Eggs have no real effect on cholesterol levels

[tiznow]

Monsanto's growth hormone RBGH is used to increase the milk supply and this causes significantly increased levels of another growth hormone called IGF-1. I just doubt long term that is good. Just like Monsanto's chemically engineered round up seeds that are straight poison. Big Ag to me is just not smart. Unless your talking fruit form a place like Honduras in the winter up here in the north, ill stay local. However, i hear of these new greenhouse buildings over in Japan, it would be stellar to do that here. At least i think its Japan, i seen it on the science channel a few weeks back.

well unfortunately monsanto is necessary in this day and age

too many people too few resources

but in america you can choose what you want to intake so not a huge deal if you are an aware consumer

the dairy industry (regardless of the hormone issue) overall is a humongous scam big time

no reason anybody needs to drink milk or eat cheese from a diet standpoint

you need magnesium to absorb calcium

milk doesn't have magnesium

 

[tiznow]

almonds (whose prices went bonkers during our commodity inflation boom and have stayed up) a good alternative to milk for your calcium needs as well

has lots of calcium as well as magnesium

i throw in some wasabi peas with raw almonds to give it some kick so its not so bland

 

[fletchisrhsm]

I buy milk because i like it. I like cookies and milk. I like Ice Cream. I like cheese. If i was worried about supplementing my diet with calcium, i would just eat fucking Tums.

:cripwalk:

 

[Kiln]

#1 thing I try is to buy local, even over organic. As mentioned lotta organic scams.

Going to a farmers market you can deal direct and get to know where your food is coming from....

I'm part of a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) so I get the best of both worlds: local and organic. If one's primary concern is with environmental impact then I think t2050 is right: buying local is better than buying organic. At least that's one study showed recently (tho' can't find it now, sorry).

If you're not part of a CSA I recommend you check it out, even if you're part of the right wing lunatic fringe. They're pretty much everywhere now. Here's a brief description in case you're not familiar with the concept:

CSA is a partnership of mutual commitment between a farm and a community of supporters which provides a direct link between the production and consumption of food. Supporters cover a farm's yearly operating budget by purchasing a share of the season's harvest. CSA members make a commitment to support the farm throughout the season, and assume the costs, risks and bounty of growing food along with the farmer or grower. Members help pay for seeds, fertilizer, water, equipment maintenance, labor, etc. In return, the farm provides, to the best of its ability, a healthy supply of seasonal fresh produce throughout the growing season. Becoming a member creates a responsible relationship between people and the food they eat, the land on which it is grown and those who grow it.
there's more here or just google it.

 

[Mistermj]

milk is a huge scam

especially when you are talking about the hormone hopped up run of the mill milk

eat lots of spinach and green veggies has plenty of calcium

humans weren't really "programmed" by mother nature to consume dairy

reason so many people are lactose intolerant

No way...milk and dairy is not a scam.

Low fat and demonizing fat as causing heart disease is the scam.

It's just not true.

Low fat diets lead to the epidemic in obesity, diabetes and heart disease by pushing everyone to carbs, sugar and hydrogenated fats.

 

[tiznow]

saturated fat the problem as far as heart health increase chance of cancer etc...

obviously the other end of spectrum carbs, sugar, hydrogenated fats no good too and leads to problems

like a mediterraean diet (which i'd say i'm the closest to if you want to categorize my eating habits) tends to have alot of unsaturated (healthy) fats via nuts, olive oil, etc...

 

[tiznow]

An evaluation of data from Harvard Nurses' Health Study found that "diets lower in carbohydrate and higher in protein and fat are not associated with increased risk of coronary heart disease in women. When vegetable sources of fat and protein are chosen, these diets may moderately reduce the risk of coronary heart disease." [3]

Diets high in saturated fat are correlated with an increased incidence of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease according to a number of studies, both in African green monkeys[4] and humans, such as a study of infant diets [5], 22 hypercholesterolemic men [6][7][8] Some studies have suggested that diets high in saturated fat increase the risk of heart disease and stroke. Epidemiological studies have found that those whose diets are high in saturated fatty acids, including lauric, myristic, palmitic, and stearic acid, had a higher prevalence of coronary heart disease.[9][10][11][12] Additionally, controlled experimental studies have found that people consuming high saturated fat diets experience negative cholesterol profile changes.[5][13][14][15] A 2003 meta-analysis published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition concluded that diets high in saturated fat might adversely affect cholesterol profiles.

