Vit, I need your approval badly. You're the last sane guy that will even talk to me normally anymore. The other sane guys realized I'm a fake, phony fraud when I try and call myself a "centrist". I created a whole thread just for you, just so I can hear your views on something I worked really, really seriously on. C'Mon Buddy, Please answer me, pretty please. I'll even give you a free game from the list I give my suckers, err clients. C'Mon Buddy.
You and raise the bar have become mutually exclusive. You even sabotage your own threads. And for chrissakes, stop begging. It's unbecoming a grown....., ummmm nevermind. Hell, I didn't even have to change a word. "Vitterd stop participating in dead end feuds with people that go nowhere and give this a few minutes of your time." Vit's a busy dude, he'll get to it when he can, just get off your knees, please.There is not one other poster who who would see this as seeking Vit's approval. It's actually a challenge to Vit to raise the bar. OTOH the forum unanimously agrees that SPAMMY likes to be awakened in the morning by a cock slap in the face. Limbo lower SPAMMY
So the only solution is all out War with Iran, in which EVERYONE loses, the US, Israel, The Whole Middle East, and the rest of the world? Rather than trying to come to some sort of agreement that keeps Israel and the rest of the world safer from Iran coming up with a nuke, as the P5 +1 is attempting to do??? You negotiate with your enemies. Come to a realistic agreement, that can be enforced as best you can. It's how you prevent wars, and how you end wars.
Luckily The POTUS directs Foreign Policy and when/if the P5+1 comes to an agreement with Iran, it will be ratified, and the World, including Israel, will be a safer place. What the Repuplican Senate tried to do today is a Disgrace, and extremely UnAmerican, and luckily has no teeth.
If there is no agreement, and talks are ceased, it only speeds up Iran's path to the bomb, unmonitored, unchecked, like it was before we stopped the clock with talks. Everyone suffers with that outcome.
I don't want to keep responding with innocuous BS but I just can't help myself
Why all out war. We are talking about the destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities. The sites can be obliterated from the sky. The USA is the only country with deep penetrating bomb capability to do that. It is unlikely that Israel could do it.
Negotiation after negotiation tried but failed in stopping North Korea getting the nukes.
Our enemies often do not have like minds and you cant negotiate. No one could talk Hitler out of military aggression. No one could talk Russia out of annexing Crimea. No one could talk Russia out of the South Ossetia war, or its invasion of Afghanistan or its invasion of Georgia, or its war in Chechnya.
Iran with enriched Uranium is not a safe place, don't fool yourself.
The problem SB is that Iran isn't going just sit there and willingly see their land bombed, and not retaliate, so yes, there will be all out war. And part of their retaliation will be to Bomb Israel, like Iraq did, when we were bombing them. With far more advanced weaponry than Iraq had 20 years ago.
As crazy as Iran is, they are far more a part of the International community then NK. You must negotiate, and get the best, most verifiable agreement possible. With as many nations as possible in the International community part of the verifying. The perfect solution doesn't exist. All we can hope for is the best solution, and it's not war. No one is being fooled.
All out conventional war is preferable to nuclear war. If Iran's nuclear facilities are not destroyed either diplomatically or militarily, then they will develop the bomb. Then Saudi will buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan. Other Arab states will try do do the same purchases. A Arab and Persian world with nuclear weapons is apocalyptic.
Why all out war. We are talking about the destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities. The sites can be obliterated from the sky. The USA is the only country with deep penetrating bomb capability to do that. It is unlikely that Israel could do it.
Negotiation after negotiation tried but failed in stopping North Korea getting the nukes.
Our enemies often do not have like minds and you cant negotiate. No one could talk Hitler out of military aggression. No one could talk Russia out of annexing Crimea. No one could talk Russia out of the South Ossetia war, or its invasion of Afghanistan or its invasion of Georgia, or its war in Chechnya.
Iran with enriched Uranium is not a safe place, don't fool yourself.
Is Vitterd here today?
