I don't understand all of this "George Bush created ISIS" talk. Educate me please

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Take out the word Probably.

I mean, that sure is up for debate. ISIS is a more ruthless subset of Al-Qaeda and most would argue, destroying Al-Qaeda would've produced the same result anywhere. Just liking destroying ISIS now. There will be another and another...
 

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It's pretty important why they came about, what caused the horrid situation in Iraq, and who would have the wisdom to avoid such situations in the future. That's what running for President is about. Jeb has had 4 different positions on it in 4 days, breaking Romney's record for rapid flip flops.
If Hillary didn't back the Iraq invasion, she would have been President for the last 8 years. Even earlier, Kerry probably wins if he made the right decision early on, in 2004. Obama won because he had the wisdom to call it a stupid war early on. Without that, he's still in the Senate.

And you're still missing my point but it's all good. At this point, I'm not going to regress and play the blame game.

Placing the blame game takes the blame off the actual people that deserve blame which are the terrorists.
 

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Know that we know republican decisions have made this world a dangerous killing field....will you be switching party affiliation?

You should have stuck with indecisiveness. I thought you were making progress but I see you’re back to your stupid · foolish · senseless · brainless · mindless · idiotic · liberal self.
 

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Dubya didn't wipe out radical fundamentalists several hundred years ago when fighting the crusades, hence he created ISIS

Furthermore, he's the one that suggested to such groups that they need to start backup squads where members could get more playing time to hone their skills, so they started a JV team


Libtards have nothing if not a powerful imagination. They like to rewrite history and most importantly, they are pathological liars lying about everything to deflect responsibility and to mold the minds of their simple minded flock. They're not even honest about who they are and their own lives has evidenced from Obama to Kerry to Hillary to Brian Williams to Elizabeth Warren to members of this forum.

So when you combine, flock with imagination with rewriting history with pathological liars, you get stuff like Bush created ISIS, you can keep your health insurance, SUV's are responsible for man made global warming and Romney hates women.

It's the essence of their soul
 

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So even at the worst ISIS was not even JV under Bush but have become 4 sports lettermen under Obama. Bill Clinton would add "How do you define "IS IS".
 

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Good thing Obama is cleaning up all this ISIS stuff, huh?

[h=1]Iraq's Anbar in 'total collapse', on brink of falling to Islamic State[/h]
Islamic State militants overran one of the last remaining districts held by government forces in the Iraqi city of Ramadi on Sunday and besieged a key army base on the edge of the western provincial capital, security sources said.
The militants seized most of Ramadi on Friday, planting their black flag on the local government headquarters in the center of the city, but a contingent of Iraqi special forces was holding out in the Malaab neighborhood.
Those forces retreated on Sunday to an area east of the city after suffering heavy casualties, security sources said, bringing Ramadi to the brink of falling to Islamic State.


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Note that Obama did not inherit this situation. He inherited an Iraq that had AQ mostly decimated. Obama made Iraq worse.
 

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Just imagine, as a thought experiment, if someone came on to this site and said “I blame Bill Clinton for 9/11 because he authorized Operation Desert Fox” After all, according to this article Bin Laden was offered “asylum in Iraq, most likely in return for co-operation in launching attacks on US and Saudi targets” So when Clinton bombed Iraq, Bin Laden returned the favor. But of course nobody would say that because Bin Laden and AQ are filth.

Better yet, just imagine if someone blamed President Clinton for the Oklahoma City bombing. After all, Tim McVeigh said very clearly that the bombing was as a result of the Clinton Administration’s actions at Waco. But of course nobody would say that because McVeigh was a pile of garbage.

This is the exact same logic the leftist dipshits are engaging in when they say “Bush created ISIS

Again, leftism isn’t thinking. It is the absence of thinking and slogans.
 

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Note that Obama did not inherit this situation. He inherited an Iraq that had AQ mostly decimated. Obama made Iraq worse.


Why, it's almost as if you're suggesting it wasn't far more important to leave Iraq in time to meet some stupid arbitrary timeline than it was to leave when they were ready to stand on their own.

Not only that, it also seems like you're suggesting dimocraps can't understand how the Stuttering Clusterfuck screwed this up by sending troops back to Iraq after he brought them out. Or maybe they just don't want to.
 

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Why, it's almost as if you're suggesting it wasn't far more important to leave Iraq in time to meet some stupid arbitrary timeline than it was to leave when they were ready to stand on their own.

Not only that, it also seems like you're suggesting dimocraps can't understand how the Stuttering Clusterfuck screwed this up by sending troops back to Iraq after he brought them out. Or maybe they just don't want to.

President Obama’s speech was the most important statement on counterterrorism policy since the 2001 attacks, a momentous turning point in post-9/11 America. For the first time, a president stated clearly and unequivocally that the state of perpetual warfare that began nearly 12 years ago is unsustainable for a democracy and must come to an end in the not-too-distant future.

“Our systematic effort to dismantle terrorist organizations must continue,” Mr. Obama said in the speech at the National Defense University. “But this war, like all wars, must end. That’s what history advises. It’s what our democracy demands.”

That worked out well don’t you think?
 

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“Our systematic effort to dismantle terrorist organizations must continue,” Mr. Obama said in the speech at the National Defense University. “But this war, like all wars, must end. That’s what history advises. It’s what our democracy demands.”

Gotta love the logic.

Same thing as a new parent saying "I am going to give my baby an 18-month timeframe to learn how to walk. If they still can't do it after that, too bad for them...I don't have any more time than that to give."
 

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The Iraqi Army Was Crumbling Long Before Its Collapse, U.S. Officials Say- Eric Schmitt and Michael R. Gordon (New York Times)
The stunning collapse of Iraq's army in the north reflects poor leadership, declining troop morale, broken equipment and a sharp decline in training since the last American advisers left the country in 2011, American military and intelligence officials said Thursday.
Four of Iraq's 14 army divisions virtually abandoned their posts, stripped off their uniforms and fled when confronted by militant groups.
The divisions that collapsed were made up of Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish troops. Other units made up of mainly Shiite troops and stationed closer to Baghdad were believed to be more loyal to the government of Prime Minister Maliki, a Shiite, and would most likely put up greater resistance.
The U.S. spent $25 billion to train and equip Iraq's security forces and provide installations for them.
"This is not about ISIS strength, but the Iraqi security forces' weakness," said a former senior American officer who served in Iraq. "Since the U.S. left in
2011, the training and readiness of the Iraqi security forces has plummeted precipitously."
 

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But... Going by political logic, isn't it Obama who created it, since it happened in his watch?

Or is it still Bush's watch cause Obama can't be blamed for anything?
 

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More Democrats voted against it than voted for it in both chambers. Unfortunately, too many misguided Dems voted for it, and got it to pass, and the R President made the ultimate decision. But if it was strictly on the Dems, it wouldn't have passed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage_of_the_full_resolution
So what you're saying is it was a bi-partisan decision to go into Iraq?

No. He's saying the opposite
 

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