It defence of the tin-foil hats in Washington the tin-foil hats in Moscow tried the same large scale military presence in eastern europe with tanks and troops to convice the locals that their way was the best way.(The only way..)
But like all these tin-foil hat dreamers, their tanks and troops could only temporarily delay the inevitable choices that people make.
But like all these tin-foil hat dreamers, their tanks and troops could only temporarily delay the inevitable choices that people make.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xpanda:
_What people are innocent that allow a psychopath like that to rule in the first place?_
What the fück kind of leap in logic is that statement?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It means that Iraq had this coming.
_What people are innocent that allow a psychopath like that to rule in the first place?_
What the fück kind of leap in logic is that statement?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It means that Iraq had this coming.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by American:
It means that Iraq had this coming.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh dear me.
Never mind.
There's a bunch of like minded towelheads who reckon that America is getting what it deserves.
You eejits can keep one another occupied for at least a couple of decades.
As you sow, so you shall reap.
It means that Iraq had this coming.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh dear me.
Never mind.
There's a bunch of like minded towelheads who reckon that America is getting what it deserves.
You eejits can keep one another occupied for at least a couple of decades.
As you sow, so you shall reap.
Saddam was over there giving the finger to the U.N. for 11 years while he developed his arsenal and tried in a determined manner to get WMD and there was supposed to be no consequences? If thinking that something had to be done about that asshole makes me a horrid person, then yes...I'm your worst nightmare.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by American:
Saddam was over there giving the finger to the U.N. for 11 years while he developed his arsenal and tried in a determined manner to get WMD and there was supposed to be no consequences? If thinking that something had to be done about that asshole makes me a horrid person, then yes...I'm your worst nightmare.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Saying that Saddam deserves to die is quite a bit different than saying that there is no such thing as an innocent Iraqi and that Iraqis deserved to be attacked because Saddam was a psychopath. I am quite certain that the dead children and women had very little to do with Saddam's dismissal of UN resolutions.
Your lack of empathy for anyone not born within your borders is absolutely astounding.
Again, what comes around goes around. Eventually, you'll get yours.
Saddam was over there giving the finger to the U.N. for 11 years while he developed his arsenal and tried in a determined manner to get WMD and there was supposed to be no consequences? If thinking that something had to be done about that asshole makes me a horrid person, then yes...I'm your worst nightmare.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Saying that Saddam deserves to die is quite a bit different than saying that there is no such thing as an innocent Iraqi and that Iraqis deserved to be attacked because Saddam was a psychopath. I am quite certain that the dead children and women had very little to do with Saddam's dismissal of UN resolutions.
Your lack of empathy for anyone not born within your borders is absolutely astounding.
Again, what comes around goes around. Eventually, you'll get yours.
XP,
If you consume any luxuries in your life at all, then you are letting people die. The average starving African can be kept alive and reasonably healthy for $30 a month. For Iraqis the amount cannot be much more. At every moment in time, you have the opportunity to share some of your wealth with these disadvantaged people, mostly children by the way. If we assume that you do not do this and instead choose to occasionally indulge in a luxury item or service, then a rational, objective outside observer can conclude that you don't give a crap about those people.
Of course there is nothing wrong with that. I don't give a crap about them either, nor does just about anyone who posts here. The difference between you and me, though (and guys like American and Patriot), is that I (and they) will come out and say I don't give a crap about them, yet you pretend you do. I see that as problematic. It means your words have little weight. If you want to be taken seriously you need to be sure you can live up to the ideals you are trying to make others follow. That's the way I see it anyway and I would wager most conservatives agree with me.
If you consume any luxuries in your life at all, then you are letting people die. The average starving African can be kept alive and reasonably healthy for $30 a month. For Iraqis the amount cannot be much more. At every moment in time, you have the opportunity to share some of your wealth with these disadvantaged people, mostly children by the way. If we assume that you do not do this and instead choose to occasionally indulge in a luxury item or service, then a rational, objective outside observer can conclude that you don't give a crap about those people.
Of course there is nothing wrong with that. I don't give a crap about them either, nor does just about anyone who posts here. The difference between you and me, though (and guys like American and Patriot), is that I (and they) will come out and say I don't give a crap about them, yet you pretend you do. I see that as problematic. It means your words have little weight. If you want to be taken seriously you need to be sure you can live up to the ideals you are trying to make others follow. That's the way I see it anyway and I would wager most conservatives agree with me.
Darryl: you say you don't give a crap about Iraqis which is, again, far different than saying they deserved what they got because they let Saddam stay in power. American is endorsing their deaths. I find that abominable. Buying a pair of shoes I don't need should not put American and I on the same ethics meter.
Further, you have no basis whatsoever to question my penchant for supporting charitable causes. Because I have not publicised that information here is not cause to presume that none exists.
Further, you have no basis whatsoever to question my penchant for supporting charitable causes. Because I have not publicised that information here is not cause to presume that none exists.
