TTinco,
No I did not triple hit any games nor did I have six accounts. I am now really worried because that is an outright lie, and they must need to lie because they are in trouble. I just read a post on Major by Peep who has something to you from Shrink saying that they need $20,000 to remain solvent and they don't have it. I am very worried now. Why won't they just give me back my post up money?
No I did not triple hit any games nor did I have six accounts. I am now really worried because that is an outright lie, and they must need to lie because they are in trouble. I just read a post on Major by Peep who has something to you from Shrink saying that they need $20,000 to remain solvent and they don't have it. I am very worried now. Why won't they just give me back my post up money?
THERE'S ONE THING I HATE BOYS, AND THAT IS SCAMMERS.. IF THIS GUY REALLY DID HAVE MANY IP'S AT THE SAME BOOK AT THE SAME TIME AND REALLY DID PUT IN 3 BETS FOR THE MAX ON THE SAME GAME, THEN THIS GUY IS A SCAMMER..
IF HE DID THIS TO CIRCUMVENT LIMITS ON GAMES TO TRY TO GET MORE, THEN THAT IS OUTRIGHT DISHONEST. I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE LIKE THIS.. MAN, DO I HATE SCAMMERS..
I CAN'T STAND SCAMMERS.
EVEN OUR OLD PAL SICK GAMBLER NEVER DID ANYTHING THIS LOW..
OUT TILL THIS EVENING.. SEE YOU LOSERS TONIGHT..AND DONT BAD MOUTH ME WHILE I'M GONE, YOU DEGENERATES.
IF HE DID THIS TO CIRCUMVENT LIMITS ON GAMES TO TRY TO GET MORE, THEN THAT IS OUTRIGHT DISHONEST. I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE LIKE THIS.. MAN, DO I HATE SCAMMERS..
I CAN'T STAND SCAMMERS.
EVEN OUR OLD PAL SICK GAMBLER NEVER DID ANYTHING THIS LOW..
OUT TILL THIS EVENING.. SEE YOU LOSERS TONIGHT..AND DONT BAD MOUTH ME WHILE I'M GONE, YOU DEGENERATES.
Stud, at this point-I'm not doubting you (Yes, I've gone back & forth on this about 10 times as I got more info).
I guess it was 3 pairs of IP's, and the correlation between plays was not necessarily that strong.
I'd like to hear from Ewinner, but they are now having sun spots on top of the DOS attack.
I know at least one person in the industry who knows ALL of the details, and he is disgusted with the stance that eWinner has taken.
It would really be nice to get some 1st hand info from them so the players that have $$$$ there could find out what the hell is going on.
I guess it was 3 pairs of IP's, and the correlation between plays was not necessarily that strong.
I'd like to hear from Ewinner, but they are now having sun spots on top of the DOS attack.
I know at least one person in the industry who knows ALL of the details, and he is disgusted with the stance that eWinner has taken.
It would really be nice to get some 1st hand info from them so the players that have $$$$ there could find out what the hell is going on.
TTinco,
How come ewinner doesn't come on here and tell their side. Why are they hiding? I'm glad that your friend in the industry is disgusted with the way they are handling this. But what about that note on the Major aboutShrink telling you that they need $20,000 for solvency. Is this true?
How come ewinner doesn't come on here and tell their side. Why are they hiding? I'm glad that your friend in the industry is disgusted with the way they are handling this. But what about that note on the Major aboutShrink telling you that they need $20,000 for solvency. Is this true?
The facts: I opened my account with EWinner on August 23, 2003. I deposited
$2500 and received a $500 bonus. From the account opening until yesterday,
September 26, 2003, I happily utilized my active account, winning some,
losing some, and taking two payouts as well, (I don't like to let an account
balance grow too large).
On September 7, 2003 I suggested to my brother that he also open an account
at EWinner to enjoy their 8 cent baseball lines. I discussed with Cory,
EWinners manager, the possibility of my brother and I placing similar wagers
and sometimes him using my computer to place the wagers. Cory specifically
told me that our action is welcome, and there is no problem with the above
two issues. My brother opened his account. I did not request nor did I
receive a referral bonus.
