The majority of gamblers do not care if the numbers are cloned or not i believe. I think if one posts up, likes the CS, & software, they will stay even if posted "we clone" on the website.
I disagree, but an even bigger problem with this theory is that "new" shops would have virtually ZERO chance of getting customers ...
if everybook had the same events and prices then I imagine that every player would stick with 1 book that they feel comfortable with. We'd be down to a handful of books with no pressure to offer low vig, incentives, or unique props ...
... as a player I'm all for these things.
I disagree, but an even bigger problem with this theory is that "new" shops would have virtually ZERO chance of getting customers ...
if everybook had the same events and prices then I imagine that every player would stick with 1 book that they feel comfortable with. We'd be down to a handful of books with no pressure to offer low vig, incentives, or unique props ...
... as a player I'm all for these things.
It isn't rocket science, it is gambling, cloned numbers or original numbers they are never right all the time.
These books all feed off each other, I have said it before. That allows them to gamble a lot more as well, something they need to do to survive.
Offshore books aren't like Vegas books with hotel, resorts, and multibillion dollar corporatiopns behind them. They are for the most part solely relying on sports betting to survive. To tell you the truth I don't know how they do it. Winning more than they lose when they post opinonated numbers is the most logical answer. Also being able to rely on other books to help take away the burden is another.
In the more popular sports of football you may find a full one point spread between all the books out there. I made this argument before. Say there are 1000 books, 330 might have -4, 330 might have -4.5, and 340 might have -5. So while you can shop around and get a better line depending on if you like the dog or fave, the books aren't opening themselves up to any major problems.
In bases where the action is much less you can find favorable odds both ways, but a lot less than in years past, and getting worse all the time. If you take leads you will get a few here and there, but in terms of simultaneous stuff it is few and far between. But for the most part by game time most joints are within a nickle of each other, even those running 20 cent lines.
But since there are so many books out there, they aren't really getting buried one way or the other. Obviously some books do more business than others, but those books can also afford to gamble a little more. Their handle is such that they can eat a few losses here and there, and they also get enough wins to help out.
Being a bookie isn't as tough as people think. All you need to do is be able to balance action, and if you are small time and get buried one way, the ability to lay it off somewhere else.
I know all you guys "in the business" scoff at this and have the condescending attitude. But it is a business, and anyone with business sense and a little experience could do it.
All you need is some good clientele, and some capital, and be able to add and subtract. This whole cloak and dagger, it takes a genius to be a bookie stuff is crap. If it were so hard to do there wouldn't be shops popping up all over the place,and they wouldn't stay in business as long as they do.
I would bet my ass that most of these places start up with less than 50K in capital and float the post ups money. I am talking the rinky dink joints that people tout every so often. But they some how make it. Look at the list of books, I am not sure there are 1000, but there are over 750 for sure, but you only here about 20-25 on a regular basis, but the others exist, and they somehow survive.
I know this got a little off topic, but there are really no "original" lines anymore. The market is fixed by the elite books, and the other smaller places simply have to fall in line. But the irony is these bigger books actually rely on the smaller places.
If these smaller places didn't exist you would see a lot more line movements, and a lot more spots to middle and hedge. Because there would be fewer books taking action so they would have to be a lot more careful with the numbers they posted, and how and when they move them.
Books that put up numbers that are slightly off are considered pioneers, Pinnacle come to mind. Who is to say they aren't the book gambling the most? Who is to say they are the only book NOT gambling? They may be the only book putting up a true number, while the other books have hedged a little to gamble somewhat.
When you don't know the total amount of money in the whole pool, then it is impossible to say which statement is more accurate.
Worrying about all this doesn't do any good. It is like going to the gas pump and still seeing gas at 170 a gallon and wondering why it hasn't dropped more. You need gas, you pay the price, you want to gamble you take the number they give you. And sometimes cheaper isn't always better. If a book has outrageous lines they are either gambling way too much, or looking to attract suckers (business), or they have limits so low it is a waste of time playing with them. Just like cheap gas, your car knocks, and pings, and gets horrible mileage.
Play where you get paid, play where you find the best number, and play where you like. All the other stuff takes care of itself.
These books all feed off each other, I have said it before. That allows them to gamble a lot more as well, something they need to do to survive.
Offshore books aren't like Vegas books with hotel, resorts, and multibillion dollar corporatiopns behind them. They are for the most part solely relying on sports betting to survive. To tell you the truth I don't know how they do it. Winning more than they lose when they post opinonated numbers is the most logical answer. Also being able to rely on other books to help take away the burden is another.
In the more popular sports of football you may find a full one point spread between all the books out there. I made this argument before. Say there are 1000 books, 330 might have -4, 330 might have -4.5, and 340 might have -5. So while you can shop around and get a better line depending on if you like the dog or fave, the books aren't opening themselves up to any major problems.
In bases where the action is much less you can find favorable odds both ways, but a lot less than in years past, and getting worse all the time. If you take leads you will get a few here and there, but in terms of simultaneous stuff it is few and far between. But for the most part by game time most joints are within a nickle of each other, even those running 20 cent lines.
But since there are so many books out there, they aren't really getting buried one way or the other. Obviously some books do more business than others, but those books can also afford to gamble a little more. Their handle is such that they can eat a few losses here and there, and they also get enough wins to help out.
Being a bookie isn't as tough as people think. All you need to do is be able to balance action, and if you are small time and get buried one way, the ability to lay it off somewhere else.
I know all you guys "in the business" scoff at this and have the condescending attitude. But it is a business, and anyone with business sense and a little experience could do it.
All you need is some good clientele, and some capital, and be able to add and subtract. This whole cloak and dagger, it takes a genius to be a bookie stuff is crap. If it were so hard to do there wouldn't be shops popping up all over the place,and they wouldn't stay in business as long as they do.
I would bet my ass that most of these places start up with less than 50K in capital and float the post ups money. I am talking the rinky dink joints that people tout every so often. But they some how make it. Look at the list of books, I am not sure there are 1000, but there are over 750 for sure, but you only here about 20-25 on a regular basis, but the others exist, and they somehow survive.
I know this got a little off topic, but there are really no "original" lines anymore. The market is fixed by the elite books, and the other smaller places simply have to fall in line. But the irony is these bigger books actually rely on the smaller places.
If these smaller places didn't exist you would see a lot more line movements, and a lot more spots to middle and hedge. Because there would be fewer books taking action so they would have to be a lot more careful with the numbers they posted, and how and when they move them.
Books that put up numbers that are slightly off are considered pioneers, Pinnacle come to mind. Who is to say they aren't the book gambling the most? Who is to say they are the only book NOT gambling? They may be the only book putting up a true number, while the other books have hedged a little to gamble somewhat.
When you don't know the total amount of money in the whole pool, then it is impossible to say which statement is more accurate.
Worrying about all this doesn't do any good. It is like going to the gas pump and still seeing gas at 170 a gallon and wondering why it hasn't dropped more. You need gas, you pay the price, you want to gamble you take the number they give you. And sometimes cheaper isn't always better. If a book has outrageous lines they are either gambling way too much, or looking to attract suckers (business), or they have limits so low it is a waste of time playing with them. Just like cheap gas, your car knocks, and pings, and gets horrible mileage.
Play where you get paid, play where you find the best number, and play where you like. All the other stuff takes care of itself.
