How did Kobe Bryant’s helicopter crash?

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Because the weather from where they left was good and it wasn’t windy or raining...they probably weren’t worried..it seems like the fog was just really bad in one particular area around the mountains at that time of day and that’s why the pilot got disoriented. I think the pilot thinking IFR wasn’t even an option with how experienced he was. But I think this particular area was just very very bad and any pilot would’ve been lost in this shit. He was flying at a low altitude in order to see the ground and in order to stay away from the clouds. As soon as he heard he needed to get altitude in order to be followed on the radar by ATC is when he ascended in I believe a bad part of the cloud/fog and as it said in the article....you can feel like you are going right and leaning right when you aren’t. So maybe that’s why he banked a left and then tried to descend to get clear vision. And at that time it was probably too late to avoid the hill. I don’t think he was trying to actually the clear the hill. He was lost. It happened so quickly that it wasn’t a case of him trying to ascend up. They had flying weather advisories probably for that specific reason near those mountains. But I don’t think anyone is in the mood to play the I told you so game right now. It’s a devastating tragedy if you add in his daughter too it’s hard to believe that this shit actually happened. I started watching basketball in about 95-96. I grew up on Kobe. But, I’m more upset about the world losing someone who was going to be just as successful and impactful off the court as he was on the court. And I think the world has been robbed real talk. I got a Super Bowl to cap and this shit fucking happens
there was coastal fog everywhere in socal, torrey pines was delayed in sandiego because of fog.
 

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Spacial disorientation certainly played a role I'd have to imagine. This doesn't happen with commercial airlines etc. but small fixed wing, helos or fighter aircraft pilots just flat out get disoriented if they can't see the landscape, it's dark, bad weather etc.

If you can't see, that has to be a very lonely feeling.

My question is this. If the pilot of this helo couldn't see, why not just pull straight up to 4,000 feet to get out of the cloud cover? I guess it isn't that easy.
 

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Bottom line, pilot fucked up. Fog, he didn’t want to look weak radioing for help. He should have pulled up until he clears the fog. Pilot error, can happen any day, it’s sad. I’d never fly in a helicopter before, not I sure as shot won’t.

He radioed in multiple times...
 

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Spacial disorientation certainly played a role I'd have to imagine. This doesn't happen with commercial airlines etc. but small fixed wing, helos or fighter aircraft pilots just flat out get disoriented if they can't see the landscape, it's dark, bad weather etc.

If you can't see, that has to be a very lonely feeling.

My question is this. If the pilot of this helo couldn't see, why not just pull straight up to 4,000 feet to get out of the cloud cover? I guess it isn't that easy.

When me and my uncle are flying in the small Piper or our racing hot air balloon, it’s definitely a different feeling in the cloud cover, especially in the balloon. I love helicopters, but they’re definitely the most dangerous aircraft out there. Glad I don’t have the money for one, sometimes...

My favorite thing to fly has become the hot air balloon, but false lift and a few other things will create a nightmare that even the best pilot has zero chance at getting out of the situation...
 

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Spacial disorientation certainly played a role I'd have to imagine. This doesn't happen with commercial airlines etc. but small fixed wing, helos or fighter aircraft pilots just flat out get disoriented if they can't see the landscape, it's dark, bad weather etc.

If you can't see, that has to be a very lonely feeling.

My question is this. If the pilot of this helo couldn't see, why not just pull straight up to 4,000 feet to get out of the cloud cover? I guess it isn't that easy.

I think he tried, but had 30 ft more clearance, he’d missed the mountain
 

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I think he tried, but had 30 ft more clearance, he’d missed the mountain

Yes, I think it's real easy to sit back on the couch and question a pilot and what he should've done. I'm not a pilot so I just just sit on the sideline and say nothing.
 
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I think he tried, but had 30 ft more clearance, he’d missed the mountain


nah. That was just one small hill he didn’t see. He wasn’t even trying to clear anything. He was lost.

He may have missed a hill he didn’t see by 20-30 feet....but pulling up on the helicopter would have put him in jeopardy against other hilly terrain that was much higher than the hill he actually hit. They were surrounded by mountains and couldn’t see anything. And he was speeding. First thing he should have done was slow down. Like the article said, he was aware of the ground, and the terrain ahead of him...what he failed to reckon was the terrain on the sides of him so he turned right into that
 
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Limit was 150. He was going 178. And 170 at the time of impact
 

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And vertigo set in. There was no hope. Sad fo show
that's absolutely huge and I don' think that's said enough. Imagine being in an environment where everything looks the same. No depth perception, no left or right , up or down. Everyhting's unidirectional. I 99% guarantee the vertigo is why the helicopter to a fast decent at a high velocity at the very end.
 

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nah. That was just one small hill he didn’t see. He wasn’t even trying to clear anything. He was lost.

He may have missed a hill he didn’t see by 20-30 feet....but pulling up on the helicopter would have put him in jeopardy against other hilly terrain that was much higher than the hill he actually hit. They were surrounded by mountains and couldn’t see anything. And he was speeding. First thing he should have done was slow down. Like the article said, he was aware of the ground, and the terrain ahead of him...what he failed to reckon was the terrain on the sides of him so he turned right into that
Wish he was able to keep radar and ATC contact. Hell, he could've just ascended straight up and gotten himself out of trouble.
 
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Wish he was able to keep radar and ATC contact. Hell, he could've just ascended straight up and gotten himself out of trouble.


NTSB stated publicly that it wasn’t that simple because he had terrain ahead of him that he wasn’t sure he could clear in time. The media asked if it was true about only not clearing by 20-30 feet. NTSB said yes that was true but there were mountains all around and pulling up wouldn’t have necessary been the best outcome either. That’s the gist of what a lady said in a presser for NTSB.
 

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Wish he was able to keep radar and ATC contact. Hell, he could've just ascended straight up and gotten himself out of trouble.

That’s the thing. He didn’t know “up” when vertigo sets in along with panic
 
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I don’t think you can switch from VFR to IFR in the middle of the flight. I believe it has to be set up before you take off. I don’t think it was ever an option for the pilot based on how long it would take. And they may take you on a route that takes much longer. They say in the article sometimes you’re waiting an hour just to get clearance. And the pilot had just flown this exact route the day before....he was confident he could get there without any problems.
 

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I don’t think you can switch from VFR to IFR in the middle of the flight. I believe it has to be set up before you take off. I don’t think it was ever an option for the pilot based on how long it would take. And they may take you on a route that takes much longer. They say in the article sometimes you’re waiting an hour just to get clearance. And the pilot had just flown this exact route the day before....he was confident he could get there without any problems.

no. But it does take time to get on it AND the helicopter has to be to high enough in the air (for the radar signal to pick it up). He wasnt, he had radioed in; they couldnt help cause he was too low (noted on the tapes). The guy was stuck, and with the fog basically semi blind.

apparently 'scud running' is the term given when pilots try to out race deteriorating conditions
 

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in addition, apparently in order to run on instruments not only do you have to be high enough , you also need to be flying at a minimum speed for auto pilot to work, you cant hover. So, he had to get up and pick up speed.
 

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My previous posts not entirely accurate, my bad, this stuff is fascinating . holly molly, these guys esp., the chap on the right does not hold back . 5:00' , esp., 6:00-8' and 19:30'-23:30......



sure hope good changes on the way for helicopter aviation!!
 

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