On September 13, 2003 I referred a friend to open an account at EWinner to
enjoy their 8 cent baseball lines. For this friend I did request and receive
a referral bonus. When the referred account owner, opened the account,
EWinner customer service rep was notified that the new account owner, being
unknowledgeable about computers, and not owning a computer, would have to
open the new account with my help and using my computer and therefore
causing the same ip address. Once again, this issue was brought up with the
customer service rep at account opening and was approved. The fact that the
referred customer would have to use my computer to enjoy the 8 cent lines
was also discussed and approved by customer service, both of us basically
being told that it wasn't a problem.
The referred customer happily utilized the account from opening until
yesterday as well. I placed some wagers, sometimes the same as my own, on
the referred customers, behalf. Other times the referred customer placed
wagers via telephone when I was unavailable to help get the 8 cent line.
I again spoke to Cory in the interim about the ip address problem and the
like wagers being placed and was told that it wasn't a problem. They liked
our action.
When I lost my account balance down to zero, on September 19, 2003, I
reloaded with another $2500. I received another $500 reload bonus on
September 19, as well, with the usual rollover requirement to earn the
bonus.
From September 19, to present, I utilized my account. My account balance
beginning September 26, 2003, was $2730.
On September 26, 2003, around noon est. time, I placed two internet wagers,
one on the Detroit Tigers to win, + 160, $970 to win $1552, and the second
on the Cleveland Indians to win, + 140, $1000 to win $1440. Detroit lost
and Cleveland won, for a net win of $470, which I am told I have forfeited,
and have had my account closed and my entire balance forfeited, along with
the two above wagers cancelled as per rule #3. The referred customer's
account was also closed.
Rule number #3, hidden away in fine print, (I ask readers to go and find
EWinner's rules), on a separate pop up message box at EWinner reads:
"3. A member may have only ONE account. The Company reserves the right to
close or disable a member's account without notice in cases where the
Company, at its sole discretion, deems this appropriate. Only the initial
deposit will be refunded on all accounts."
I learned of the above when I checked my email, around 7:30 p.m. after the
games has started. This is what the email I received from EWinner stated:
"It has recently come to our attention during a routine security check that
you have been betting with multiple accounts all using the exact same IP
address. This is a direct violation that we take very seriously, we are
committed to operating under a stable financial environment and expect our
players to honor the limits posted on our website and to abide by the terms
agreed to by both parties. Your initial deposit will be refunded unless your
withdrawals have been greater than your initial deposit in which case all
remaining funds will be forfeited.
EWINNER Customer Service"
I immediately called Cory, EWinners account manager and asked about the
above. Cory told me he deleted the wagers and wouldn't reinstate them,
because I placed wagers for the referred account holder using my computer. I
did! He said my brother's account wasn't in question, only the referred
customers. He wasn't aware that I discussed the ip address issues with
customer service at account opening of the referred customer. Cory said he
would go to bat for me with owners regarding the reopening of our accounts,
and that I should call him in the morning. I again requested that the
wagers be reinstated, and was refused. I told him I would call in the
morning about my account.
It appears to me that Cory is the one making the decisions as it is Cory who
decided to delete the wagers. I believe it is in fact Cory making the
decisions regarding this matter and saying that he has to speak to the
owners is in fact only "passing the buck" and getting ready to use a good
guy (Cory) bad guy ( owners) scenario to defraud me and my friend of our
account balances.
I'm afraid that my friend and I are going to be victims of the so called
wise guy rule and hereby ask for any help which may be forthcoming and give
warning to others about EWinner and their sister book Sirbet.
$2500 and received a $500 bonus. From the account opening until yesterday,
September 26, 2003, I happily utilized my active account, winning some,
losing some, and taking two payouts as well, (I don't like to let an account
balance grow too large).
