I really can't agree with you, zone. I do appreciate your opinion and I can see where your coming from. However, if a book, xyz, only takes care of their business they would have no problem with my suggestions. By them requiring you to have a 5x time rollover even WITH allowing you to withdraw winnings they would be fine. Why should xyz care if you are scalping your bets against them with another book? As long as they take care of their business, adjust their lines on their action they would be fine. It just comes down to a good book doing good biz with the right talent they would be fine. Throw in good customer service with timely hassle free payouts and they would be on their way to being a top book. Use the bonus whoring to their benefit by requiring the rollover, a 20% bonus with a 5x rollover DOES equal 2 free (-110) bets, nothing more. After the 2 Bonus Bets you need to still place 3 bets at -110. It really is that simple, it just comes down to a book doing good biz and having good people. Thanks for your opinion