Fathers disappear from households across America

[Willie99]

Cash the Willie 100% wrong/Willie refusinfg to admit he's wrong Exacta yet again. As always, it's a lock. This idiot is now calling SSA's own website a "libtrad news source". He's dead wrong about his figures, as proven, and he's so locked into his bubble, where locally teachers in CT aren't in Social Security that he thinks it's true nationwide. Typical arrogant spouting about somerthing he just doesn't know about. Fool said Governement employees don't particiapte in Social Secutity. Now he's sasying they get more than those who participate in Social Security. Moron, THEY participate in Social Security, and get more because of their own 401K/Thrift Plan, which they contribute to just like those in most private jobs. Postal workers are covereed by Social Security since 1984 just like other Federal workers, but the clueless idiot tries to say they're not, because they're covered by a union????? Willie is just a know nothing Fox News Cliche spouter. I'm shocked someone who claims to be in the tax/financial field can actually be so ignorant about these topics, which even a layman can find accurate info about. That calls into question whether he's even actaully in the field. I guess one can pretend to be anything over the internet, until he stumbles into a field someone else knows a little something about, spouts off about that field and gets exposed as the fraud he is.

do teachers' participate in social security? NOPE
Public school teachers in Connecticut are not covered by Social Security for their public school teaching service. Teachers and school districts make no contributions to the Social Security system for that work and teachers cannot collect benefits based on it. Instead, the state provides teachers with retirement benefits through the state Teachers' Retirement System (TRS).
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0547.htm

are state police government employees? are local police government employees? are firefighters government employees? are employees of state and local governments government employees?
Approximately one-fourth of employees of state and local government do not participate in Social Security. This includes most to substantially all public employees in Alaska, Colorado, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and Ohio.

In addition, approximately two-thirds of public safety officers--firefighters and police officers--do not participate in Social Security. These workers are in the seven states listed above and many other states.
An estimated one-half of public school teachers do not participate in Social Security, including a majority to substantially all in California, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas.
Also, more than one-fourth, but less than one-half of public school teachers in Georgia and Rhode Island also do not participate in Social Security.
Both employers and employees who do not participate in Social Security do not pay the Social Security portion of the FICA tax, (6.2 percent of payroll each). Public pension benefits for non-Social Security-eligible employees usually are higher than those of other public employees, to compensate for the absence of Social Security benefits.
Non-participation in Social Security dates to the origins of the Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program in 1935, when coverage was limited to private sector workers due to constitutional concerns regarding the authority of the federal government to impose taxes on states and political subdivisions (see Section 218 agreements, below). These concerns were addressed in Social Security Amendments of 1950.
http://www.wikipension.com/wiki/Public_employees_and_Social_Security

are US Postal Workers government employees?
The Civil Service Retirement Act, which became effective on August 1, 1920, established a retirement system for certain Federal employees. It was replaced by the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) for Federal employees who first entered covered service on and after January 1, 1987.
The Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) is a defined benefit, contributory retirement system. Employees share in the expense of the annuities to which they become entitled. CSRS covered employees contribute 7, 7 1/2 or 8 percent of pay to CSRS and, while they generally pay no Social Security retirement, survivor and disability (OASDI) tax, they must pay the Medicare tax (currently 1.45 percent of pay). The employing agency matches the employee's CSRS contributions.
http://www.opm.gov/retire/pre/csrs/index.asp

postal employees hired after Jan 1, 1987 are covered by the FERS which was refereed to in a previous post, and includes both SS and private funds and still provides much more than anyone on just SS receives




conclusion? Willie goes yard, yet again. Everything said, every statement made, every fact provided 100% accurate. I knew all this before looking up the above links, I live this stuff. So why are libtards so wrong? how can they be so uninformed? I'm telling you, it's genetic

an uninformed 10 second sound bite crowd that has serious reading comprehension issues, just a lose, lose, lose, lose on so many levels

 

[Willie99]

as for Congress, really?

