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AFLGURU - does this article do anything for your assumptions?:

<CENTER>[SIZE=+1]Beware, The IRS Criminal Investigation Unit Is Now Looking for Gamblers
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[SIZE=+1]By Yolanda-Smulik Roche, E.A. and Roger C. Roche, E.A.[/SIZE]</CENTER>
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The IRS Criminal Investigation unit which has been more or less dormant while they were reinventing themselves in response to the mandate of the Restructuring Act of 1998 and the recommendations of the Webster Report, is now alive and well with a new mission. In the past this unit's main priority was illegal narcotics and money-laundering cases. IRS Criminal Investigation (CI) Chief Mark E. Matthews declared that among the types of cases that might be developed by CI are small business/self-employed fraud cases, abusive trust cases and gaming cases. He further stated that the goal of CI is to put tax cases in context and, thereby, leverage the publicity from them which means they are looking to make examples out of gamblers who are not properly reporting their income. From this we can conclude that in the past the IRS was not that concerned about unreported legal gambling winnings as it was focusing on proceeds from illegal activities, primarily drug dealing. This was probably a facet of our government's war on drugs which in our opinion has been more of a public relations exercise than an effective deterrent to the trafficking in drugs. But with the proliferation of gaming in this county during the nineties, which is continuing in this century, the probability of the IRS finding and prosecuting unreported legal gaming activities has risen to the level that they feel the effort will be fruitful.

We learned of one such case involving a gambler recently while attending the national conference of the National Association of Enrolled Agents. This gambler who was a successful ring game player who was not reporting his gaming winnings, was the focus of an investigation for reasons unknown to us. It may have been the result of a tip received from someone who had a grudge against the this consistent winner. As successful as he was at poker he was inept at laundering his money. In fact, the IRS seized an undisclosed amount of "stashed" cash from safety deposit boxes that he obtained under fictitious names and even found cash stashed in his car. His assertion that he was holding the money for other people could not be substantiated. The IRS placed a lien for the full value of the home in which he was living even though the deed was in the name of his significant other because she could not substantiate where she obtained the money to purchase the house. They also have indicted him for criminal income tax evasion for which he will go to trial in the near future.

You maybe wondering how the IRS has the power to do all this without the normal due process of notifying you of your deficiency with numerous letters before going to the extreme measures seizing cash and property. The Internal Revenue Code gives the IRS the power to immediately issue what is known as a jeopardy assessment if the assessment and collection of the tax would be jeopardized by delay of if the collection of tax would be otherwise jeopardized because the individual has the means to flee the county. The ability to flee the country is assumed if the taxpayer is in physical possession of more that $10,000 in cash or its equivalent if the individual does not claim ownership of the cash or claims that it belongs to another person which cannot be verified. A jeopardy assessment is made at the highest tax rate that is currently in effect which is now 39.6 percent. In the past the IRS has played the jeopardy assessment card fairly loosely. Additionally, due to the fact that they escalated this case to a criminal case they can seize the cash as evidence. One of the lessons here is not to make a bad situation worse by attempting to deny the obvious.

The prospect of this gambler ever getting any of this money back is nil if you consider all the penalties and interest the that could apply in this case as indicated by the penalties listed below. Do not forget that the interest compounds daily, so it does not take that long for you to owe the IRS more than you actually made.

  • Fraudulent failure to file 15% of tax due per month (maximum 75%).
  • Substantial Underpayment of Tax 20% of the amount of the underpayment if the amount of underpayment meets certain criteria, one of which is a minimum understatement of tax of at least $5,000. This penalty can be doubled to 40% if the IRS proves "gross valuation misstatements.
  • Criminal willful failure to file Fine up to $10,000 and prison up to 1 year.
  • Criminal willful failure to pay Fine up to $10,000 and prison up to 1 year.
  • Criminal tax evasion Fine up to $100,000 and prison up to 5 years.
Although his case has yet to be decide in criminal court we do not believe he will emerge unscathed from these proceedings because he has no creditable defense we can think off and the fact that the IRS is planning to leverage these types of cases through the use of publicity. We would hate to see any gambler see hung out to dry so our advise to those of you that are not filing or grossly understating your income to seek professional assistance in "coming in from the cold" and GET LEGAL.
 

