You know, I don't think we can expect this site to be a watchdog and they shouldn't imply that they are. The site is ad based and depends on the books for revenue as we are all aware.
The RX forums offer an enormous amount of useful info and interaction between sports bettors. That's the value here. They should get rid of the "preferred books" and anything that implies that the finances of these books have been checked out by a competent analyst. Take the ad money and post the ads. Period. The illusion that the advertisers are endorsed and solid is a disservice and is more than the site really needs to promise to either the members or the advertisers.
The RX forums offer an enormous amount of useful info and interaction between sports bettors. That's the value here. They should get rid of the "preferred books" and anything that implies that the finances of these books have been checked out by a competent analyst. Take the ad money and post the ads. Period. The illusion that the advertisers are endorsed and solid is a disservice and is more than the site really needs to promise to either the members or the advertisers.
General,
ya that cool of ya.
I guess I was more looking at the hint of patronizing tough shit attitude when some people need back rubs and tissues.
Jazz,
The Rec lists that are not in place solely for their job of ranking books are probably worthless right now. There is unprecedented pressure in CR with alot of other jabs going at books. History and funds to pay ad fees are no longer enough.
Even a statement by owners that if the amount a shop has in posession went below 75% of 2x the players post up they would stop service at that point.... that could atleast set a standard or protocal for when books took extended hits.
ya that cool of ya.
I guess I was more looking at the hint of patronizing tough shit attitude when some people need back rubs and tissues.
Jazz,
The Rec lists that are not in place solely for their job of ranking books are probably worthless right now. There is unprecedented pressure in CR with alot of other jabs going at books. History and funds to pay ad fees are no longer enough.
Even a statement by owners that if the amount a shop has in posession went below 75% of 2x the players post up they would stop service at that point.... that could atleast set a standard or protocal for when books took extended hits.
Agreed, hanover.
Furthermore, all advertising books should be banned from posting bonus offers and other advertising-related posts in the forums, which tacitly lend them approval from the Rx who is certainly in no position whatsoever to either guarantee these books nor police them.
Let them post their ads and stay out of the forums where they could be misconstrued as having support from the Rx, support which of course is meaningless if the book goes down.
Furthermore, all advertising books should be banned from posting bonus offers and other advertising-related posts in the forums, which tacitly lend them approval from the Rx who is certainly in no position whatsoever to either guarantee these books nor police them.
Let them post their ads and stay out of the forums where they could be misconstrued as having support from the Rx, support which of course is meaningless if the book goes down.
It is buyer beware out there, and anyone that trusts this website unconditionally is treading dangerous waters.
Sharpsportsbetting has the right idea regarding advertisors and books. This is from their FAQ:
Does SSB stand behind its advertisers?
No, SSB (*****.com) does not stand behind its advertisers. SSB needs advertising revenues, and offshore sportsbooks seem to be the only businesses wanting to advertise here. We accept ads if the advertiser pays us on time, and do not stand behind them whatsoever. You are taking a risk when you send your money to an offshore sportsbook. You are taking less risk when you send money to sportsbooks that put all customer deposits into escrow accounts at banks. You are taking less risk when you send money to sportsbooks located in England or Australia, because those jurisdictions have better laws controlling bookmaking. You are taking less risk when you send money to a sportsbook that publishes quarterly income statements and balance sheets, provided the business is making a profit and has more tangible assets than liabilities. If you send money to a sportsbook that does not put customer deposits into escrow, then your deposit is a short-term loan to that sportsbook. The book uses your deposit to pay bills and to cover withdrawals by other customers. If you withdraw money, the book will pay you out of new deposits being made by other customers. This system is fine as long as the book is making a profit; but if it is operating at a loss, the business is indistinguishable from a Ponzi scheme. When a Ponzi scheme does not attract enough new deposits to cover withdrawal requests, it implodes, leaving little in the way of assets to distribute to customers.
Sharpsportsbetting has the right idea regarding advertisors and books. This is from their FAQ:
Does SSB stand behind its advertisers?
No, SSB (*****.com) does not stand behind its advertisers. SSB needs advertising revenues, and offshore sportsbooks seem to be the only businesses wanting to advertise here. We accept ads if the advertiser pays us on time, and do not stand behind them whatsoever. You are taking a risk when you send your money to an offshore sportsbook. You are taking less risk when you send money to sportsbooks that put all customer deposits into escrow accounts at banks. You are taking less risk when you send money to sportsbooks located in England or Australia, because those jurisdictions have better laws controlling bookmaking. You are taking less risk when you send money to a sportsbook that publishes quarterly income statements and balance sheets, provided the business is making a profit and has more tangible assets than liabilities. If you send money to a sportsbook that does not put customer deposits into escrow, then your deposit is a short-term loan to that sportsbook. The book uses your deposit to pay bills and to cover withdrawals by other customers. If you withdraw money, the book will pay you out of new deposits being made by other customers. This system is fine as long as the book is making a profit; but if it is operating at a loss, the business is indistinguishable from a Ponzi scheme. When a Ponzi scheme does not attract enough new deposits to cover withdrawal requests, it implodes, leaving little in the way of assets to distribute to customers.
hanover: thanks.
Dante: I'm NOT knocking the MODS!!!! Please understand that!!!
