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Dude, if you like this stuff... take a look at some of these lectures. Straight from Stanford University, the real deal of quantum mechanics. I don't have the mathematical background to understand a word they are saying after the first introductory lecture, but it is really fun to watch real life physicists talking about such a complex subject. They even offer the advanced quantum mechanics course for free.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=quantum+mechanics+stanford

sounds cool. Thanks for the link!
 

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what if we created a vehicle that could travel much faster than the speed of light....



This is another reason I believe UFO's may not exist, which I'll explain further below.

First let me say, don't get me wrong guys.
I still believe that it's possible life exists elsewhere.
I'm just not so sure of it as I used to be.

In regards to the Christian theory, some of you guys say just because the bible only talks about our creation, that it doesn't mean there isn't others out there.
I used to use that same line.
But the more I have thought about it, that if God did indeed create us, that I do actually believe that we are the only ones.

As for the Atheist theory, I understand the endless space & galaxies argument, but, if you take into account the 'once in a lifetime' odds of us being created by chance, and how impossible it is, I don't see it happening even twice, much less more than that.

I think the largest number known to mankind is Googolplex, which is so large, that it can never be written out in full.

Even these odds of what might have happened to spark life on Earth are not enough, and the odds would be more like infinity.

Think about that and the practically impossible chances of it ever happening AGAIN anywhere else...

Oh, about the travelling at the speed of light...

Even if we, or beings from somewhere else were to have the intelligence & technology to figure out how to travel at the speed of light.

You have Point A you're leaving from, and heading to Point B.

How on Earth are you ever going to make it there alive as you will hit something in between during that warp speed...
 

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I can't believe that of all the millions or billions of stars out there (read suns), not one of them have a planet orbiting them that doesn't sustain life

I think it's more accurate to assume they all have such a planet

and no, I don't have a link, I'm just using the WAG factor
 

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Just using Spock's logic, it's illogical to assume we are the only planet in the Universe with Humanoid Life.
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I believe we have been visited, perhaps even seeded by other, far advanced civilization(s). The likelihood that the Roman, Greek, Egyptian G-ds were visitors checking on their "children" is always one I've believed. We think no other race could travel the distance to get here because we are prisoners of our own physics.
 

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The thing I don't understand is it seems so dumb thinking about whether the cat is alive or dead... but some of the most expert mathematicians and physicists in the world believe in these theories. I'm not saying the guy in the video is an expert but what he is describing is a common theory in quantum mechanics. I still can't fathom what they mean by the cat is alive and dead and there is the potential of infinite universes where nothing is real until it is observed. That particles just move like waves and until an observer sees it, the wave collapses to its observable state? That makes no effing sense.

 

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I can't believe that of all the millions or billions of stars out there (read suns), not one of them have a planet orbiting them that doesn't sustain life

I think it's more accurate to assume they all have such a planet

and no, I don't have a link, I'm just using the WAG factor

There is life out there........and they're all liberals. lol
 

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what if we created a vehicle that could travel much faster than the speed of light.....and we reached the end of the universe.....what happens if we keep going?

(obviously we'd have to use auto pilot to get there)
Me and Steven Wright want to know what would happen if you turned the headlights on.
 

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High School kid does a good job of explaining dimensions....


I think this is heading down the right path. Aliens, I believe, are 4th dimensional beings. I was reading on some forum a while back that people can communicate with them if their minds can reach a certain vibrational level. Some guy in the thread tried it and said it didn't work but then things got really weird for him. He said it always felt like something/someone was watching him no matter where he went. Weird sounds in the house when he was alone and he knew what people were thinking/going to say before they said or did anything.

He was most likely bullshitting or high out of his mind but I thought it was an interesting read if anything.
 

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I have my doubts that any planet out there can withstand the natural elements long enough to produce a very advanced civilization that can travel from planet to planet. Between asteroids, earthquakes, volcanoes, ice ages, wars etc. it means they would have to get very lucky and dodge all of these disasters just to be as advanced as Earth. And we are still a long ways from actual human interplanetary travel. Especially travel out of our solar system.
 

