They started it by killing hundreds of Americans and they were relentless in their pursue of killing more Americans. They were lucky that we curtailed our assault on them when we did. In my opinion, we should of made that Country a parking lot. That would of been the appropriate response! They got off lucky.
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<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 5632040" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>Willie99</TD><TD class=alt2>Quote:
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I don't dispute there were those that believed this, and they may be right.
What's missing is the "they were trying to surrender part". Big, big, big difference, don't cha think? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Willie- no need to run right after the appetizer. The main course is always tastier.
Puny rationalizations like "we saved American lives by dropping the bombs" show the extent of the effectiveness of your brainwashing. You'd all make good Manchurian candidates Im sure.:nohead:
Heres a story by a reporter in the 40's when they still believed in the truth named Walter Trohan for the Chicago Tribune who stumbled onto the real story behind the dropping of the bombs and agreed to sit on the story until afterwards. As a loyal American he acceded to the demand to keep a lid on it. After that he went back to being a good reporter and printed this story.
Two days before the late President Roosevelt left the last week in January for the Yalta conference with Prime Minister Churchill and Marshal Stalin he received a Japanese offer identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, Harry S. Truman.
MacArthur Relayed Message to F.D.R.
The Jap offer, based on five separate overtures, was relayed to the White House by Gen. MacArthur in a 40-page communication. The American commander, who had just returned triumphantly to Bataan, urged negotiations on the basis of the Jap overtures.
The offer, as relayed by MacArthur, contemplated abject surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. The suggestion was advanced from the Japanese quarters making the offer that the Emperor become a puppet in the hands of American forces.
Two of the five Jap overtures were made through American channels and three through British channels. All came from responsible Japanese, acting for Emperor Hirohito.
The MacArthur report was not even taken to Yalta. However, it was carefully preserved in the files of the high command and subsequently became the basis of the Truman-Attlee Potsdam declaration calling for surrender of Japan.
This Jap peace bid was known to the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald shortly after the MacArthur comunication reached here. It was not published under the paper’s established policy of complete co-operation with the voluntary censorship code.
It was explained in high official circles that the bid relayed by MacArthur did not constitute an official offer in the same sense as the final offer which was presented through Japanese diplomatic channels at Bern and Stockholm last week for relay to the four major Allied powers.
No negotiations were begun on the basis of the bid, it was said, because it was feared that if any were undertaken the Jap war lords, who were presumed to be ignorant of the feelers, would visit swift punishment on those making the offer.
It was held possible that the war lords might even assassinate the Emperor and announce the son of heaven had fled the earth in a fury of indignation over the peace bid.
The Jap overtures were made on acknowledgment that defeat was inevitable and Japan had to choose the best way out of an unhappy dilemma -- domination of Asia by Russia or by the United States. The unofficial Jap peace brokers said the latter would be preferable by far.
Jap proposals to Gen. MacArthur contemplated:
These terms, which were embodied in the Potsdam declaration did not mention the disposition of the Emperor. Otherwise they were almost identical with the proposals contained in the MacArthur memorandum.
Just before the Japanese surrender the Russian foreign commissar disclosed that the Japs had made peace overtures through Moscow asking that the Soviets mediate the war. These overtures were made in the middle of June through the Russian foreign office and also through a personal letter from Hirohito to Stalin Both overtures were reported to the United States and Britain.
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As you can see the Japs were trying to surrender the whole year of 1945 through all channels available. Stalin declared war on Japan on Aug 8th. They had no planes no ships no oil no weapons and were about as likelly to fight an invasion on two fronts as Saddam's soldiers in the Gulf war.
When are you going to admit you applaud the bombs dropped because you had bloodlust. Just say it. You condoned mass murder to inflict punishment on innocent civilians - women and children to satisfy this bloodlust. You all are murderers after the fact for thinking that. No man of honor would think like that.
