thanks guys. the more i look at the shoemaker, the more i think this has to be won from right on the pace- touch of the blues is going to have too much to do and the speed is not likely to back up. i'm going to play special ring, as long as he stays above 3/1- it's tough to ignore frankel- he wins every race in sight. also redattore is a ridiculous 8/1. i'm sure that will come down, but he's the real value right now.