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this life could have existed a billion years ago on a planet far far away and been long gone---



We have had advanced technolgy for .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the time that the universe has existed. We will destroy ourselves in a matter a few thousand years which is a grain of sand on a beach as far as time is concerned.

So chances that 2 advanced civilizations ever collide are pretty slim.
 

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And this I have had in my mind, glad to see someone share the same question

No one knows what's on "the outside" or if there is an outside. They say they've been able to see light from 13.2 billion years ago. But if it took 13.2 billion years to travel, with the speed the Universe is expanding it could be 90 billion light years away. So for us to see the edge of the Universe in it's present state, we have to wait 90 billion years from now to see it, unless we develop space travel that goes faster than the speed of light. Crazy stuff.
 

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If you want another number that will blow your mind. The furthest we've reached from earth is 17 light hours away. The speed at which we can travel would take 17,500 years to just travel 1 light year.

So it would take 1,575,000,000,000. That's 1.575 quadrillion years it would take us to reach the current edge of the Universe and by then we would be even more quadrillion miles away from the edge.

Just mind boggling size the Universe is.
 
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The thing I don't understand is it seems so dumb thinking about whether the cat is alive or dead... but some of the most expert mathematicians and physicists in the world believe in these theories. I'm not saying the guy in the video is an expert but what he is describing is a common theory in quantum mechanics. I still can't fathom what they mean by the cat is alive and dead and there is the potential of infinite universes where nothing is real until it is observed. That particles just move like waves and until an observer sees it, the wave collapses to its observable state? That makes no effing sense.


One of the inherent problems with quantum mechanics, and the problem that Schrodinger's Cat tries to illustrate, is that you can't know the state of a quantum particle without looking at it, and the act of looking at it disturbs the system such that you don't know where the particle really was, because the light waves one uses to actually look at the particles, disturbs the particles you're trying to observe.
 

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One of the inherent problems with quantum mechanics, and the problem that Schrodinger's Cat tries to illustrate, is that you can't know the state of a quantum particle without looking at it, and the act of looking at it disturbs the system such that you don't know where the particle really was, because the light waves one uses to actually look at the particles, disturbs the particles you're trying to observe.

I was under the impression that unobserved it's a wave and there is an interference pattern, and then once observed the wave collapses and you can now observe the position of the particle. Obviously referring to the double slit experiment. I still don't see how they come to the conclusion that this means there's an infinite number of universes or that nothing is real until observed.
 
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I was under the impression that unobserved it's a wave and there is an interference pattern, and then once observed the wave collapses and you can now observe the position of the particle. Obviously referring to the double slit experiment. I still don't see how they come to the conclusion that this means there's an infinite number of universes or that nothing is real until observed.

Because observing the particle disturbs the system, one can only talk about the position of the particle in terms of probabilities. The wave function doesn't mean that the particle exists in all those locations at once, but the wave is the probability distribution for the particle. The higher the wave, the higher the probability that the particle exists at that point. The wave obviously "collapses" or doesn't exist when you view the particle, because now the probabilities don't exist and we have an exact position.
 

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Because observing the particle disturbs the system, one can only talk about the position of the particle in terms of probabilities. The wave function doesn't mean that the particle exists in all those locations at once, but the wave is the probability distribution for the particle. The higher the wave, the higher the probability that the particle exists at that point. The wave obviously "collapses" or doesn't exist when you view the particle, because now the probabilities don't exist and we have an exact position.

So it's pretty much nothing but mathematics and imagination based on probabilities?
 

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Have you noticed since the advent of smart phones and social media the claims of UFO's and UFO abduction have gone down? They say the reason is because people no longer need to lie about claims like this because they now have social media sites like Facebook as their attention getting device.
 
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So it's pretty much nothing but mathematics and imagination based on probabilities?

Well, I think Schrodinger's Cat was conceived as an illustration to show the limitations on our understanding of quantum mechanics, since we can't observe an experiment without disturbing the experiment... We can only talk about the probability of the particle being in a certain position but nothing about the actual state of the particle as the probabilities change.... it's whacked....
 

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