May your stay in Hell be as hot as it was for the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do I need to produce any more proof that the Japs had already surrendered before the bombs were dropped. If so let me know because I have more- the truth is out there...:smoker2:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Total Recall
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being the first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>---Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy,
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
I don't dispute there were those that believed this, and they may be right.
What's missing is the "they were trying to surrender part". Big, big, big difference, don't cha think? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Willie- no need to run right after the appetizer. The main course is always tastier.
Puny rationalizations like "we saved American lives by dropping the bombs" show the extent of the effectiveness of your brainwashing. You'd all make good Manchurian candidates Im sure.:nohead:
Heres a story by a reporter in the 40's when they still believed in the truth named Walter Trohan for the Chicago Tribune who stumbled onto the real story behind the dropping of the bombs and agreed to sit on the story until afterwards. As a loyal American he acceded to the demand to keep a lid on it. After that he went back to being a good reporter and printed this story.
Chicago Tribune, August 19,1945
JAPS ASKED PEACE IN JAN. ENVOYS ON WAY -- TOKYO
Roosevelt Ignored M'Arthur Report On Nip Proposals
By Walter Trohan
Release of all censorship restrictions in the United States makes it possible to report that the first Japanese peace bid was relayed to the White House seven months ago.JAPS ASKED PEACE IN JAN. ENVOYS ON WAY -- TOKYO
Roosevelt Ignored M'Arthur Report On Nip Proposals
By Walter Trohan
Two days before the late President Roosevelt left the last week in January for the Yalta conference with Prime Minister Churchill and Marshal Stalin he received a Japanese offer identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, Harry S. Truman.
MacArthur Relayed Message to F.D.R.
The Jap offer, based on five separate overtures, was relayed to the White House by Gen. MacArthur in a 40-page communication. The American commander, who had just returned triumphantly to Bataan, urged negotiations on the basis of the Jap overtures.
The offer, as relayed by MacArthur, contemplated abject surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. The suggestion was advanced from the Japanese quarters making the offer that the Emperor become a puppet in the hands of American forces.
Two of the five Jap overtures were made through American channels and three through British channels. All came from responsible Japanese, acting for Emperor Hirohito.
General's Communication Dismissed
President Roosevelt dismissed the general's communication, which was studded with solemn references to the deity, after a casual reading with the remark, "MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician."
The MacArthur report was not even taken to Yalta. However, it was carefully preserved in the files of the high command and subsequently became the basis of the Truman-Attlee Potsdam declaration calling for surrender of Japan.
This Jap peace bid was known to the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald shortly after the MacArthur comunication reached here. It was not published under the paper’s established policy of complete co-operation with the voluntary censorship code.
Must Explain Delay
Now that peace has been concluded on the basis of the terms MacArthur reported, high administration officials prepared to meet expected congressional demands for explanation of the delay. It was considered certain that from various quarters of Congress charges would be hurled that the delay cost thousands of American lives and casualties, particularly in such costly offensives as Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
It was explained in high official circles that the bid relayed by MacArthur did not constitute an official offer in the same sense as the final offer which was presented through Japanese diplomatic channels at Bern and Stockholm last week for relay to the four major Allied powers.
No negotiations were begun on the basis of the bid, it was said, because it was feared that if any were undertaken the Jap war lords, who were presumed to be ignorant of the feelers, would visit swift punishment on those making the offer.
It was held possible that the war lords might even assassinate the Emperor and announce the son of heaven had fled the earth in a fury of indignation over the peace bid.
Defeat Seen Inevitable
Officials said it was felt by Mr. Roosevelt that the Japs were not ripe for peace, except for a small group, who were powerless to cope with the war lords, and that peace could not come until the Japs had suffered more.
The Jap overtures were made on acknowledgment that defeat was inevitable and Japan had to choose the best way out of an unhappy dilemma -- domination of Asia by Russia or by the United States. The unofficial Jap peace brokers said the latter would be preferable by far.
