Great News for Criminals: Socialist Brazil Bans Handguns

[Oceans11]

There IS actually correlation:
Especially for those that pretend (and yes. I know you are pretending) that they are really thick and clueless when the going gets tough.
(I'm surprised you missed that Lander. Tch. I'm disappointed with you.)

If we ban all cars, All car deaths fall to zero.
If we ban all guns, All gun deaths fall to zero.

Problems arising from these events:

With guns. None.
with cars. The daily transportation of the entire western world, people and goods.

Hmmm...maybe a teeny desperate smokescreen is being cast into the argument....

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have asked you again and again to explain to me how this mentality works, and you never have, but here it goes again: how do you get around the obvious fact that the only people who will obey ownership prohibitions are those who had no intention to commit a violent crime in the first place?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are putting the cart before the horse.
If your country does not have guns in the first place, the proportion of gun crime you will experience, is nil.

And I have presented it to you.

A UK resident has more chance of being a FUXXING LOTTERY MILLIONAIRE
than a gun death victim.

because: We have gun control.

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Your problem, is the 20 years it will take your society to clear out the millions of guns that are lying around within it.
The other problem is your huge poverty rates, a cesspool that breeds violence. If they don't have guns, they will use pointed sticks.

Not my problem though, my people rejected guns a long time ago.
2 million got handed back after WW2 finished, a documented fact that blew Orwell away.
Orwell studied society from the ground up, he was a down-and-out for years, even though he was a middle class 1930's individual.

I also respect he fact that you live in a different culture, and you have your beliefs, and whatever happens in an RX pissing match is irrelevant.

[This message was edited by eek on January 24, 2004 at 11:24 PM.]

 

[Oceans11]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think you are right on about not owning a gun for yourself because the most dangerous group is not the criminals but the poor souls that can't touch a firearm without hyperventilating. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I leave this one until last.

I, as a gun owner, or a non gun owner, would never say this to anyone, because I take guns seriously.


And one final important note:
I keep seeing it on these goddam American websites.
The word ORWELLIAN.
For God sake stop calling things Orwellian unless you can at least quote something that that great man was involved in, or had beliefs or doubts with.
He was a fuxxing socialist/communist for years, for starters, waiting for the inevitable destruction of capitalism.

I am surprised at the level of communist support in America....
Or is it ignorant stupidity, by a bunch of uneducated fux....

Oh all right, I'm a grumpy git.
But I know shit.

The age of revolution:
1930 to 1949

[This message was edited by eek on January 25, 2004 at 12:05 AM.]

 

[lander]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> There IS actually correlation:
Especially for those that pretend (and yes. I know you are pretending) that they are really thick and clueless when the going gets tough.
(I'm surprised you missed that Lander. Tch. I'm disappointed with you.)

If we ban all cars, All car deaths fall to zero.
If we ban all guns, All gun deaths fall to zero.

Problems arising from these events:

With guns. None.
with cars. The daily transportation of the entire western world, people and goods.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eek,
Although, I've stated that America would be better without guns I also beleive that selectively erradicating the Constitution sets an immesurable amount of unforseen consequences ....

stripping the liberty of gun possession is no different that what the PATRIOT ACT does to other liberties.

Yes, I agree guns are problematic, but willingly sacrificing any rights could be more than problematic - it could be catastrophic.

 

[Oceans11]

I do not envy you.

You are basically saying, that a potentially disasterous and divisive element in written into your constitution. A word. OMG a word.

The word used is 'arms' I presume.
If the word 'drugs' or 'Islamic' was used or 'homosexual', would you have had any problems?

Is it possible that certain words, and terms, are written in the Koran, and oh so curiously, they cannot compromise on these things either.
Just like you.

In a way, you fuxxing deserve each other.

Let the rest of us know, when your culture has moved forwards pls. Thx.

[This message was edited by eek on January 25, 2004 at 01:01 AM.]

 

[lander]

I do not envy you.

You are basically saying, that a potentially disasterous and divisive element in written into your constitution. A word. OMG a word.

The word used is 'arms' I presume.
If the word 'drugs' or 'Islamic' was used or 'homosexual', would you have had any problems?

Eek,
U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment
"A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Unfortunately, our great Constitution does not say that the people have the right to bear homosexuals,
drugs or Islams or it would equally upset me.

While it may not be perfect, it is what we have and is the foundation for our freedoms. Once we selectively sacrifice portions of these freedoms we risk losing the rest that millions have shed their blood to earn and protect.

I do not care if you envy me, but I would expect a sensible man to respect the opinions of others - even in moments of disagreement.

 

[Phaedrus]

eek -- you're a real piece of shit mate. No point in bothering to continue to work on your weak and contradictory arguments; the time would be better spent attempting an autoappendectomy.

One thing for you to consider -- whatever "gun culture" America might have, we have because of England. Failure to recognise and come to grips with the miserable history of your country's domination of the world will be the downfall of the Brits, as in the current situation there is nothing the British government cannot do to its people. Forget the common street thugs; the Downing Street thugs will be the death of you.

And it's nothing less than you deserve.


Phaedrus

 

[Oceans11]

So, you have finished with the pretending to be a thick fuk bit.

And now you move on to the personal insults bit.

Wow. I am impressed.

NEXT.


btw, I'm sure your gun beliefs are perfectly relevant for the universe that you live in.

[This message was edited by eek on January 25, 2004 at 02:11 AM.]

 

[Oceans11]

Lander.

Funny stuff.

Unfortunately, our great Constitution does not say that the people have the right to bear homosexuals,

I'm sure we will survive.
Take care.

[This message was edited by eek on January 25, 2004 at 02:05 AM.]

 

[Phaedrus]

eek

FWIW, sorry I blew off the steam previously. That said this bullshit:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Is it possible that certain words, and terms, are written in the Koran, and oh so curiously, they cannot compromise on these things either.
Just like you.

In a way, you fuxxing deserve each other.

Let the rest of us know, when your culture has moved forwards pls. Thx.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is a bit much. For you to sit there and hurl insult after insult at me, at Americans in general and at other American posters for the simple fact of where they were born, then get uppity over something said back in the heat of the moment, is just childish and stupid.

We might well get along a lot differently in person; I'm just tired of dignifying your ongoing rant-replies to my threads and posts knowing fully well that even when you're wrong, you won't admit it no matter what proof is put forward, and when you're right, you'll never shut up about it. I don't know why you bother to reply to them at all.

On the thread topic, final thought from me:
Britain is a society of sheep; America is a society of wolves. I'd rather be in a situation where one's guard is not easily or wisely let down, than be moseying along with my herd one day and be devoured by something that took me totally by suprise. You've bragged a couple of times about the patriotic, peaceful Britons all turning in the weapons to the state after WWII, which I view as an immensely stupid and efete surrender to the Nanny State. One day, when (maybe if) that same state has rolled its citizens under, you'll think of that surrender a bit differently.


Phaedrus

 

[Oceans11]

America has done incredible things over the last 200 years, and much of it is based on a total belief in your Constitution, and your Patriotism, and your belief in your country.

I like debating/pissing matches, people have their position, and argue it.
I know that the opinions of one dum fuk called eek will change diddly in this universe.

I also know that the US has a far better lifestyle for those with the cash.
Better food.
Better weather.

And most importantly of all, better teeth.

 

[Phaedrus]

Anarchy in the U.K.

Phaedrus