Feds consider searches of blogs, message boards for terrorism

[random1323]

oooooohhhhhh snap!

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Carnivore was implemented during the Clinton administration with the approval of Attorney General Janet Reno.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

Imagine that. This pile of shit was a walking death blow to anything she came across and civil liberty's were one of her most common victims. And MJ, Bush and his ilk did a fine job of continuing this tradition. An stunning Economic Liberal but an Ultra bible thumping Social Conservative - what a toxic combo.

 

[Willie99]

Run for the Hills you fringe wackos, I'm ratting you out.

Willie the weasel

 

[Mistermj]

MJ, as usual, you completely miss the point.

Carnivore was intended to monitor individual suspects. Even you don't (and cannot) dispute that. So obviously there is a huge qualitative difference between Carnivore and indiscriminate scans of internet communication (if the latter thing is really planned, Barman's first post does not exactly give many details).

If what you mention, MJ, is correct (which might well be although I refuse to take one short, general article of some internet website as proof), it only shows that Carnivore has been abused. This is by no means okay and should have (had) consequences, but it doesn't change the intention of the program.
By your argumentation, giving police free reign to indescriminately use guns against citizens without any reason would be the same as some officers breaking the rules by shooting without proper reasons. I don't know if you are able to grasp the difference, but I trust that most of us are.

Preussen...you are so obtuse it is beyond words.

You never "get it"...and then you troll around these boards all day telling everybody else they don't get it.

Do you realize how silly you look? Post after post?

Whether Carnivore was meant for individuals or not is completely irrelevant.

The point is in the fact that it had no safeguards to prevent snooping on individual citizens or innocents.

The stated purpose of the article about snooping through blogs ect. is that they are used by "Terrorists" and contain information on how to make bombs.

If you can't see the difference in that...guess who the dufus is? hno:

Here I will spell it out for you....because you are way too thick to ever get it yourself.

Carnivore could be used without court order to spy on political enemies and innocent citizens. No safeguards were present to prevent doing so.

Versus...the stated intention of spying on blogs of terrorists...where it is known they are sharing bombmaking information.

And YOU can't see the difference in that. hno:

If fact you call monitoring terrorist bomb making blogs as the "indiscriminate scans of internet communication". :lol:

This is a perfect example of your idiotic crapola.

 

[Preussen]

Preussen...you are so obtuse it is beyond words.

You never "get it"

Well, I guess this must be why you never manage to properly reply to my arguments, having to resort to personal attacks instead. ;-)

you troll around these boards all day

You, of all people, try to tell me that I spend too much time in this forum?

Whether Carnivore was meant for individuals or not is completely irrelevant.

The point is in the fact that it had no safeguards to prevent snooping on individual citizens or innocents.

So you are saying it is completely irrelevant whether a police measure is intended to violate human rights or whether it is legal in itself but could be abused? I'm sorry, but you don't make much sense. But then you rarely do...

The stated purpose of the article about snooping through blogs ect. is that they are used by "Terrorists" and contain information on how to make bombs.

Wrong. If you would, for a change, try to actually read and comprehend the article in question you would realise that the purpose is not to snoop through terrorist blogs and message boards (this would be perfectly fine with me). What may happen here is that "The Homeland Security Department may soon start scouring the Internet to find blogs and message boards that terrorists use to plan attacks in the USA", meaning they'd search all internet content looking for terrorist activities.
This makes the rest of your rant look rather embarrassing, I'm afraid. ;-)

However, in case the search is only conducted on content that's open for everyone then I guess there isn't much to be said against it. For example, I have no problem with it being known what I write in this forum.
However, somehow I find it hard to trust that the Homeland Security Department would really limit themselves to checking only the open internet content.

 

[Mistermj]

Pruessen: However, somehow I find it hard to trust that the Homeland Security Department would really limit themselves to checking only the open internet content.

Thank you for making my point that you are just a German internet troll.

It's NOT your place whether to trust U.S. Homeland Security!
Why should we care what a German thinks about our Homeland Security? :think2:

Who are you to troll around here telling Americans how to think about things that you don't even understand. hno:

The obsession continues...

 

[Preussen]

MJ, I notice you have no reply to my points. As usual.

Btw, I know that you don't like it, but as a free man I'm allowed to have opinions about everything, even about U.S. Homeland Security (and you are, of course, free to ignore my opinions).
Also, seeing that the Homeland Security Department plans to scour the Worldwide Web looking for international terrorists, one could come to the conclusion that this might not be exclusively an issue for American citizens. But I guess this is too much logic for you, it's much easier to call me a troll, right? ;-)