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Sorry for these long posts - BUT TRY READING THIS AFLGURU AND OTHERS:

Taxes and Online Gambling, Part I

I'm a poker player. I've been playing competitive poker, including tournaments, for several years, quite successfully. And yes, I claim my winnings on my tax return. I'm also co-author of a poker book.

I've had a natural fascination with gambling and taxes for several years, and that's a primary reason why one of my areas of emphasis is gambling taxes. Several individuals have asked me to give an overview on online gambling and taxes. Given the out-and-out lies and falsehoods that I see on the Internet, I'm going to present a short series on online gambling and taxes.

"If I gamble online, it's overseas, and I don't have to pay tax on it." I see this statement all the time, and it's absolutely false. Under the US Tax Code, all income for US citizens is taxable, whether earned in the US, overseas or on the Internet. Section 61(a) defines gross income as “all income from whatever source derived,” including gambling, unless otherwise provided. McClanahan v. United States, 292 F.2d 630, 631-632 (5th Cir. 1961).

"Internet gambling is illegal, so I don't have to pay taxes on it." Ignoring (for the moment) the legality of Internet gambling, this is also false. The US taxes legal and illegal income. Remember Al Capone? He went to prison not for the murders he committed, but for tax evasion.

"The government has no way of tracking how much I win, so I'm not going to report it, and they'll never find out." If you're not audited for some other reason, the government is not likely to find out. However, if for whatever reason you are audited, and you have unreported income that the government finds out about, you will, at a minimum, pay tax, penalties and interest. If the IRS determines that you willfully evaded taxes, you could even be subject to imprisonment.

"I didn't receive a W-2G, so I don't have to report the gambling income." Another falsehood. Whether you receive paperwork or not, all gambling income is taxable.

"I can net my gambling wins and losses." Some gamblers can net their wins and losses—if they are professional gamblers. Most gamblers, however, must put their gambling income on line 21 (Other Income) and take their losses, up to the amount of their winnings, as an itemized deduction on Schedule A. This deduction is not subject to the 2% AGI limitation.

Finally, "I don't have to claim my online gambling winnings until the money is repatriated into the United States." This is yet another falsehood for gambling income. When you win your wager, you have gambling income, no matter if the bet is in the United States, the United Kingdom, or any other country. This falsehood, though, deserves a complete debunking and that will be the subject of the next installment of this series.
 

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You guys are truley making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Alot of how you are talking about avoiding taxes will get you put in the can.

Just pay your damn taxes, and there is nothing the IRS can do, PERIOD!

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If you small time, say making under 10K a year, just betting for a hobby, I wouldnt bother claiming it. Now, when you start making 6 figures, you best claim something.

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bigbet1234 said:
You guys are truley making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Alot of how you are talking about avoiding taxes will get you put in the can.

Just pay your damn taxes, and there is nothing the IRS can do, PERIOD!

BB

Let me say this again BB:

ONCE AGAIN - I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE WHAT TO DO. I AM NOT TELLING YOU THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING FINES, EVER HAVING ANYTHING AT ALL HAPPEN, OR GOING TO JAIL IF YOU IGNORE YOUR GAMBLING WINNINGS. I AM TELLING YOU WHAT THE LAW STATES - AND THOSE ARE FACTS THAT CANT BE ARGUED.

Your post is contradictory. Yes if you pay your taxes there is nothing the IRS can do - but also if you willfully dont pay your taxes - which seems to be 99% of gamblers - there is a lot the irs can do.<!-- / message -->
 

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Contradictory? Pay your taxes sleep well, dont pay them, take the risk of being caught, then fined, and possible jail time.

Vanzack:

I was not directing my post at you. You advice and comments on the laws are GREAT! Very helpful for someone interested, you touched on every aspect. I was merely stating how everyone got off topic on how to avoid taxes, that right there will get you in trouble.

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Let me say this again BB:

ONCE AGAIN - I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE WHAT TO DO. I AM NOT TELLING YOU THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING FINES, EVER HAVING ANYTHING AT ALL HAPPEN, OR GOING TO JAIL IF YOU IGNORE YOUR GAMBLING WINNINGS. I AM TELLING YOU WHAT THE LAW STATES - AND THOSE ARE FACTS THAT CANT BE ARGUED.

