for the auburn cry babies

[mws]

One HUGE hole in your analysis, Sammy:

Auburn has always played a tougher conference schedule than everyone else in the SEC. From 1992 until last year when the SEC changed to one permanent cross-division opponent, Auburn played Florida and Georgia every year, while every other SEC team played at most one of the SEC elite as an annual cross-division opponent. And before that Auburn played Bama, Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia every year (when SEC had five permanent opponents plus one, and later two, rotating opponents). That's 4 of the 5 other elite teams.

Another HUGE hole in your analysis:

Bowling Green was supposed to play Auburn this year but bought out of the contract at the last minute, resulting in the Citadel game. What's more -- Bowling Green got out of the Auburn game in order to play Oklahoma, helping Oklahoma's SOS in the process.

 

[sammythesage]

since this is an ""espn Style" thread, at least get the facts right.

yes bowling green screwed auburn; but it was one of the la. directional schools that was subbed for. Citadel was a replacement for fsu, in a change 3yrs. ago in the making.

Aub. has ducked opps. outside of conference (excluding the 2 usc years) which we saw what happened. They should not be rewarded; plain and simple!!!

look at fla; they play fsu every year and even had miami also a couple of times.

 

[AUSCOTTY]

Actually it was Citadell that took Bowling greens place after BG bought out of the contract so you get your facts staight. AU in the past has played home and home with usc, Maryland, FSU, SYR and frequently played Southern MS. This is the one year they really have s**ty Non-conference schedule. AU has also faced more top 10 teams (at the time they played them) in the last 2 yrs than anybody in the country and won the majority of the games. I am a AU fan but it will be a joke to leave any of these teams out as the all have done all they could so what do you do.......

 

[AUSCOTTY]

And since eveybody want to bash the SEC let's talk about a medicore FL team go to Doak Cambell and Walking on FSU. 5-2 in Bowls last yr another cake walk this yr everybody else just wishes they could compete in the SEC. I mean does the mighty Texas struggling agaisn't a pitifull Arkansas team not say it all. If not for a matt jones fumble texas loses.

 

[GoSooners]

I think the one thing that OU and Auburn have in common that nobody from the Pac 10 or Big 11 seems to ever mention here is that extra game called the "League Championship Game" these two teams have to play every year just to win their respective conferences. As seen by some of the surprises that these games have given us over the years, it's pretty obvious how difficult this game is to win. That's why I have more respect for SEC and Big 12 teams who have come out of their conferences unbeaten than teams who play a regular schedule and just get to sit back and watch the other teams eliminate each other. I wonder how USC would feel if they had to go back and play California in the conference title game at the end of the year. Or Michigan had to go back and play Iowa. I have a feeling you wouldn't see USC in the Orange Bowl or Michigan in the Rose. That's what teams like Auburn and OU have to go through every year. That's why I believe whether it be Auburn or OU, one of those teams are going to be getting a royal :hump: for being left out of the BCS title game.

 

[DanTanna]

I think the one thing that OU and Auburn have in common that nobody from the Pac 10 or Big 11 seems to ever mention here is that extra game called the "League Championship Game" these two teams have to play every year just to win their respective conferences. As seen by some of the surprises that these games have given us over the years, it's pretty obvious how difficult this game is to win. That's why I have more respect for SEC and Big 12 teams who have come out of their conferences unbeaten than teams who play a regular schedule and just get to sit back and watch the other teams eliminate each other. I wonder how USC would feel if they had to go back and play California in the conference title game at the end of the year. Or Michigan had to go back and play Iowa. I have a feeling you wouldn't see USC in the Orange Bowl or Michigan in the Rose. That's what teams like Auburn and OU have to go through every year. That's why I believe whether it be Auburn or OU, one of those teams are going to be getting a royal :hump: for being left out of the BCS title game.

Excellent post. :banger:

 

[SpreadDestroyerr]

I'm a DIE HARD Auburn fan but will call a spade a spade. Either Auburn or Oklahoma loses their Championship game on Sat. End of story!

