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I was gonna go buy some when I saw this thread but forgot they were otc .
I don't do otc

They won't be OTC much longer. When Conservatorship is declared to be complete, they'll go back to NYSE or another big board.

They're still both Fortune 50 Companies.
 

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Looks like the next leg-up is starting. Good times ahead with Mnuchin confirmation on the horizon along with Perry appeal ruling and Mandamus ruling. Still ~300% up-side on most Preferreds.
 

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I went ahead and bought 500 at 374 about a month ago just for fun
 

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Very nice day. What is it going to take for them to get back on the NYSE
 

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BIG WIN!! Mandamus largely rejected, only 8 documents of the 56 approved by Sweeney are to be withheld under Executive Privilege. The other 48 documents must be turned over. Only 11,000 more documents to go through now and most are withheld under Privileges other than Executive, meaning they will be turned over in due time.

Preferreds should be up 20+% on this news. Watch for a delayed reaction and late-day rally. This is absolutely HUGE.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2a6ishhxi9kuk0z/ct fed appeals writ mandamus.pdf?dl=0
 

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Very nice day. What is it going to take for them to get back on the NYSE

They can't relist until they are out of CONservatorship. FHFA was the decision maker to remove them from NYSE. They will be re-listed when they are re-capitalized and returned to private ownership. Which probably isn't too far away with today's Mandamus decision.
 

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New Article from Gretchen Morgenson re: today's Mandamus ruling -- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/business/fannie-mae-freddie-mac-fairholme-appeal.html?_r=0

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“This is a sweeping victory for the plaintiffs and, more broadly, for the rule of law and transparency in our government,” Charles J. Cooper, chairman of Cooper & Kirk, which is representing Fairholme Funds, said in a statement. “It is clear from the Court of Appeals’ unanimous ruling that the vast bulk of the 11,000 documents withheld by the government will now have to be disclosed to the plaintiffs and the courts, and we are confident that these documents will further discredit the government’s defense narrative.”
 

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Mnuchin confirmation was delayed until today, but then Dems decided to no-show for the vote. I assume we still get a vote this week. Committee Leaders can push this through to the Senate floor if Dems continue delay tactics.

This is an awesome response to the otherwise garbage piece put out by the MBA (backed by TBTF Banks) earlier today -- https://www.scribd.com/document/338...mments-on-Mba-Gse-reform-principles-report-wb
 

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ICYMI: "Hatch says the Senate Parliamentarian has OK'd the Committee' route suspend the rules and favorably report Mnuchin/Price" ... So Finance Committee has officially sent Mnuchin to the Senate floor for a confirmation vote. This will likely get wrapped up this week. Mnuchin confirmation equals another boom (as if that isn't already happening, LOL).

Hope you're enjoying the ride.
 

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Do you have a preference Fannie vs Freedie ?
 

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Do you have a preference Fannie vs Freedie ?


Freddie is actually in a better position from a financial perspective as they have paid the Treasury more on a percentage basis than they received as compared to Fannie. If they decide to use the "dividend" payments and count that as payment on principle on the original loan + 10% interest (personally I think it'll be lowered to 5%), then Freddie would be fully repaid or will likely be paid after they report Q4 2016 results and make one final payment.

There is a small possibility that Freddie could start paying Dividends on their Pref shares 1-2 quarters before Fannie, which would cause their Preferreds to hold a higher premium to Fannie's (which is currently the opposite of what the market is pricing in, but markets arent always efficient)

Fannie Mae does have a much larger market share, but keep in mind the Government seems to be pushing towards a Single Security (CSP). This benefits Freddie as it will allow them to steal market share from Fannie. All in all, you can't really go wrong with either. I'm split 55% Fannie and 45% Freddie, but tend to swap when arbitrage presents itself. My focus is always on FNMFN and FMCCT due to their yield and historical premium to Par. I also like FMCCP and FMCKJ. FMCKJ has a 5-year Call restriction (2012, 2017, 2022) which would prevent it from getting Called by the company until Dec 2022 [since it won't get Called this year]. FNMAS also has a 5-year Call restriction which means it can't get called until Dec 2020. FNMAO and FNMAP also have Call restrictions, but it's only for 2 years and I dont know the dates off-hand. These Preferreds help buy you security and lock-in Divis for a few years, as the Companies are likely to Call [buy back at Par Value or buy on the open market] the higher yielding Prefs at some point and these specific ones can't get Called except on the anniversary dates.

Hope this provides some clarification.
 

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