Congressional pension is a pension made available to members of the United States Congress. Members who participated in the congressional pension system are vested after five (5) years of service. A full pension is available to Members 62 years of age with 5 years of service; 50 years or older with 20 years of service; or 25 years of service at any age. A reduced pension is available depending upon which of several different age/service options is chosen. If Members leave Congress before reaching retirement age, they may leave their contributions behind and receive a deferred pension later.[SUP][1][/SUP] The current pension program, effective January 1987, is under the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS), which covers members and other federal employees whose federal employment began in 1984 or later. This replaces the older Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) for most members of congress and federal employees.Members of Congress voted to extend pension benefits to the legislative branch under the CSRS (formerly limited to the executive branch) in January 1942 under a provision of P.L. 77-411. Congress repealed their pension two months later, due to public outcry in the early months of America's involvement in World War II. It was not until after the war, in 1946, that Congress would be covered under the CSRS with the passage of P.L. 79-601. The justification this time was that a pension would "bring into the legislative service a larger number of younger members with fresh energy and new viewpoints" by encouraging older Members to retire.
The Social Security Amendments of 1983 required all Members of Congress to participate in Social Security beginning January 1, 1984. As Social Security and CSRS benefits sometimes overlapped, Congress called for the development of a new federal employee retirement program to complement Social Security. This new plan was enacted as the Federal Employees' Retirement Act of 1986. This act created the FERS program, under which new Members of Congress are currently covered.
When the FERS program went into effect, all Members elected in 1984 or later were automatically enrolled in the new plan. More senior Members were free to remain under the CSRS or enroll in the new FERS plan.[SUP][2]

[/SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_pension

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they started to participate in social security for cosmetic reasons, because it was too easy to expose them on this issue. They still retain their plan that provides substantially better benefits at a younger age with fewer years of service.

and to suggest this somehow helped "save social security" is fucking retarded. Actually, it's far worse, it's libtarded

carry on my bitch II

 

[The Guesser]

do teachers' participate in social security? NOPE
Public school teachers in Connecticut are not covered by Social Security for their public school teaching service. Teachers and school districts make no contributions to the Social Security system for that work and teachers cannot collect benefits based on it. Instead, the state provides teachers with retirement benefits through the state Teachers' Retirement System (TRS).
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0547.htm

are state police government employees? are local police government employees? are firefighters government employees? are employees of state and local governments government employees?
Approximately one-fourth of employees of state and local government do not participate in Social Security. This includes most to substantially all public employees in Alaska, Colorado, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and Ohio.

In addition, approximately two-thirds of public safety officers--firefighters and police officers--do not participate in Social Security. These workers are in the seven states listed above and many other states.
An estimated one-half of public school teachers do not participate in Social Security, including a majority to substantially all in California, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas.
Also, more than one-fourth, but less than one-half of public school teachers in Georgia and Rhode Island also do not participate in Social Security.
Both employers and employees who do not participate in Social Security do not pay the Social Security portion of the FICA tax, (6.2 percent of payroll each). Public pension benefits for non-Social Security-eligible employees usually are higher than those of other public employees, to compensate for the absence of Social Security benefits.
Non-participation in Social Security dates to the origins of the Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program in 1935, when coverage was limited to private sector workers due to constitutional concerns regarding the authority of the federal government to impose taxes on states and political subdivisions (see Section 218 agreements, below). These concerns were addressed in Social Security Amendments of 1950.
http://www.wikipension.com/wiki/Public_employees_and_Social_Security

are US Postal Workers government employees?
The Civil Service Retirement Act, which became effective on August 1, 1920, established a retirement system for certain Federal employees. It was replaced by the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) for Federal employees who first entered covered service on and after January 1, 1987.
The Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) is a defined benefit, contributory retirement system. Employees share in the expense of the annuities to which they become entitled. CSRS covered employees contribute 7, 7 1/2 or 8 percent of pay to CSRS and, while they generally pay no Social Security retirement, survivor and disability (OASDI) tax, they must pay the Medicare tax (currently 1.45 percent of pay). The employing agency matches the employee's CSRS contributions.
http://www.opm.gov/retire/pre/csrs/index.asp

postal employees hired after Jan 1, 1987 are covered by the FERS which was refereed to in a previous post, and includes both SS and private funds and still provides much more than anyone on just SS receives




conclusion? Willie goes yard, yet again. Everything said, every statement made, every fact provided 100% accurate. I knew all this before looking up the above links, I live this stuff. So why are libtards so wrong? how can they be so uninformed? I'm telling you, it's genetic

an uninformed 10 second sound bite crowd that has serious reading comprehension issues, just a lose, lose, lose, lose on so many levels