 

[WCBias]

Sorry GoSooners and DT, but we've already seen that the league championship game doesn't mean squat in influencing who plays in the national championship. In fact, if you are in the Big 12, you don't even have to be good enough to play in the game to play for the national championship (nebraska). Even if you lose in it, no one will hold it against you (oklahoma). I'm not positive but I don't remember the SEC title game ever costing a team a chance to play for the national championship. LSU could have lost last year and still had a chance to play for the national title. If the Pac 10 did have a game, USC and Cal would be in the same division (i.e. Oklahoma/texas) and USC would be playing Oregon State (i.e. Oklahoma/Colorado). Then YOU would ***** about USC not playing the toughest team in the Pac).

Dumb argument so let me turn it around. If the Pac 10 did have a tournament, imagine if USC had lost that game last year. GoSooners, you would have wet your pants had USC still played for the BCS title game over your sooners, even if the sooners were ranked #1 in both polls. And imagine if a team from the Pac 10 who didn't even qualify to play for the Pac 10 championship leapfrogged everyone to play in the title game. Don't you see what I'm getting at? Those things are unimaginable because you think the Pac 10 is weak. Well I think the Big 12 is weaker, at least the past four years. See Oklahoma/LSU, Texas/Washington State, Oregon/Colorado, Nebraska/Miami, USC/Iowa, USC/Auburn, USC/Michigan. All Championship/BCS/or top-tier bowl games, all Pac 10 wins, all Big 12 losses. Oklahoma should have been playing Oregon State for the national championship instead of FSU, the Pac 10 would have won that game too.

Peace out.

Editing post...Oklahoma beat Washington State in the Rose Bowl, sorry I missed one.

 

[GoSooners]

W.C. I'll be the first here to say that it wasn't right that OU and Nebraska made it to the Championship game. But you should know better by implying that could still happen. That's why they changed the BCS rules this year, just for that reason. I don't have any agenda against USC. They've won their share of national titles and have as much tradition as an OU or Alabama. And I respect that. Although not many of the other teams from that conference have many national titles in foorball to count. But if you really paid attention to what I was saying, you would get the gest that everybody should have to go through the same process. If the Big 12 and SEC have championship games, then so should the rest. Or none at all. We all know who was the best in the SEC and the Big 12 this year. But they both still have to play that extra game. That extra game last year could have quite possibly cost OU the national title last year since Jason White got hurt in that game and never was the same the rest of the season.

 

[augolf]

just a thought about the strength of schedule. I think this is overrated for a couple of reasons. One, the strength of schedule should only go to a certain ranking (say 40 or so). How many times has a top team been beat by a team that is 70 in the country. I would have to say next slim to none. With that what is the difference of a top team such OU, AU, and USC playing a 70th ranked team to UL Monroe. Not Much. Both teams are terrible and do not have the athletes to compete with a top team. Just my thoughts on strength of schedule. All three teams deserve a shot and it would be a tragidy for one to be left out.

 

[WCBias]

No one forced the SEC or the Big 12 to have championship games except the conferences themselves, who are in it for the money. Saying everyone else should have to do it because your conferences MADE THE CHOICE to do it is moronic. If it impacts their ability to play in a national championship, then it is your conference that shot themselves in the foot, not the NCAA, or the Pac 10, or the Big 10, or the ACC, or the Big East. Look at the ACC next year...what a stupid move to add a conference championship with teams like Miami, Florida State, V Tech, Virginia, the money they will make from that one game could cost them major $$$$$$$$ in the BCS.

The funny thing is the people that started the BCS were mainly from the SEC and Big 12!!!! I'm sure they were so arrogant in their decision making process that they thought by having a conference champion it will likely ensure these two conferences the two at-large berths. It worked when Colorado beat Nebraska...maybe one of the K-State years too, but it has also backfired, as the Pac 10 has had an at-large berth on at least three occassions and another this year.

And just so you know, the VAST majority of sportswriters are east of the Rockies. Certainly the ones west are biased, but the numbers are much lower than the east.