Jap proposals to Gen. MacArthur contemplated:
1. Full surrender of all Jap forces on sea, in the air, at home, on island possessions and in occupied countries.
2. Surrender of all arms and munitions.
3. Occupation of the Jap homeland and island possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
2. Surrender of all arms and munitions.
3. Occupation of the Jap homeland and island possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
Would Give Up Territory
4. Jap relinquishment from Manchuria, Korea and Formosa as well as all territory seized during the war.
5. Regulation of Jap industry to halt present and future production of implements of war.
6. Turning over of any Japanese the United States might designate as war criminals.
7. Immediate release of all prisoners of war and internees in Japan proper and areas under Japanese control.
After the fall of Germany, the policy of unconditional surrender drew critical fire. In the Senate Senator White (R.) of Maine Capehart (R.) of Indiana took the lead in demanding that precise terms be given Japan and in asking whether peace feelers had not been received from the Nipponese.5. Regulation of Jap industry to halt present and future production of implements of war.
6. Turning over of any Japanese the United States might designate as war criminals.
7. Immediate release of all prisoners of war and internees in Japan proper and areas under Japanese control.
Terms Drafted in July
In July the Tribune reported that a set of terms were being drafted for President Truman to take to Potsdam. Capehart hailed the reported terms on the floor of the Senate as a great contribribution to universal peace.
These terms, which were embodied in the Potsdam declaration did not mention the disposition of the Emperor. Otherwise they were almost identical with the proposals contained in the MacArthur memorandum.
Just before the Japanese surrender the Russian foreign commissar disclosed that the Japs had made peace overtures through Moscow asking that the Soviets mediate the war. These overtures were made in the middle of June through the Russian foreign office and also through a personal letter from Hirohito to Stalin Both overtures were reported to the United States and Britain.
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As you can see the Japs were trying to surrender the whole year of 1945 through all channels available. Stalin declared war on Japan on Aug 8th. They had no planes no ships no oil no weapons and were about as likelly to fight an invasion on two fronts as Saddam's soldiers in the Gulf war.
When are you going to admit you applaud the bombs dropped because you had bloodlust. Just say it. You condoned mass murder to inflict punishment on innocent civilians - women and children to satisfy this bloodlust. You all are murderers after the fact for thinking that. No man of honor would think like that.
May your stay in Hell be as hot as it was for the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do I need to produce any more proof that the Japs had already surrendered before the bombs were dropped. If so let me know because I have more- the truth is out there...:smoker2:
On August 6, 1945, the world dramatically entered the atomic age: without either warning or precedent, an American plane dropped a single nuclear bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima. The explosion utterly destroyed more than four square miles of the city center. About about 90,000 people were killed immediately; another 40,000 were injured, many of whom died in protracted agony from radiation sickness. Three days later, a second atomic strike on the city of Nagasaki killed some 37,000 people and injured another 43,000. Together the two bombs eventually killed an estimated 200,000 Japanese civilians.
Between the two bombings, Soviet Russia joined the United States in war against Japan. Under strong US prodding, Stalin broke his regime's 1941 non-aggression treaty with Tokyo. On the same day that Nagasaki was destroyed, Soviet troops began pouring into Manchuria, overwhelming Japanese forces there. Although Soviet participation did little or nothing to change the military outcome of the war, Moscow benefitted enormously from joining the conflict.
In a broadcast from Tokyo the next day, August 10, the Japanese government announced its readiness to accept the joint American-British "unconditional surrender" declaration of Potsdam, "with the understanding that the said declaration does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler."
A day later came the American reply, which included these words: "From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the State shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers." Finally, on August 14, the Japanese formally accepted the provisions of the Potsdam declaration, and a "cease fire" was announced. On September 2, Japanese envoys signed the instrument of surrender aboard the US battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.
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Boy, how easy it was for them to surrender and announce such to the world, eh?
Especially perplexing is that they didn't announce this to the world until after the second bomb.