XP,
You are right, the two statements are different. Mine shows less empathy than American's because his referred to the nation as a whole deservedly getting attacked in the game of war. Mine is more personal in that it deals with not giving a crap about the individual people there, including the children. Of the two statements mine should elicit more outrage (by irrational liberal types) IMO.
As for your support of charity, my point was not whether you do or don't -- it was whether you could support MORE than you currently do. Those extra charities (those at the margin in ecospeak) are the deaths you are choosing not to prevent.
You are right, the two statements are different. Mine shows less empathy than American's because his referred to the nation as a whole deservedly getting attacked in the game of war. Mine is more personal in that it deals with not giving a crap about the individual people there, including the children. Of the two statements mine should elicit more outrage (by irrational liberal types) IMO.
As for your support of charity, my point was not whether you do or don't -- it was whether you could support MORE than you currently do. Those extra charities (those at the margin in ecospeak) are the deaths you are choosing not to prevent.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted June 30, 2004 03:26 PM
Patriot, are you totally brainwashed? Allawi is nothing more than a Bush pawn. A puppet if you will. He will say what the Bush administration tells him.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chucky,Oh OK. This from a guy (you) that thinks Michal Moore is a god.Further more anybody could have been reinstated as Pres. and you would have said he is a US puppet.The truth is Allawi wasn't the US is first choice.
Daryl P.Let it be known that I do care about what happens to Iraq,but it is secondary to the protection and the rights of USA.
Benasslick....Did you know?...Saddam H. is responsible for the deaths of more muslims than anyone in the history of the world??That is fact.
Patriot, are you totally brainwashed? Allawi is nothing more than a Bush pawn. A puppet if you will. He will say what the Bush administration tells him.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chucky,Oh OK. This from a guy (you) that thinks Michal Moore is a god.Further more anybody could have been reinstated as Pres. and you would have said he is a US puppet.The truth is Allawi wasn't the US is first choice.
Daryl P.Let it be known that I do care about what happens to Iraq,but it is secondary to the protection and the rights of USA.
Benasslick....Did you know?...Saddam H. is responsible for the deaths of more muslims than anyone in the history of the world??That is fact.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Massmilwaukee:
Hey American't,
They tried to revolt in '91 with the help of Bush Sr, remember? But guess what happened... Bush Sr pulled out and left a few thousand freedom hungry Iraqi's standing with their cock in their hands.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Where were the Canadian girls when all these Iraqi guys had their cocks in their hands ? xpanda ?
Hey American't,
They tried to revolt in '91 with the help of Bush Sr, remember? But guess what happened... Bush Sr pulled out and left a few thousand freedom hungry Iraqi's standing with their cock in their hands.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Where were the Canadian girls when all these Iraqi guys had their cocks in their hands ? xpanda ?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Massmilwaukee:
Hey American't,
They tried to revolt in '91 with the help of Bush Sr, remember? But guess what happened... Bush Sr pulled out and left a few thousand freedom hungry Iraqi's standing with their cock in their hands.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's right. He left the Kurds hung out to dry. That was a bad one. I remember seing the victims of Saddam's chemical weapons.
Hey American't,
They tried to revolt in '91 with the help of Bush Sr, remember? But guess what happened... Bush Sr pulled out and left a few thousand freedom hungry Iraqi's standing with their cock in their hands.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's right. He left the Kurds hung out to dry. That was a bad one. I remember seing the victims of Saddam's chemical weapons.
Xpanda...I don't like seing innocent people die any more than you do. Saddam and his unique style of ruling Iraq forced my people's government to make some difficult decisions. It decided to attack. War sucks, and it's too bad it had to go down like that, but that's the way it happened. When there is war, innocent people die, that's a fact. So then, everytime there is a war, you can go around screaming that innocent people are dying, and you'll be right EVERY time. Innocent people are also dying when there is not war. I guess innocent people are dying all the time. Darryl Parsons makes some great points. So, don't hate me, hate the game. (That was about as original as your "Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity." Did you just hear that for the first time or something?)
Your dreary "innocent people are dying" obviously is your Liberal Over-Simplification Anti-War Slogan (LOSAWS), so good luck with it, I guess.
As for you wishing bad fortune upon me and "you'll get yours" or whatever you said...you can blow it out your *** and right back at you, self-rightious woman. You sit there and misinterpret and misrepresent what I say, try to put words in my mouth (more like cram them in), and then you judge me on that.
[This message was edited by American on July 01, 2004 at 02:48 AM.]
Your dreary "innocent people are dying" obviously is your Liberal Over-Simplification Anti-War Slogan (LOSAWS), so good luck with it, I guess.
As for you wishing bad fortune upon me and "you'll get yours" or whatever you said...you can blow it out your *** and right back at you, self-rightious woman. You sit there and misinterpret and misrepresent what I say, try to put words in my mouth (more like cram them in), and then you judge me on that.
[This message was edited by American on July 01, 2004 at 02:48 AM.]
