...Everything was done within the rules, and perhaps the rules just need to be tweaked...

 

[boxlocks]

perhaps the rules just need to be tweaked...

PERHAPS the rules need to be tweaked.....NO

OBVIOUSLY the rules need to be tweaked...YES

 

[hardcorecap]

Guys, no offense, but Castillo was out cold on his feet. Weeks saw that his hands were at his side, not even close to a defensive position, and he made the stoppage. Corrales was very close to being stopped as well, but Weeks saw that he was still alert and wanted to continue without hesitation. Personally, after a fight that close, Weeks prob would have given Castillo the same oppertunity to continue. The one punch knockdowns arent half as dangerous as the repeated shots. Weeks made the right call. Also, I didnt have any money on this fight.

 

[boxlocks]

hardcore

The stoppage is not the issue here

 

[Flipper]

box,


Is this mouthpiece spitting rule new or has it been this way for years?

I think Corrales survives either way and (t)ko's Castillo so no harm and "minimal" (one point deduction) foul.

Both fighters fought their hearts out from the 1st round until the end of the fight...

When Corrales received a few extra seconds so did Castillo.

 

[hardcorecap]

hardcore

The stoppage is not the issue here

The mouth piece being spit out? Come on. he deducted a point. if he didnt knock him out, he prob would have lost because of that. It happens all the time. Freitas was doing it last year against Corrales. Was deducted a point finally if i remember. Many fighters take out their mouthpiece. Corrales was attentive. If he was out of it, would he have been able to come right back and knock out an world class fighter???? Not a chance in hell. He went down from a quick hard shot, got his bell rung and got up. If there is a problem in boxing right now, it is the judging. Dale Brown just got robbed. I mean how many times could Gatti Ward I, II and III been stopped???? Referees let some guys go based on reputation. I bet Castillo would have been given the same oppertunity. Maybe Refs shouldnt do that, but its a judgement call, subject to human error, just like balls and strikes . Guys we just had one of the best fights in history, and we are gonna complain. I think we have all felt robbed a few times betting, but that comes with the territory. Its a chance you take everytime, just like a backdoor tuchdown