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Thanks Chop.
Like I said in the very beginning of the thread.... things are not like they used to be. The "suits" are elliminating any situation where we can ever work hard enough, or know enough to be smarter than them. Therefore you can't make serious bets any more for long and win without being barred. Everything has to be nice and polite and we need to LOSE or the books are not happy. "Recreational" means "LOSER", does it not? I guess I am answering my own questions.
Ever miss the good old days? Everyone does... if they indeed ever experienced real gambling. Which 99% of the people on here never did!
of course most people do, but did you ever hear " You can Never go Back "