However, I AM knocking the concept here that Rx-recommendations have any real meaning, given that 2 of the books have bitten the dust in the past week and no offer of redemption has emanated from the Rx. Meaning, if the Rx cannot guarantee a book in the event of failure, then all of the good words combined don't add up to 2 pounds of soiled cat litter.
Dante: I'm NOT knocking the MODS!!!! Please understand that!!!
However, I AM knocking the concept here that Rx-recommendations have any real meaning, given that 2 of the books have bitten the dust in the past week and no offer of redemption has emanated from the Rx. Meaning, if the Rx cannot guarantee a book in the event of failure, then all of the good words combined don't add up to 2 pounds of soiled cat litter.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
also The only books I will comment on are the books I personally have funds in and/or experiences with...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dante= 99.9% of the posters know this....and that is a good thing.
also The only books I will comment on are the books I personally have funds in and/or experiences with...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dante= 99.9% of the posters know this....and that is a good thing.
I know Bill and Jazz...
I am just saying that I do not understand why anyone would think a MOD would have ANYTHING to do with what books come here or go or advertise or whatever....I do not want to know how or why all that works.....just like I do not write articles here either nor do I want to....I just mod or try to anyway I do not always do a good job but I try ....
I am just saying that I do not understand why anyone would think a MOD would have ANYTHING to do with what books come here or go or advertise or whatever....I do not want to know how or why all that works.....just like I do not write articles here either nor do I want to....I just mod or try to anyway I do not always do a good job but I try ....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jazz:
hanover: thanks.
Dante: I'm NOT knocking the MODS!!!! Please understand that!!!
However, I AM knocking the concept here that Rx-recommendations have any real meaning, given that 2 of the books have bitten the dust in the past week and no offer of redemption has emanated from the Rx. Meaning, if the Rx cannot guarantee a book in the event of failure, then all of the good words combined don't add up to 2 pounds of soiled cat litter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jazz I agree maybe a trust fund needs to be set up or something for the posters...any ideas you have its great to share...but you have to share them with the proper people that can make those decisions..which im sure read the forums so they should see it....will they do it?? thats another story that I can not control at all
hanover: thanks.
Dante: I'm NOT knocking the MODS!!!! Please understand that!!!
However, I AM knocking the concept here that Rx-recommendations have any real meaning, given that 2 of the books have bitten the dust in the past week and no offer of redemption has emanated from the Rx. Meaning, if the Rx cannot guarantee a book in the event of failure, then all of the good words combined don't add up to 2 pounds of soiled cat litter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jazz I agree maybe a trust fund needs to be set up or something for the posters...any ideas you have its great to share...but you have to share them with the proper people that can make those decisions..which im sure read the forums so they should see it....will they do it?? thats another story that I can not control at all
"Jazz I agree maybe a trust fund needs to be set up or something for the posters...any ideas you have its great to share...but you have to share them with the proper people that can make those decisions..which im sure read the forums so they should see it....will they do it?? thats another story that I can not control at all"
Dante ... sir, the Shrink had ample opportunity to do that before he sold the site - does anyone really think the new owner would do that? Besides, this 'idea' is old as my toe cheese, if the Shrink had wanted to do this he would have done it - he didn't.
There is no story here in that sense - no one at the Rx has or will have any intention of guaranteeing a player's post-up funds at any book advertised here - I'll shit yellow bricks though if that ever happens.
Dante ... sir, the Shrink had ample opportunity to do that before he sold the site - does anyone really think the new owner would do that? Besides, this 'idea' is old as my toe cheese, if the Shrink had wanted to do this he would have done it - he didn't.
There is no story here in that sense - no one at the Rx has or will have any intention of guaranteeing a player's post-up funds at any book advertised here - I'll shit yellow bricks though if that ever happens.
Dante,
Some mods make statements on behalf of the site.
and a seperate comment...
Not to nit pick but when the cable company messes up my phone bill I gotta bitch to who they send to answer the phone. Also as Jazz posted the books use the moderated forum as well.
but this specific situation is only one person's fault and the rest of us need to find the problem with the machine and figure out how we can make it work for everyone. Thats the point of where this thread went.Da machine es boosted!
Some mods make statements on behalf of the site.
and a seperate comment...
Not to nit pick but when the cable company messes up my phone bill I gotta bitch to who they send to answer the phone. Also as Jazz posted the books use the moderated forum as well.
but this specific situation is only one person's fault and the rest of us need to find the problem with the machine and figure out how we can make it work for everyone. Thats the point of where this thread went.Da machine es boosted!
Grand Slam,
Great post.
Dificulty is these sites have to have advertising to exist from the very sportsbooks that they most likely have to critique without having access to truly audited financial data (even if they did, there's no gurantee, witness Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, et. al).
To me, one of the big answers is just like the stock market - diversify and don't put into account more than you can lose.
I know it probably sounds hollow at this point but good luck to all those with funds at Blue Marlin.
Great post.
Dificulty is these sites have to have advertising to exist from the very sportsbooks that they most likely have to critique without having access to truly audited financial data (even if they did, there's no gurantee, witness Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, et. al).
To me, one of the big answers is just like the stock market - diversify and don't put into account more than you can lose.
I know it probably sounds hollow at this point but good luck to all those with funds at Blue Marlin.
