The way i understand it is simple. The ME is a shithole. Any person that want to raise a family and have a life free from worry should move from there. Israel is never going to stop having enemies so stopping Iran from having a nuke will do nothing. I say let them all have a finger on a button. Let them play chicken. Your cite is correct. There is no win win situation in the ME. So lets do something we have never done before and see if it works... lets pick up our ball and go home. Let them have nukes and agree to not use them, those that dont participate will be looked upon as such that that do and violate will bring the whole region down on them. Lets exercise a little Darwinism over there. The rest of the world has figured it out, seems as though the ME and many parts of Africa refuse to become civilized. Put their fate into their own hands. Lets keep our hands clean.
The way i understand it is simple. The ME is a shithole. Any person that want to raise a family and have a life free from worry should move from there. Israel is never going to stop having enemies so stopping Iran from having a nuke will do nothing. I say let them all have a finger on a button. Let them play chicken. Your cite is correct. There is no win win situation in the ME. So lets do something we have never done before and see if it works... lets pick up our ball and go home. Let them have nukes and agree to not use them, those that dont participate will be looked upon as such that that do and violate will bring the whole region down on them. Lets exercise a little Darwinism over there. The rest of the world has figured it out, seems as though the ME and many parts of Africa refuse to become civilized. Put their fate into their own hands. Lets keep our hands clean.
I think the premise is wrong. I dont think its any nations right to tell another what they can and cannot pursue. If i was running Iran i wouldnt be taking this down either, would you? We act as if the world is obligated to listen to what we say because we are the richest and most powerful, i wonder if many in the world see us just as much a bully as they do a beacon of hope?
We do not feel that the world is obliged to listen to what we say but someone has to question certain things even from the outside looking in. I am an OU fan and I criticize the Texas program all the time because they overpay Mack and under achieve. I would like to see them return to the top again. They are not obliged to listen to me and maybe I do not bring up anything they have not considered already. Same applies to the Middle East. I know millions of people are trapped in their home countries and don't like it. They have their internet taken away, they are suppressed and they do not agree with their political leadership. I know that the leaders in Iran do not give a shit what is posted on any US forums because they care about us less than they care about their own people.
So far I have heard rhetoric about why Iran "probably" would never nuke Israel or anyone else. Why the fixation on nuclear capability. When a country turns the corner and becomes a threat is when they shuck the rules and go rogue. That defines Iran under it's currrent leadership, a country gone rogue. Anyone naive enough to think they "know" what these people are not a threat, well, then you probably thought Obama was actually going to "change" something. People like me and others are open minded to all the possibilities including the most extreme ones. Like I keep saying, did you see 9-11 coming. Niether did I, but my eyes are now open to all possibilities and I take nothing for granted when it comes to predicting behavior from the Middle East. Better safe than sorry.
In fact, "we" (that is specifically You and I) can honorably live our lives that way and let our fellow Americans choose for themselves to join us or to instead cheer for one or another form of undue violence.
It remains fascinating to observe how my friends & neighbors choose
Clearly then the most enlightened position we can take is "Kill Them All Just To Be Sure!"
ps...I hear that "Iranian website" alef is like the Iranian Facebook. All the Iranians who matter spend most of their time on that website and they follow all the instructions without question
Barman admits to never watching or reading the news, getting all his 'info' from lefty websites, and posts half the time like he's a fly on the wall at the Pentagon and the other half like he's the Iranian Minister of Propaganda. Now here come the 9/11 fruitcakes nodding in agreement that we're going to "manufacture" another war.
You are the worst at putting words in people's mouths, "Kill them all just to be sure." You say all violence is "undue" and that is your word not mine. So you say there is no justification for war, much less killing, or are you just "unduly" preoccupied with innocent non-combatants like yourself. Must be nice to sit back and be the judge and jury and in the end sit back and let someone else stand up for someone else' rights, even those who are not sitting smugly in the confines of the US. It is curious that you know anything at all about the Iranian Facebook and I know nothing. What year camel do you drive?
Fletcher,
Being more trusting of America's foreign policy intentions than you are or espousing the "hit them before they hit you" philosophy ≠ delusion. But yeah, sometimes we need to open a window and let some comedy in here.
Sadly I think a regional war is coming to the ME. Hizb'allah has God knows how many missiles pointed at Israel from Lebanon. It's just a matter of who strikes first. No matter how it plays out the US will be involved. We are not going to allow Iran to choke off the world's oil supply. As far as Iran's nuke program goes I think it's better the US with its superior bunker busters and artillery cripple it rather than Israel delaying it for 3-6 months with a strike of their own.
Being more trusting of America's foreign policy intentions than you are or espousing the "hit them before they hit you" philosophy ≠ delusion. But yeah, sometimes we need to open a window and let some comedy in here.
Sadly I think a regional war is coming to the ME. Hizb'allah has God knows how many missiles pointed at Israel from Lebanon. It's just a matter of who strikes first. No matter how it plays out the US will be involved. We are not going to allow Iran to choke off the world's oil supply. As far as Iran's nuke program goes I think it's better the US with its superior bunker busters and artillery cripple it rather than Israel delaying it for 3-6 months with a strike of their own.
Video - What War With Iran Would Look Like:
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/15/what-would-war-with-iran-look-like/
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/15/what-would-war-with-iran-look-like/
well since we're in Oscar season please allow me to be the first rx pollster to congratulate Scott L on posting the most useless short video ever to grace our fair forum (Michelangelo's 37 min of a fully dressed Palin won't be beat for full length contribution)
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well since we're in Oscar season please allow me to be the first rx pollster to congratulate Scott L on posting the most useless short video ever to grace our fair forum (Michelangelo's 37 min of a fully dressed Palin won't be beat for full length contribution)
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I would post a contribution of "The Day After Tomorrow" so we could all tremble in fear anticipating an ecological catastrophe. But it seems that those who wish to be fearful already have their hands full with other Imaginary boogeymen