Is he talking about issues or people, and arguing over whose poll is more valid?
Maybe he's typing in the reply box of this thread at this very moment?
"In fact China and Russia have INCREASED commerce/investment with Iran during its period of sanction."
But Spammy said China and Russia's interest was to prevent Israel from going boom boom from Iran?
Dave wrote:
A Bibi vs. Barry comparison.
Obama smoked Ganja, Netanyahu smoked terrorists.
Just a casual read of Dreams From My Father – and how it was written – show the President of the United States to have been a lazy, boastful, vain, disrespectful, sullen, pot-smoking narcissist who played basketball at the most exclusive private school in Hawaii, got high kicking back on the beach, and repeatedly blew off his book deadline after having spent the huge advance money. His brother, Mark Obama Neh-Des-AND-jo, lived in obscurity and utter poverty in Kenya, utterly ignored and unaided by his brother, The President of the United States of America.
Bibi Netanyahu was described by his teachers as courteous, polite, helpful, responsible, punctual, friendly, disciplined, cheerful, brave, active and obedient. After growing up in Pennsylvania, The Leader of the Free World returned to Israel, joined the IDF as a Special Forces commando, was part of the team that rescued the hostages aboard Sabena flight 571 – during which he was shot in the shoulder – then went back and fought along the Suez Canal in the Yom Kippur war before returning to America to get his degrees from both Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. HIS brother, Yonatan Netanyahu, was the only Israeli commando killed during the rescue of 100 Israeli hostages in the Raid on Entebbe on July 4th, 1976.
Bibi, you know, the chickenshit -- rescues his people when they are held hostage – PERSONALLY rescues them – and stands arm in arm with world leaders against the endless, savage, Islamic murders of Jews and all civilized people.
Barry, goes golfing while hostages are being murdered – PERSONALLY goes golfing – and will not so much say the words “Islamic Terrorists” or “Jews” as our time for chickenshit posturing and preening runs out as fast as the nuclear centrifuges spinning in Iran.
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You wondered:
Seems like a lot of other nations do this tough talk thing and united states is spending time dropping drones everywhere.
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To which I responded:
The US is the leader in the fight against global terror. Is this the point you are asserting?
Let's delve into this Vit, because it's a very interesting topic where you might find us in rare agreement.
In another post I continued:
I'll start without you Vit....
For global terror networks like al Queda and State sponsors of terror the US is the #1 target. Israel is generally the second target. Among the Iranians they definitely are the second target. So we are holding negotiations our congress has already said they will not allow to become law (thank God for some sanity in DC) with crazed people who lie while breathing and who want to kill us all dead.
Obama is part of a MASSIVE US security apparatus that exists with or without and before and after him. IOW we target global jihadis regardless of his say so. The programs are in place. His voice matters but there are many others in the mix.
It's slightly different for Israel. The ideology of the enemy is the same, but the aspirations of the killers not always the same as those who target the US. Palestinians attack Israel out of 'nationalistic' aims. This of course is all inventive poppycock as Palestinians are no different than Egyptians or Jordanians, or other Arabs. The ultimate goal of all jihadi driven groups in the end is world domination.
Israel's fight is different than ours as it is on the front line of the jihad in a far worse neighborhood. And while it is of course unpalatable the US can withstand a large terror attack while Israel might be destroyed by one. Netanyahu and Obama have a common enemy. Bibi grew up with it as Israel has been surrounded by bellicose enemies bent on its destruction since its 1948 rebirth. Obama's much slower on the uptake regarding the realities of the world. He ran his campaign on 'war fatigue' by telling the masses what they wanted to hear. All well and good for him getting elected. But it didn't stop the al Queda terror mindset or the armageddon driven states like Iran from wanting to destroy us.
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I put some effort into this post. I would like your thoughts in at least a few sentences. Yep, I know this is high-level shit here, above the usual food fighting. So let's see what you have. And no mentions of Bush please.
Anyone else, feel free.....