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The funny thing is why people said "No" yesterday...

The liberals rejected the plan because they wanted more handouts to go to Acorn, and low income people to pay off their mortgages.

The fiscally conservative republicans thought the government is TOO involved in our lives etc. Very different ends, but we see people on both ends of the spectrum rejecting the bailout for different reasons.
 

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And we also saw pretty much a bipartisan rejection by dems and repubs in hotly contested races in a month. They know that this bill is wildly unpopular and they don't want to piss off voters. Their #1 job is to look out for themselves and get reelected.
 

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a twain quote sums up warren well

All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure.

Mark Twain, Letter to Mrs Foote, Dec. 2, 1887

also this quote is also fitting for the current times......

A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain.

Mark Twain

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obviously the reasons the bill was rejected wasn't for my reasons....other than a few votes from ron paul who is saying nay regardless
 

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what about it

turkey day all about a day to go kill some indians

and....?

well they did sit down and eat once....that much is true

that part was about the harvest and individual initiative

but after the original

they had many thanksgiving massacres along the way
 

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When the Pilgrams first come over, they were a religious group... they believed in sharing. They were basically living in communism. They suffered for years and years, with famine.

Then one day, they decided that each person got to reap what they sewed, and keep their own harvest... what a brilliant idea... capitalism. Not only did nobody starve, but they had a FEAST that we now call Thanksgiving. They didn't have famines again.

Which is more likely ?

A) Religious Pilgrams switch from communism to capitalism... never starve again...
B) Lightfoot switchfoot, kimosabe indian teaches Pilgrams how to plant.... As if they were producing NOTHING, and then he taught them how to plant and they produced SOMETHING. If they weren't able to produce anything, they all would have starved off initially.


For better storytelling, I am sure you can google " Thanksgiving" and "Property rights" for much better details. It is just another story about capitalism buried so they can teach little kids about "sharing" and "Naitive Americans" when in reality too much sharing got them into that mess. Honestly, take a peek. You are a freedom lover.
 

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yeah i already found that part didn't ever run across that aspect of it...the first meeting is so storybook and full of fluff.....

but we also gave um smallpox and had thanksgiving slaughters after our original first meeting :)
 

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Thanksgiving is a celebration that capitalism created... ( next to failed communism)

Communism = starvation
Capitalism = so much damn food they brought over the Engines to eat.
 

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"7". - If you actually READ what the proposal is, you will quickly find out that it is an "investment" and not a "hand out" or "bail out". You don't need to be part of the secret club, you just need to know how to read... and do it.

I work in financial markets and the public's ignorance is disguisting. It isn't so much that you need a PHD to understand it all, you have to spend the 5 minutues to understand the deal.

The government is making a trade, much like you would trade cash for a stock. You put your 10,000 bucks into ETrade, and trade cash for Microsoft stock.

The government is trading the financial institutions CASH for distressed financial instruments. The reason why they can't sell them is because there is no market. The reason there is no market is because demand is down. The reason demand is down is because everybody is trying to deleverage at the same time. The reason everybody is trying to deleverage at the same time is because of capital requirements and ratio's.

The banking industry is actually heavily regulated. One of my friends at work used to do just that. He would travel across the country and audit banks.

The problem isn't that these instruments are worthless... they are far from it... the problem is that the potential buyers of these are other banks and hedge funds and they have no money.

It isn't that they don't have money, it is that they have to meet regulations, and the reason why they are having trouble with that is because they are seeing assets depreciate... It is making the whole thing spiral down... assets are deprciating... making them need more money... making assets depreciate further.

Look at Lehman... The CEO didn't want to see their distressed financial products because he said they were "undervalued". He didn't want to take heavy losses, but in the end it costed him big time... the 100 something year firm.

The governmen is not buying trash. These financial instruments are backed by housing. So far were are at ~ a 2% forclosure rate... A lot of subprime mortgages already have gone belly up... people are trying to stop wasting money...

These financial products the government is buying DO HAVE value. Warren Buffet bets the government WILL MAKE MONEY, and that is even expecting the government to not run the program smoothly ( they never do). Traders are expecting to reap 15-20% in this distressed market and even if the government made ANY positive returns it would be worthwhile... even if they broke even...

It would keep people in jobs, corporations paying taxes, citizens paying taxes, citizens spending money etc.

It is not a god damn bailout.

what makes you think I didnt read it?
 

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Lucky #7, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the 99% of people that didn't read it or can't understand it because they were busy studying South Asian pacific tribal cultures in college.
 

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C-gold, Keep on man. I totally agree with your view of our Country.


There are about 5% of people that VOTE that way. In reality, there are probably more of us, but the people that think like us don't promote the ideas very well. Plus we have liberal public schools teaching liberal ideals... they don't teach much of anything, but they sure as shit focus more on killing Indians, slavery, harriet tubman and the underground railroad more than they focus on George Washington Thomas Jefferson and freedom.

The history of America is a positive one... what they teach kids in grade school is not.

I still to this day remember 2nd grade, we had a water faucet in the back of the classroom to wash our hands with. One of the kids was running the faucet and wasting water, and the teacher told us not to do that, because one day when WE are adults we will run out of water...

2nd grade C-Gold challenged her on that. " How come the world is 3/4ths covered by water but we will run out of it, that isn't true". Little C-Gold might not have known or cared about the difference between salt water and freshwater, and the recycling of water, but he knew that crap the teachers taught wasn't true.
 

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And your ass is a big as most holes in the ground. Whistle butt.


Fair enough, you are right. My ass is huge... the size of most holes in the ground....

But dummy doesn't know the difference between his ass, and a hole in the ground.

Me: Big butt
Him: Dummy who knows nothing.

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Looks like all kinds of other crap is being thrown into the housing bill at the last minute...

- Raising the FDIC limit to 250k
- Alternative energy subsidies
- Lower taxes ( not sure for whom
- Acorn ?
 

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