On September 7, 2003 I suggested to my brother that he also open an account
at EWinner to enjoy their 8 cent baseball lines. I discussed with Cory,
EWinners manager, the possibility of my brother and I placing similar wagers
and sometimes him using my computer to place the wagers. Cory specifically
told me that our action is welcome, and there is no problem with the above
two issues. My brother opened his account. I did not request nor did I
receive a referral bonus.
On September 13, 2003 I referred a friend to open an account at EWinner to
enjoy their 8 cent baseball lines. For this friend I did request and receive
a referral bonus. When the referred account owner, opened the account,
EWinner customer service rep was notified that the new account owner, being
unknowledgeable about computers, and not owning a computer, would have to
open the new account with my help and using my computer and therefore
causing the same ip address. Once again, this issue was brought up with the
customer service rep at account opening and was approved. The fact that the
referred customer would have to use my computer to enjoy the 8 cent lines
was also discussed and approved by customer service, both of us basically
being told that it wasn't a problem.
The referred customer happily utilized the account from opening until
yesterday as well. I placed some wagers, sometimes the same as my own, on
the referred customers, behalf. Other times the referred customer placed
wagers via telephone when I was unavailable to help get the 8 cent line.
I again spoke to Cory in the interim about the ip address problem and the
like wagers being placed and was told that it wasn't a problem. They liked
our action.
When I lost my account balance down to zero, on September 19, 2003, I
reloaded with another $2500. I received another $500 reload bonus on
September 19, as well, with the usual rollover requirement to earn the
bonus.
From September 19, to present, I utilized my account. My account balance
beginning September 26, 2003, was $2730.
On September 26, 2003, around noon est. time, I placed two internet wagers,
one on the Detroit Tigers to win, + 160, $970 to win $1552, and the second
on the Cleveland Indians to win, + 140, $1000 to win $1440. Detroit lost
and Cleveland won, for a net win of $470, which I am told I have forfeited,
and have had my account closed and my entire balance forfeited, along with
the two above wagers cancelled as per rule #3. The referred customer's
account was also closed.
Rule number #3, hidden away in fine print, (I ask readers to go and find
EWinner's rules), on a separate pop up message box at EWinner reads:
"3. A member may have only ONE account. The Company reserves the right to
close or disable a member's account without notice in cases where the
Company, at its sole discretion, deems this appropriate. Only the initial
deposit will be refunded on all accounts."
I learned of the above when I checked my email, around 7:30 p.m. after the
games has started. This is what the email I received from EWinner stated:
"It has recently come to our attention during a routine security check that
you have been betting with multiple accounts all using the exact same IP
address. This is a direct violation that we take very seriously, we are
committed to operating under a stable financial environment and expect our
players to honor the limits posted on our website and to abide by the terms
agreed to by both parties. Your initial deposit will be refunded unless your
withdrawals have been greater than your initial deposit in which case all
remaining funds will be forfeited.
EWINNER Customer Service"
I immediately called Cory, EWinners account manager and asked about the
above. Cory told me he deleted the wagers and wouldn't reinstate them,
because I placed wagers for the referred account holder using my computer. I
did! He said my brother's account wasn't in question, only the referred
customers. He wasn't aware that I discussed the ip address issues with
customer service at account opening of the referred customer. Cory said he
would go to bat for me with owners regarding the reopening of our accounts,
and that I should call him in the morning. I again requested that the
wagers be reinstated, and was refused. I told him I would call in the
morning about my account.
It appears to me that Cory is the one making the decisions as it is Cory who
decided to delete the wagers. I believe it is in fact Cory making the
decisions regarding this matter and saying that he has to speak to the
owners is in fact only "passing the buck" and getting ready to use a good
guy (Cory) bad guy ( owners) scenario to defraud me and my friend of our
account balances.
I'm afraid that my friend and I are going to be victims of the so called
wise guy rule and hereby ask for any help which may be forthcoming and give
warning to others about EWinner and their sister book Sirbet.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TTinCO:
Well Lou, I just present it as I get the info-rather than flying off the handle based on nothing.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course. Just like you didn't fly off the handle when staing threads in every posting room you could FALSELY sayin I admit I'm a rat.