I know these little things like thinking something through don't play well in your world TR, you like to rely on the written word of the vast minority that raises 10,000x more questions than it answers while totally ignoring little things like "it's not that difficult to let the world know you want to surrender, not even in 1945".
Spyweb, please tell us again how poor Japan was goaded into starting WWII. Could you please explain when this "goading" occurred? Was it before their military buildup?, during their military buildup?, before they invaded China? before they tried to Annex the Asia Pacific rim? or were their silly willy leaders suckered into attacking American? Did FDR hoodwink the stupid Japanese in the same fashion that Bush hoodwinked Democratic Senators? Is that it?
:lol:
Between the two bombings, Soviet Russia joined the United States in war against Japan. Under strong US prodding, Stalin broke his regime's 1941 non-aggression treaty with Tokyo. On the same day that Nagasaki was destroyed, Soviet troops began pouring into Manchuria, overwhelming Japanese forces there. Although Soviet participation did little or nothing to change the military outcome of the war, Moscow benefitted enormously from joining the conflict.
In a broadcast from Tokyo the next day, August 10, the Japanese government announced its readiness to accept the joint American-British "unconditional surrender" declaration of Potsdam, "with the understanding that the said declaration does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler."
A day later came the American reply, which included these words: "From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the State shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers." Finally, on August 14, the Japanese formally accepted the provisions of the Potsdam declaration, and a "cease fire" was announced. On September 2, Japanese envoys signed the instrument of surrender aboard the US battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.
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Boy, how easy it was for them to surrender and announce such to the world, eh?
Especially perplexing is that they didn't announce this to the world until after the second bomb.
I know these little things like thinking something through don't play well in your world TR, you like to rely on the written word of the vast minority that raises 10,000x more questions than it answers while totally ignoring little things like "it's not that difficult to let the world know you want to surrender, not even in 1945".
Spyweb, please tell us again how poor Japan was goaded into starting WWII. Could you please explain when this "goading" occurred? Was it before their military buildup?, during their military buildup?, before they invaded China? before they tried to Annex the Asia Pacific rim? or were their silly willy leaders suckered into attacking American? Did FDR hoodwink the stupid Japanese in the same fashion that Bush hoodwinked Democratic Senators? Is that it?
:lol:
and for the record, I'm one that thinks the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragedies and should have been avoided if possible. I think both of those events are individually larger than Pearl Harbor. However, millions of civilians died because of Japanese aggression, so it's not difficult to understand why such a decision could be made and why I'm in the minority on this issue. I am not going to knock Truman for a decision that was made under very trying circumstances at very trying times.
However, I'm sick and tired and bored with all the half witted conspiracy theories that leave far more unanswered questions than they think they answer and that tend to be void of any and all common sense and presented without an analytical thought to be found.
Somebody typed it, so it's true, even if it doesn't take much to make it look silly and discredited, you're all fucking sheep. Oh, and did I mention, "I'm brilliance at work".
However, I'm sick and tired and bored with all the half witted conspiracy theories that leave far more unanswered questions than they think they answer and that tend to be void of any and all common sense and presented without an analytical thought to be found.
Somebody typed it, so it's true, even if it doesn't take much to make it look silly and discredited, you're all fucking sheep. Oh, and did I mention, "I'm brilliance at work".
IMO the most telling evaluation of the rightness or wrongness of the bombings is the attitude of the Japanese since then. The overwhelming sentiment over there is that they deserved it. Having 60+ years of development, demographics, studying history with the benefit of hindsight, etc. etc. there is still almost no change on this consensus sentiment. That speaks volumes.
<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 5635778" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>Willie99</TD><TD class=alt2>On August 6, 1945, the world dramatically entered the atomic age: without either warning or precedent, an American plane dropped a single nuclear bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima. The explosion utterly destroyed more than four square miles of the city center. About about 90,000 people were killed immediately; another 40,000 were injured, many of whom died in protracted agony from radiation sickness. Three days later, a second atomic strike on the city of Nagasaki killed some 37,000 people and injured another 43,000. Together the two bombs eventually killed an estimated 200,000 Japanese civilians.