This guy is truly delusional. He posts links PROVING he was wrong, and claims they show he's right???? There are only 14 states where teachers aren't covered by SS, as I stated. CT is one of them and this idiot projects that to all 50 states. 1/4 of State and local workers AREN'T Covered by SSA, and this moron thinks that Proves they ALL aren't??? Fool posts a link as I said that Postal workers are covered sincve 1984, and that proves they aren't Covered by SS???? This guy is one of the biggest idiots I've ever encountered on the net, and that encompasses lots of territory. He doesn't even know the rules in his supposed field of expertise? You guys that were ravaging him for months before I came had the right idea. A truly clueless human being. No wonder he's always wrong about everything.

 

[Willie99]

do you think the clueless wonder can show when and where I said "all government" employees? NOPE, just once again showing the comprehension issues libtards are handicapped with

you see, once again, I live this stuff and I do have government employees as clients that participate in social security, but the dimwit thinks he's teaching me something

furthermore, although 67% of public safety officers don't participate in social security, one local town does, and I have about a dozen officers that work there

again, you just ain't game

 

[The Guesser]

social security, love to discuss that

what Republicans want is for everyone to have is what so many libtards enjoy today. That's right, privatization of retirement benefits.

Teachers and government employees, two very large libtard demographics, they do not participate in social security and guess what, their retirement benefits are several times better than those on SSA. Yet these very same people will kick and scream and tell you republicans want to starve the elderly simply because we want everyone to enjoy the benefits they enjoy

another fine example of libtardism, the dumbest most uninformed people on earth

What a maroon. His own statement. No qualifiers of "some", "a few". You can dig yourself out. Just admit you were wrong, you mispoke, you apologize. Ideas that are foreign to an arrogant ass like yourself, but ideas you need to master because you are wrong so often.

 

[vitterd]

What a maroon. His own statement. No qualifiers of "some", "a few". You can dig yourself out. Just admit you were wrong, you mispoke, you apologize. Ideas that are foreign to an arrogant ass like yourself, but ideas you need to master because you are wrong so often.

this thread has become a willie battering......maybe you should take a break willie.....terrible few months bud

 

[festeringZit]

What a maroon. His own statement. No qualifiers of "some", "a few". You can dig yourself out. Just admit you were wrong, you mispoke, you apologize. Ideas that are foreign to an arrogant ass like yourself, but ideas you need to master because you are wrong so often.

tr.v. ma·rooned, ma·roon·ing, ma·roons. 1. To put ashore on a deserted island or coast and intentionally abandon.


Laughing my ass off that some fuck-stick libtard like you is calling Willie a "maroon." OMFG.

Fucking comedy gold.

What a friggen dumb-ass douche bag.

 

[festeringZit]

this thread has become a willie battering......maybe you should take a break willie.....terrible few months bud

This gay little quip of yours just makes you look more like an idiot than we already know you are. I'm just saying.

 

[The Guesser]

tr.v. ma·rooned, ma·roon·ing, ma·roons. 1. To put ashore on a deserted island or coast and intentionally abandon.


Laughing my ass off that some fuck-stick libtard like you is calling Willie a "maroon." OMFG.

Fucking comedy gold.

What a friggen dumb-ass douche bag.

No surprise that a douche like yourself was culturally deprived, and never watched Bugs Bunny. Google it MAROON . Also no surprise that you defend the indefensible, always wrong Willie.

 

[vitterd]

This gay little quip of yours just makes you look more like an idiot than we already know you are. I'm just saying.

says the guy making threads about an obama joke about protecting his daughters.

and your opinion of me means nothing.....im just saying

 

[Willie99]

only a simple minded libtard would think someone can speak for every state and local government in the country

they think everyone is as dumb as they are, they assume everyone makes the same silly arguments they do

what willie said was 100% spot on accurate, proven with links. Something my newest bitch can never do

 

[The Guesser]

only a simple minded libtard would think someone can speak for every state and local government in the country

they think everyone is as dumb as they are, they assume everyone makes the same silly arguments they do

what willie said was 100% spot on accurate, proven with links. Something my newest bitch can never do

Willie was made a fool of in a Political thread YET AGAIN, was exposed as totally wrong YET AGAIN. Tried to twist his way out, with his own links that proved he was wrong YET AGAIN, instead of just admitting he misspoke and was wrong YET AGAIN. It's just so easy with this idiot.
People who refer to themselves in the 3rd person are Egotistical, arrogant, POS's. As Willie Proves about himself YET AGAIN.