Your post is contradictory. Yes if you pay your taxes there is nothing the IRS can do - but also if you willfully dont pay your taxes - which seems to be 99% of gamblers - there is a lot the irs can do.<!-- / message -->
 

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All of this makes me certain I won't move to the US whilst partaking in this industry ;o)

Over here I don't have to worry about the FBI coming knocking, the IRS doing audits etc.. Gambling winnings are tax-free in the UK to prevent our books moving offshore.
 

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We pay taxes on our earnings from our jobs, then we pool it together privately with other people's and play poker and then it gets taxed again when we win? What a joke. How did past generations let this fascist government get so out of control?
 

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I agree the law is the law. Its almost like speeding. The law is 65 but most people go 70. The chances of going 70 and getting pulled over are small. The chances that the smalltime gambler gets caught is also small. The first problem for me though is I have to start winning then I can worry about the IRS.

I would like to ask one more question-probably silly again. You are betting at an offshore sportsbook and start with 1,000 on Jan 1st. On Dec 31st you have 15000 but have not pulled any of it out of the offshore account. The next year you have a terrible streak and lose it all. Eventhough you have lost all your money, technically you should have to pay taxes during the previous year for winning 14,000 or does it only apply if it goes to you in some way (i.e. in your bank)?
 

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I saw the cross post at covers as well. A lot of this info is available in a book I have called The Gambler's Guide to Taxes: How to Keep More of What You Win by Walter Lewis.

What in the world is this federal stamp that poeple are tlaking about to only pay 2 % of winnings?
If you file recreationally do you have to pay social security tax also ?(the 7.5% or whatever it is)
 

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Recreationally no - you are not subject to the 15% self employment tax

If you file as a professional then YES you are subject to the 15% self employment tax.

I have read and was also advised that the federal stamp tax route is illegal and does not apply. I even called my gambling accountant today to ask about it and was laughed at. This is a stamp for the "house" - like if you run a gambling casino. It is not intended for the player. I dont think I need to draw the line for you - but if you are saying you are the house in a state that doesnt allow houses - or you are an unlicensed house - well you figure that one out.

Apparantly we have one user that is in this thread that according to him he has done it for 20 years. I think that is more of a statement on your chances of getting caught rather than a question of legality. I have no doubt that using a federal tax stamp to pay taxes for income for either a professional gambler or a casual gambler is the wrong application and is similar to deducting your mortgage interest under medical deductions. It might never get caught but it is the incorrect application.
 

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Ok so if I files recreationally do I pay normal social security tax on it?
 

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Ok so if I files recreationally do I pay normal social security tax on it?

NO YOU DONT

You are not subject to the self employment taxes if you file recreationally. They only apply if you file professionally.
 

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what if you play alot but break even, no type of reporting is necessary then is there?
 

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vanzack said:
Guys - I did some research on the Neteller debit card.

Bad news. Debit cards (as opposed to offshore visa or mastercards), even if they are from an overseas bank, are assisted by a local US bank. In netellers case they have a bank located in LA that gets money transferred to it from Neteller in order for you to use it.

BECAUSE YOUR TRANSACTION IS WITH A USA BANK IT IS ALL TRACEABLE BY THE IRS!!

So all of you that think you are hiding transactions by using the Neteller Debit Card you better think again.

I can't see how Neteller Debit Card can be paper trail traceable.
Neteller doesn't report transaction to U.S. goverment.

The debit card is not associate with your bank in any ways. So I can't see how .:icon_conf
 

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vanzack said:
Guys - I did some research on the Neteller debit card.

Bad news. Debit cards (as opposed to offshore visa or mastercards), even if they are from an overseas bank, are assisted by a local US bank. In netellers case they have a bank located in LA that gets money transferred to it from Neteller in order for you to use it.

BECAUSE YOUR TRANSACTION IS WITH A USA BANK IT IS ALL TRACEABLE BY THE IRS!!

So all of you that think you are hiding transactions by using the Neteller Debit Card you better think again.

I can't see how Neteller Debit Card can be paper trail traceable.
Neteller doesn't report transaction to U.S. goverment.

The debit card is not associate with your bank in any ways. So I can't see how .
 

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I dont know if its directly traceable but the IRS can ask you for neteller records and in those records it will say debit card withdrals.
 

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