Between the two bombings, Soviet Russia joined the United States in war against Japan. Under strong US prodding, Stalin broke his regime's 1941 non-aggression treaty with Tokyo. On the same day that Nagasaki was destroyed, Soviet troops began pouring into Manchuria, overwhelming Japanese forces there. Although Soviet participation did little or nothing to change the military outcome of the war, Moscow benefitted enormously from joining the conflict.
In a broadcast from Tokyo the next day, August 10, the Japanese government announced its readiness to accept the joint American-British "unconditional surrender" declaration of Potsdam, "with the understanding that the said declaration does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler."
A day later came the American reply, which included these words: "From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the State shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers." Finally, on August 14, the Japanese formally accepted the provisions of the Potsdam declaration, and a "cease fire" was announced. On September 2, Japanese envoys signed the instrument of surrender aboard the US battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.
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Boy, how easy it was for them to surrender and announce such to the world, eh?
Especially perplexing is that they didn't announce this to the world until after the second bomb.
I know these little things like thinking something through don't play well in your world TR, you like to rely on the written word of the vast minority that raises 10,000x more questions than it answers while totally ignoring little things like "it's not that difficult to let the world know you want to surrender, not even in 1945".
Spyweb, please tell us again how poor Japan was goaded into starting WWII. Could you please explain when this "goading" occurred? Was it before their military buildup?, during their military buildup?, before they invaded China? before they tried to Annex the Asia Pacific rim? or were their silly willy leaders suckered into attacking American? Did FDR hoodwink the stupid Japanese in the same fashion that Bush hoodwinked Democratic Senators? Is that it?
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Spy- Willie wont answer your assertion - yet he asks seven questions of you?
What a style huh?
Willie- your reply over this Tribune story is of no substance in as far as it being "easy to surrender even in 1945"- it was as difficult as you never hearing about this until now. Yet it happened. You didnt hear about them trying to surrender because the papers wouldnt print it!!!! Did you even read it? Read the piece again. This wasnt somebody types something - this was a reporter for the Chicago Tribune and also the entire editorial staff all saw the letter. Macarthur was whistle blowing this and made sure it went to the Press. This is the real reason he was dismissed and demoted by Truman. Plus you have McArthur being rebuffed after delivering the promise to surrender right to FDR's face. That get through your skull yet? There is factual evidence- testimonials by the major players and people who knew- generals- presidents like Hoover - and in 1963 the CIA chief at the time Dulles admitted that Japan tried to surrender before Hiroshima. So why is it these FACTS dont play well in your world oh great "deluded? -never!! one? True facts like you so casually dismiss and are as usual numb to the overall picture here of a country having gotten so desparate to surrender to anybody they even resorted to the Russians at the end?:nohead: Come on Gomer you and I both know the truth- "Hey FDR the Japs are on the phone. They say they want to surrender
"Tell thm Im not here right now and call back in a few months please or at least until we drop these two big suprises on you HaHa...":smoker2:
The moneymasters wanted to begin the biggest arms race in the history of the world- ans with Russia the co-winner of WWII thats exactly what we got. why - business was so good that fallout sjelters were being bought by the thousands touted by congressman as necessary to have. They used to tell me to get under my desk at school whenever we heard the air-raid which they did often. I refused saying the power of the bomb which I knew from my fathers work would render the desk useless as protection. So they threatened me. Thats when I discovered where people put their snots when theyre done chewing on them.
uke1:
Between the two bombings, Soviet Russia joined the United States in war against Japan. Under strong US prodding, Stalin broke his regime's 1941 non-aggression treaty with Tokyo. On the same day that Nagasaki was destroyed, Soviet troops began pouring into Manchuria, overwhelming Japanese forces there. Although Soviet participation did little or nothing to change the military outcome of the war, Moscow benefitted enormously from joining the conflict.