 

[Willie99]

dude, I made my argument which is truthful

I provided links to prove my argument

I live and experience the truth

you play semantics because you simply lack knowledge, your arguments are somewhat less than the ten second sound bite

spin doesn't impress anyone except fellow libtards, I'll let the words speak for themselves

 

[The Guesser]

dude, I made my argument which is truthful

I provided links to prove my argument

I live and experience the truth

you play semantics because you simply lack knowledge, your arguments are somewhat less than the ten second sound bite

spin doesn't impress anyone except fellow libtards, I'll let the words speak for themselves

The words do speak for themselves, and expose you. Every time. Your own links exposed you. You are the one who desperately tries to spin and play semantic, Clintonesque, games when you're caught("I didn't say ALL", LMFAO), instead of just being humble, admit you misspoke and were wrong, in a stupid attempt to further an agenda. You know nothing about truth.

 

[GasMan]

Did Guesser just call you a Maroon?

[h=1]Chatham Maroons[/h] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is about the Junior "B" Chatham Maroons. for the Senior team, see: Chatham Maroons (IHL).

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Chatham Maroons
City	Chatham, Ontario, Canada
League	Greater Ontario Junior Hockey League
Division	Western
Founded	1959
Home arena	Chatham Memorial Arena
Colors	Maroon, Brown, and White ​ ​ ​
General manager	Bill Bowler
Head coach	Bill Bowler
Affiliates	Blenheim Blades (GLJHL)
Franchise history
1959-1976	Chatham Maroons
1976-1978	Chatham Maple City Fords
1978-1988	Chatham Maroons
1988-1995	Chatham MicMac
1995-Present	Chatham Maroons

The Chatham Maroons are a Canadian junior ice hockey team based in Chatham, Ontario, Canada. They play in the Western division of the Greater Ontario Junior Hockey League.

 

[Ricboff]

drop the puck

 

[The Guesser]

Bleeding Purple, this is one of my favorite threads since I've been down here in this subforum. Totally exposed Wrong Way Willie for the Fraud he is, in his "Supposed" field of expertise. This one encapsulates the guy's inability to ever admit he's wrong, and instead doubles down on his wrongness. The guy is such an egotistical, arrogant fool that he claimed to have invented the word "libtard", which he uses over and over and over again when he has nothing to say. I wish I could find that thread. @)Enjoy BP, and I'll bump more as we go along. Take care and great job in the Medical Equipment thread, dude.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Bleeding Purple, this is one of my favorite threads since I've been down here in this subforum. Totally exposed Wrong Way Willie for the Fraud he is, in his "Supposed" field of expertise. This one encapsulates the guy's inability to ever admit he's wrong, and instead doubles down on his wrongness. The guy is such an egotistical, arrogant fool that he claimed to have invented the word "libtard", which he uses over and over and over again when he has nothing to say. I wish I could find that thread. @)Enjoy BP, and I'll bump more as we go along. Take care and great job in the Medical Equipment thread, dude.

You are a legend in your own mind along with all the voices.

 

[Willie99]

dude can't comprehend what I know, his peabrain in obviously much too small

I beat him down, pissed down is throat, and I'm laughing at his limp body where somewhere in his coma he's claiming "victory"

I'm telling you, it's genetics. they simply don't have 'it"

 

[The Guesser]

dude can't comprehend what I know, his peabrain in obviously much too small

I beat him down, pissed down is throat, and I'm laughing at his limp body where somewhere in his coma he's claiming "victory"

I'm telling you, it's genetics. they simply don't have 'it"

Poor, Delusional, "special" Wrong way. Destroyed on Pensions, Social Security, etc, stuff he supposedly "knows". No wonder those around him didn't have the heart to tell him they were voting Obama. They didn't wanna burst his "bubble". Just nod and smile at the special guy, and tell him you're voting Romney. He can't know the truth.