 

[truelyhandicapping]

One HUGE hole in your analysis, Sammy:

Auburn has always played a tougher conference schedule than everyone else in the SEC. From 1992 until last year when the SEC changed to one permanent cross-division opponent, Auburn played Florida and Georgia every year, while every other SEC team played at most one of the SEC elite as an annual cross-division opponent. And before that Auburn played Bama, Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia every year (when SEC had five permanent opponents plus one, and later two, rotating opponents). That's 4 of the 5 other elite teams.

Another HUGE hole in your analysis:

Bowling Green was supposed to play Auburn this year but bought out of the contract at the last minute, resulting in the Citadel game. What's more -- Bowling Green got out of the Auburn game in order to play Oklahoma, helping Oklahoma's SOS in the process.

debate ends! nice work

 

[FairWarning]

Sick of all the Auburn whining. They might get a little more respect if they played a non-conference schedule worth mentioning. I look at next years schedule and their first 5 games are at home. :WTF:

I do hope you kill Tennessee, however.

 

[GoSooners]

W.C. the Big 12 and SEC were the first conferences to have 12 teams. That's why it started there. Everybody here was screaming playoff game before the extra teams even signed on the dotted line. Sure they are going to make money on that extra game. But so is the MAC conference for their championship game. I supposed their just a bunch of greedy bast...s too. The thing is, greed isn't limited to the South. If the Pac 10 picked up Utah and Boise St. they wouldn't think twice about having a playoff game.:nono5:

 

[sammythesage]

facts straight; and the reason I hate these threads but just had to start it!!!

by the w.c. bias; you the man

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/clubhouse?collegeId=2&sport=ncf

aubie has not played fla/tenn. but 2x's in ten years w/recent and current scheduling it was impossible. However; prior to the last two years; fla did play aub/tenn/ga/lsu ten years straight as well as fsu.

aub. 0-2 against usc
aub.1-1 against the "cuse" awesome powers they were!

and if I got it backwards so what: aub. DID drop fsu off their schedule like a hot potato. They even paid a 4ook penalty for doing so.

if you want to really debate who's pooch is getting screwed; what about tex/cal debate; which should go bcs'ing

anyway's end of debate is correct from the man who posts:
play of the: week,month,year, lifetime, every fricken day, and we all know who this credible poster is!

 

[kermit16]

All these arguments about who should play and who shouldn't play for the Championship is really adding legitimacy to the worthless BCS system. The answer is clear... all 3 of these teams should be in the playoffs. If We tried to decide who should be the National Champion in Baseball or College basketball etc by a vote after the regular season is over... guess what ?

Duke would be declared the National Champion every other year in basketball and the Yankees would be the World Champions every single year. However in almost all sports the Champions have to win it on the field, not in the minds of some computers or coaches or sportswriter. That is why We should not be arguing about which 11-0 team is the most deserving because the answer is childish.... They all 3 should be in Bowls that mean something with the 4 winners playing off for a right to play for the Championship. This BCS is sooooo
stupid it defies common reasoning !

 

[AUSCOTTY]

Sammy can you read truly said AU played FL/GA every yr not TN

 

[AUSCOTTY]

The Big Three

avg score
usc 37-11
okl 36-15
au 33-10

total off rank
usc (15)
okl (8)
au (26)

total def rank
usc (5)
okl (16)
au (4)

record vs top 25
usc 3-0 avg score 31-12
okl 2-0 avg score 27-17
au 3-0 avg score 23-8

road record
usc 5-0 avg score 33-17
okl 4-0 avg score 36-23
au 4-0 33-13

RECORD VS TEAMS W/9WINS
usc 2-0 avg sc 23-15
okl 1-0 avg sc 12-0
au 3-0 avg sc 23-8
(and au has weaker sch could somebody please explain)

wins by 10 points or lesss
usc 3
okl 3
au 2

marquee win
usc cal 23-17 (cal completely domainated the game but lost on the score board)
okl Texas 12-0
au ga 24-6

Who's # 1 .....who Knows ....I think its a shame no matter who is left out...But how can you say AU schedule is so weak?