In a broadcast from Tokyo the next day, August 10, the Japanese government announced its readiness to accept the joint American-British "unconditional surrender" declaration of Potsdam, "with the understanding that the said declaration does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler."
A day later came the American reply, which included these words: "From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the State shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers." Finally, on August 14, the Japanese formally accepted the provisions of the Potsdam declaration, and a "cease fire" was announced. On September 2, Japanese envoys signed the instrument of surrender aboard the US battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.
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Boy, how easy it was for them to surrender and announce such to the world, eh?
Especially perplexing is that they didn't announce this to the world until after the second bomb.
I know these little things like thinking something through don't play well in your world TR, you like to rely on the written word of the vast minority that raises 10,000x more questions than it answers while totally ignoring little things like "it's not that difficult to let the world know you want to surrender, not even in 1945".
Spyweb, please tell us again how poor Japan was goaded into starting WWII. Could you please explain when this "goading" occurred? Was it before their military buildup?, during their military buildup?, before they invaded China? before they tried to Annex the Asia Pacific rim? or were their silly willy leaders suckered into attacking American? Did FDR hoodwink the stupid Japanese in the same fashion that Bush hoodwinked Democratic Senators? Is that it?
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Spy- Willie wont answer your assertion - yet he asks seven questions of you?
What a style huh?
Willie- your reply over this Tribune story is of no substance in as far as it being "easy to surrender even in 1945"- it was as difficult as you never hearing about this until now. Yet it happened. You didnt hear about them trying to surrender because the papers wouldnt print it!!!! Did you even read it? Read the piece again. This wasnt somebody types something - this was a reporter for the Chicago Tribune and also the entire editorial staff all saw the letter. Macarthur was whistle blowing this and made sure it went to the Press. This is the real reason he was dismissed and demoted by Truman. Plus you have McArthur being rebuffed after delivering the promise to surrender right to FDR's face. That get through your skull yet? There is factual evidence- testimonials by the major players and people who knew- generals- presidents like Hoover - and in 1963 the CIA chief at the time Dulles admitted that Japan tried to surrender before Hiroshima. So why is it these FACTS dont play well in your world oh great "deluded? -never!! one? True facts like you so casually dismiss and are as usual numb to the overall picture here of a country having gotten so desparate to surrender to anybody they even resorted to the Russians at the end?:nohead: Come on Gomer you and I both know the truth- "Hey FDR the Japs are on the phone. They say they want to surrender
"Tell thm Im not here right now and call back in a few months please or at least until we drop these two big suprises on you HaHa...":smoker2:
The moneymasters wanted to begin the biggest arms race in the history of the world- ans with Russia the co-winner of WWII thats exactly what we got. why - business was so good that fallout sjelters were being bought by the thousands touted by congressman as necessary to have. They used to tell me to get under my desk at school whenever we heard the air-raid which they did often. I refused saying the power of the bomb which I knew from my fathers work would render the desk useless as protection. So they threatened me. Thats when I discovered where people put their snots when theyre done chewing on them.
uke1:
Most of the american population is now smart enough to realize the government isn't being transparent with the people. They need to tap all of our phones, and spy on everyone because of "Al Qaeda"...
Meanwhile, the border are wide open, border agents are routinely imprisoned for apprehending drug smugglers/potential "terrorists" and illegal aliens are literally above the law....
2+2=5.
hno:
Most of the american population is now smart enough to realize the government isn't being transparent with the people. They need to tap all of our phones, and spy on everyone because of "Al Qaeda"...
Meanwhile, the border are wide open, border agents are routinely imprisoned for apprehending drug smugglers/potential "terrorists" and illegal aliens are literally above the law....
2+2=5.
Yup, all our phones are tapped, and we're all being spied on by
the US government. Every one of us. It's the big bad US
government that is causing all the evil in the world.
ucking:
