Guru's Golden Picks: AFL Week 4

Search

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
This is a precursor... Lines are trickling out slowly... Here's my recap for last week.

Sides Record: 6-5 (+4.73 units)
Totals Record: 9-3 (+12.31 units)
Parlays: 1-2 (+0.55 units)
2nd half: 2-3 (-1.87 units)
Teasers: 0-1 (-3 units)
Props: 0-1 (-1 unit)

Composite Record

YTD: 18-15
Net: +11.72 units

Recap for the week....

Record: 6-6
Net: -0.89 units
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Don't like the first game posted at all... New Orleans is -6.5, o/u is 105... Tampa got OWNED last year in New Orleans.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Wow, Pinnacle, you screwed this up BIG TIME... Orlando for a split second was a pick 'em and so was Philly... and I pounced both huge. Orlando is now -3 and Philly is -2.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Alright, here we go boys and girls... GREAT card as Vegas opened it.

Orlando (-2) @ Chicago (4 units, -105)
Philadelphia (-2) vs. Dallas (3 units, -105)
Arizona @ New York under 113 (2 units -105)
Orlando @ Chicago under 101.5 (3 units -105)
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
A "just in case this line balloons play"

Nashville vs. Las Vegas over 90.5 (1 unit +115): If the report comes out that Dolezel is gonna play, this line jumps to 95. If not, we're probably losing this unit, but I believe it's worth the scalp chance.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Couple general things about these picks before I go on... Vegas got gunshy after getting burned by overs and traps this week. That being said, a lot of these "trap" teams are at home, and they've adjusted the lines accordingly. That leaves us with some lopsided numbers that my system was throwing a massive green flag at when Orlando opened a pick 'em as did Philly.

Orlando (-2, now -3) @ Chicago (4 units -105): Preds hit the road again after the embarassing loss at Dallas. Here's what you need to know about this game. Raymond Philyaw is likely out for the game, meaning it's Todd Hammel vs. the Preds. This line closes at Preds -8, which is far too many, but it's where it's ending up unless Philyaw plays. Even if he does play, this Chicago team is clearly a shell of its old self, with two pretty bigs, but two pretty bad losses as well. You don't need me ranting about the Preds defense any more than I already do... You know the drill... It's hard to get to 50 on this defense, and it's hard for this offense to score 50... That being said...

Orlando @ Chicago under 101.5 (4 units... added one -105): Possibly the worst set line on the board to be honest with you. Both of these defenses are solid. Is Vegas still looking at this 66-65 Chicago @ Dallas game? I don't understand it at all. I really don't. With Philyaw not playing, it's up to Todd Hammel to get to 40 on the Preds to have ANY chance of reaching this number. I believe this'll close around 93 or so, where it probably should have opened. I had to double take on this number a couple times before pulling the trigger... fortunately, it didn't move when I was done double-taking... currently at 101, obviously still solid there.

Philadelphia (-2) vs. Dallas (3 units -105): Sorry ladies and gents... I got them at a pick 'em and they're now -4.5... 4.5 is a lousy number. I'd say this is okay for a smaller play until 5.5 or 6. This Philly team isn't as good as Vegas still makes them sound, but neither is Dallas... this game simply pisses me off. Tony Graziani is due for a game where he unloads 70 on someone, and Dallas' secondary might be the right answer, as Dallas on the road is 0-1, while 3-0 at the friendly confines of home. Philly's gonna win this, it's just a matter of by how many.

Arizona @ New York under 113 (2 units, -105): A small play on this under because of Shredrick Bonner. No one knows how good he's gonna look coming back. Aaron Garcia can still drop 70 on anyone, though it hasn't happened yet this year. Vegas got gunshy with this number after resetting the highest game 3 times this week. To be honest, 113 is a bit ridiculous any time Arizona is involved. Bonner will shoot it out, but Bonner also knows how to play in tough environments. Take the crowd out of these games... I believe he'll be successful in his return at doing this for awhile... The 2nd half already scares me a bit, but for 2 units, 66-45 is an under game...

Las Vegas @ Nashville over 90.5 (1 unit, +115): As explained before, Clint Dolezel might be back in the lineup this week for the Gladiators. Nashville plays solid defense as does Las Vegas, but with Dolezel back and Leon Murray looking better by the week, not only do I think that Nashville wins this game... as I hoped they were big dogs... guess we're not so fortunate this time... but that they can put 55 on the board for the first time in their young history. Wake up the ghosts of Kats teams past in this one. I think you're going to see Pat Sperdeuto smell blood early with onsiders, which could make the first half very interesting to say the least. Vegas needs a win in the worst way to keep up with... *sigh*.... LA... that still hurts to say... in the west, with the Saberkittens eventually going to turn it on... and since their next game is @ Orlando, I'm very scared... very, very scared, that should Orlando falter in this one that it's 3-3 for us after starting 3-0....

Lines are moving fast again... just heed my advice about the lines and you'll be fine. However, if you want the stats on me, it's 9-2 against the opening line and 7-3-1 against the closing line... so if that's any indication, maybe you should keep betting all these teams... just know that I've got the parameters set on each line.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Trap games of the week...

Georgia (-6.5) @ Austin
New Orleans (-6.5) vs. Tampa
New York (-7) vs. Arizona... but not unless Bonner's definitely playing
Columbus (-6.5) @ Grand Rapids

But watch, the "trapped" teams go 4-0 ATS this week because they're due... not suggested bets to make, but games to NOT bet.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Okay, who just hit Georgia really hard... someone fess up out there... teams just don't go from -6.5 to -10 without someone pounding it...
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Current lines...

Orlando -5 (-110)... real borderline play
Orlando under 95 (-110)... still okay for a couple more points... 101.5 was ludicrous
Nashville over 91 (-105)... stop here...
Philly -6 (-105)... stop
Arizona under 110 (-105)... good to about 105.5 in my eyes for a small play... it's either gonna be around 95 total or 125 total... this line'll be good the whole way for 2 units
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Never mind... now 108 with Arizona under... see what happens as I type?
 

New member
Joined
Feb 3, 2005
Messages
76
Tokens
Thanks Guru

All posts appreciated,... man did the lines change fast. That Chicago Under dropped like a rock. within mins... I have a Q for you,... Your in Florida, I'm in central Calif. What time (your time) do you see the lines come out and then place your wagers ? Dumb Q I know but, have to ask . Thanks much Guru. Sand
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Sand--

The first line dropped at 11:48 EST today, and the last one opened at 11:56 EST.

I won't be home from class until about 12:45 most Tuesdays, which really sucks, but these lines move proportionately to when I post them.
 

New member
Joined
Feb 3, 2005
Messages
3
Tokens
Let's clear something up, shall we? I work in a book in Vegas, these #'s are not made by anyone hear in town. These #'s are made by Pinnalce. Vegas doesnt even go up until Wed or Thurs. I make the arena #'s for my book and I don't go up until Thurs.

THe guys in Vegas are a little sharper than you give us credit for.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Look, I use "Vegas" as a generic term. Calm down buddy... and if it weren't for Pinny, you'd probably screw up the opening lines as well, even if they were on Thursday open. Yeah, you'd have some more info on SOME of the games, but others you wouldn't. And if people keep their mouths shut about their projected lines, everyone opens up the same and everyone gets screwed. Pinny gets so much more action on the AFL because of these opening lines it's not even funny. And because they're a sportsbook, they'll get their money on all these games, even if it means they go back and hedge on a different sportsbook.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
472
Tokens
ArenaDoc -

I thought LVSC did the numbers for Vegas (at least they used to). Are they still doing it?
 

Platinum is bought not earned
Joined
Sep 21, 2003
Messages
949
Tokens
I am still shocked that the lines move as much as they do based on Guru's posts. That is not a knock on you Guru at all, you've done a great job. Just that a handi-capper who is posting for the 1st time this year(again doing a great job) has this much influence already. I'm sure AFL is not that heavily traded so any action will trigger some moves but it is more than I thought it could be. The fact that daringly hangs out here (he consults for Pinnacle on AFL for those who don't know) shows that the books are watching. Hats off to you Guru..
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
Adding: Arizona (+6.5) @ New York (2 units -105): After cramming some numbers around, Arizona really needs this game. A lot of these numbers on offense are skewed, but not the defensive numbers for Arizona. These guys are playing solid football on the defensive end, and it's proven that defensive minded teams against New York have good shots at pulling "upsets." See: Las Vegas a couple weeks back with Rod Robinson at QB. This Arizona team is still fairly solid all-around and will not get blown out if Shrerdrick Bonner plays. Remember, if he plays, it's the same team that a lot of experts thought would compete for the Arena Bowl. New York is a soft team that can throw points on the board... But I think this is a bad spot for an overrated New York team that struggled with Nashville for far too long.
 

You play... to win... the game
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
8,249
Tokens
There's a reason I don't and won't post my system in its entirety. If I were to do that, all of the lines would be right where I predict them to end up every week and I'd be out of a gambling habit... lol...

Anyway, there's obviously too little of a market on the AFL, as Pinny offers up a max of $1000 on these lines at the early stages to NOT get screwed over completely. The Orlando line was screwed up from the start, as it clearly didn't factor in that Todd Hammel will be QBing for Chicago in all likelihood. And to be honest, they have to set some lines at certain points... Take the Tampa/New Orleans game. I was ALL set to drop 5 units on New Orleans at -1 or -1.5, but it wasn't to be. They HAD to set the line that high, though they know when the moneyline comes out that all the money will likely be on Tampa as a percentage play. The fact that points don't matter in the AFL as much as they do in a bunch of other sports, this is probably more of a losing game for the books than some of the others... They know that the people betting this game are for the most part either AFL specialists or coattailers of AFL specialists, especially now that people can watch Nascar instead of the AFL on Sundays and the degenerates out there who bet everything on TV won't have to. Very tough game to set lines for.

--AFLGuru:toast:
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,118,925
Messages
13,561,536
Members
100,708
Latest member
33win70app1
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com