Has the Rx considered pulling Royal?

[Buzzsaw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You're right I won't be adding to it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Why not Mr. Player Advocate?

The title of the thread is Has the Rx considered pulling Royal?

I'm not going to play your womans argueing game Pat. Start another thread if you want a new subject. We can make this a 2000 post thread for all I care.

 

[Buzzsaw]

See Pat, you can't stay on the subject when it gets hot. You try to change the subject...aint working is it buddy.

I'm still waiting on your take on this thread
Has the Rx considered pulling Royal?

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Oh and knock off the "we used to team up on them" line. I never got a quarter until a month ago and it was from here. You've been wetting that beak of yours from quite some time.

How about an honest answer on the questions? What are you so ashamed of? It's hell when the Wizard comes out from behind the curtain isn't it? I have no problem with someone making a dollar from the books but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please quit acting like honest Abe here. Or some sort of unbiased outsider doing what he can to save players. You posted this about Royal only here because you are angry with me and/or the Shrink. You know if this was about saving anyone it would be posted in other places. Not to mention from what others say you kicked STIFFEDBYCRIS under the bus over a dinner with the owner of the book who stiffed him. The only question is why, it is admitted you and him dined and "discussed" the issue. I wear loose coats on those nights Buzz....

I always wondered why someone I considered a friend of mine started bashing me for being a sell out. I really thought like me he was paying his own way on his site. Admittedly his site was 100X more than mine but I really never did take a dime from a sportsbook. Yet he has had a fit since I started here, how I became a sell-out and he was on his own. I was dumb enough to believe what he has on his first page. It's the old story when your spouse gets suspicious of you fooling around hire the private investigator. If you read what people write it usually gives them away. Most of the time they are most suspicious of what they have actually done. LOL. No shame in getting paid off Buzz quit trying to hide it, I still like you man.

 

[Buzzsaw]

Because Pat look at you!

This thread is about Royal. Not me, you or world hunger. I will gladly talk about anything, anytime but not in the ROYAL thread!

IF YOU DON"T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ROYAL THEN FINE. Just don't come in the Has the Rx considered pulling Royal? thread.

Is that really so difficult to understand my good buddy?

 

[krackman]

I am out of there now but they did pay me in full. I will be back for football if everything is ok. When I was in Curacau last year Royal was the most impressive book I seen. There office was immaculate and the most modern of any I have ever been in. If they were to go under my only thinking would have to be they were way over there head and way ahead of there time without the funds to survive.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

I'm sorry Buzz, even though it is apparent their is an agenda involved I will answer because I think it was an appropriate question. Just looks revealing to me why it is only here. If the reason you are posting this is because you are VERY concerned about players I would suggest being concerned about everyone and not only running here with it. Yes I know you have an ax to grind but not everyone will realize it.

Not sure what I would do in this case Buzz if it was my call but would probably leave them up. I don't have any off shore contacts to speak of, only know what I read. I admit I am happy Ken has printed a warning to be careful in this situation. I think with most following the developments there is plenty of information for people to make an informed decision. Being here a month I think Shrink, Major and the others are making the right call. From what I have seen most books that are going under will simply disappear. There is no steps being played out like this, guys are loading up their airport money and hauling ass. These people seem to be trying to do what is the right thing. I believe even you said these people have plenty of money. So given that and the fact Spiro obviously recognizes there is lots of value in Royal I don't see anything wrong with leaving them up with a general warning being issued. We don't have crystal balls and can't pull advertisers over any sort of development. Having said that if I have any say in the matter the first no pay or slow pay situation we hear about they will be down. I don't think this is unreasonable at all.

 

[Buzzsaw]

Thank you Pat, I appreciate your opinion.

And yes, I'm on the record as saying I think that Royal will make it and that there will be no no-pays.

I told Shrink that this is a good and legitimate debate we should pick up after the Royal situation. I mean certainly there has to be some better trigger than the 1st slow pay or else we learned nothing from the NAB's.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

I think you're right. I agree it can be too late when the slow pays start. Very tough to make the right call before that though. You hear so much that if you react every time we hear something we wouldn't be here today. Yet if you miss one that does go down it is even worse IMO. I would love to hear some constructive debate on proper ways to handle situations like this. Glad Royal still has your confidence. Thanks for bringing this topic up.

BTW hope there are no hard feelings. I respect your efforts and you being around makes everyone do their jobs better. And though I disagree with you I can also see why you feel the way you do. One day if you ever asked Ken if we argued and he said "everyday" maybe you will understand more. Maybe not. Either way I will never sit quietly and let anyone do the wrong thing without me speaking up. I unknowingly screwed some people on the NAB thing long before I worked here and haven't forgiven myself yet....

 

[Buzzsaw]

One more note on Royal: Despite what Sting says about them I have offered that their Dutch owners are strong. They were the pioneers in the the 900 business and were rich well before a lot of the posters here were born.

I have been advocating that they come out strong with a plan of action. We (the players) want to see competeing books doing transfers again, we want to know there is an end to the Olympic situation and we want to see Royals GM and shareholders pound the desk and say they will do whatever it takes.

I for one will admit I was very dissapointed when Scotty left. Maybe I have been too vocal but the Dutch have not stepped up and siezed the void. Was the honeymoon with the Dutch too short? Someone said today to Give us a chance.

Well OK... (better be a dinner in there somewhere

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