...do you actually believe your own lies, or are is it because you got a little Devil up your ass?
Well Lou, I just present it as I get the info-rather than flying off the handle based on nothing.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course. Just like you didn't fly off the handle when staing threads in every posting room you could FALSELY sayin I admit I'm a rat.
...do you actually believe your own lies, or are is it because you got a little Devil up your ass?
There is a serious problem with the IP duplication argument. While it often does indicate dual use, that is not guaranteed.
In particular, AOL uses a pool of proxy servers and often a player's IP address will change during a single session.
How does a book handle the case of several family members wanting to wager at their site? Is there ANY way for a family to wager and be free of the risk of confiscation of funds? Is there a better way to state this rule?
Any books/players/mods have ideas for crafting a better way to state this rule?
In particular, AOL uses a pool of proxy servers and often a player's IP address will change during a single session.
How does a book handle the case of several family members wanting to wager at their site? Is there ANY way for a family to wager and be free of the risk of confiscation of funds? Is there a better way to state this rule?
Any books/players/mods have ideas for crafting a better way to state this rule?
I've only got one thing to say about the ip duplication rule PROXY SERVER.
Before books take this stand and rule plays invalid I sure hope they research the connection the questioned player is using.
Where I am at I can currently see 75 accounts playing under 1 ip.
cache-dk11.proxy.aol.com
Most broadband user connections are now routed though proxy servers so scores of player accounts have the same originating ip. About the only unique ip addresses I can see come from the poor saps that are still on dialup.
Before books take this stand and rule plays invalid I sure hope they research the connection the questioned player is using.
Where I am at I can currently see 75 accounts playing under 1 ip.
cache-dk11.proxy.aol.com
Most broadband user connections are now routed though proxy servers so scores of player accounts have the same originating ip. About the only unique ip addresses I can see come from the poor saps that are still on dialup.
eh-
Exactly. Although, to clarify, AOL dial-ups go through a proxy, though most non-AOL dial-ups tend to remain unique for the session and then change the next time the player logs in.
Unless we get get rules like this clarified, the books will flip it around as follows: we saw player coming from 2 different IP's, therefore must be two people on same account ==> syndicate ==> no-pay
I'm totally against players having multiple accounts and using them to exceed wager limits or bonuses. However, the books need to have pretty solid evidence before denying a player his funds. A warning to the players that they are under-suspicion should deter most cheats, since they have been put on notice, and can expect the books to be scrutinizing them closely.
Exactly. Although, to clarify, AOL dial-ups go through a proxy, though most non-AOL dial-ups tend to remain unique for the session and then change the next time the player logs in.
Unless we get get rules like this clarified, the books will flip it around as follows: we saw player coming from 2 different IP's, therefore must be two people on same account ==> syndicate ==> no-pay
I'm totally against players having multiple accounts and using them to exceed wager limits or bonuses. However, the books need to have pretty solid evidence before denying a player his funds. A warning to the players that they are under-suspicion should deter most cheats, since they have been put on notice, and can expect the books to be scrutinizing them closely.
Well boys,
I haven't heard anything since I posted this thread at around 10:00 am. I haven't heard anything from Shrink other than an email that said he didn't like what he was hearing. Other than that, I have heard nothing. I think I may be screwed and that their are players have also had their accounts confiscated. Players beware of these books. They will use any excuse to steal your money and their is absolutely nothing you can do. I need help, please somebody at this site call these guys and help me retrieve my money. For those of you still at ewinner, beware, you are next. If they are $20,000 in the hole, they won't last. Get out now!
I haven't heard anything since I posted this thread at around 10:00 am. I haven't heard anything from Shrink other than an email that said he didn't like what he was hearing. Other than that, I have heard nothing. I think I may be screwed and that their are players have also had their accounts confiscated. Players beware of these books. They will use any excuse to steal your money and their is absolutely nothing you can do. I need help, please somebody at this site call these guys and help me retrieve my money. For those of you still at ewinner, beware, you are next. If they are $20,000 in the hole, they won't last. Get out now!