Experiments in which subjects were randomly assigned to either Mediterranean or a control diet (which replaces saturated fat with mono and polyunsaturated fat) showed that subjects assigned to a Mediterranean diet exhibited a significantly decreased likelihood of suffering a second heart attack, cardiac death, heart failure or stroke.[16][17]

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from looking at all the different diet plans they come up with over the years

tiz thinks the mediterranean one is the best one to follow

fish, fruits and veggies, olive oil, nuts, whole grain bread

the general makeup of that diet

 

[Kiln]

An evaluation of data from Harvard Nurses' Health Study found that "diets lower in carbohydrate and higher in protein and fat are not associated with increased risk of coronary heart disease in women. When vegetable sources of fat and protein are chosen, these diets may moderately reduce the risk of coronary heart disease." [3]

Diets high in saturated fat are correlated with an increased incidence of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease according to a number of studies, both in African green monkeys[4] and humans, such as a study of infant diets [5], 22 hypercholesterolemic men [6][7][8] Some studies have suggested that diets high in saturated fat increase the risk of heart disease and stroke. Epidemiological studies have found that those whose diets are high in saturated fatty acids, including lauric, myristic, palmitic, and stearic acid, had a higher prevalence of coronary heart disease.[9][10][11][12] Additionally, controlled experimental studies have found that people consuming high saturated fat diets experience negative cholesterol profile changes.[5][13][14][15] A 2003 meta-analysis published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition concluded that diets high in saturated fat might adversely affect cholesterol profiles.

Experiments in which subjects were randomly assigned to either Mediterranean or a control diet (which replaces saturated fat with mono and polyunsaturated fat) showed that subjects assigned to a Mediterranean diet exhibited a significantly decreased likelihood of suffering a second heart attack, cardiac death, heart failure or stroke.[16][17]

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You don't get to quote science when it fits your agenda and reject it when it doesn't. Your inconsistency betrays the flimsy of your belief system (in other words, what you're doing is hypocritical).

 

[Mistermj]

Health Warnings
Heart Surgeon Admits Huge Mistake
by Dwight Lundell MD 02/03/2009

We physicians with all our training, knowledge and authority often acquire a rather large ego that tends to make it difficult to admit we are wrong. So, here it is. I freely admit to being wrong. As a heart surgeon with 25 years experience, having performed over 5,000 open-heart surgeries, today is my day to right the wrong with medical and scientific fact.

I trained for many years with other prominent physicians labeled "opinion makers." Bombarded with scientific literature, continually attending education seminars, we opinion makers insisted heart disease resulted from the simple fact of elevated blood cholesterol.

The only accepted therapy was prescribing medications to lower cholesterol and a diet that severely restricted fat intake. The latter of course we insisted would lower cholesterol and heart disease. Deviations from these recommendations were considered heresy and could quite possibly result in malpractice.

It Is Not Working!

These recommendations are no longer scientifically or morally defensible. The discovery a few years ago that inflammation in the artery wall is the real cause of heart disease is slowly leading to a paradigm shift in how heart disease and other chronic ailments will be treated.

The long-established dietary recommendations have created epidemics of obesity and diabetes, the consequences of which dwarf any historical plague in terms of mortality, human suffering and dire economic consequences.

Despite the fact that 25% of the population takes expensive statin medications and despite the fact we have reduced the fat content of our diets, more Americans will die this year of heart disease than ever before.

Statistics from the American Heart Association show that 75 million Americans currently suffer from heart disease, 20 million have diabetes and 57 million have pre-diabetes. These disorders are affecting younger and younger people in greater numbers every year.

Simply stated, without inflammation being present in the body, there is no way that cholesterol would accumulate in the wall of the blood vessel and cause heart disease and strokes. Without inflammation, cholesterol would move freely throughout the body as nature intended. It is inflammation that causes cholesterol to become trapped.

Inflammation is not complicated — it is quite simply your body's natural defense to a foreign invader such as a bacteria, toxin or virus. The cycle of inflammation is perfect in how it protects your body from these bacterial and viral invaders. However, if we chronically expose the body to injury by toxins or foods the human body was never designed to process, a condition occurs called chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation is just as harmful as acute inflammation is beneficial.

What thoughtful person would willfully expose himself repeatedly to foods or other substances that are known to cause injury to the body? Well, smokers perhaps, but at least they made that choice willfully.

The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream diet that is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. This repeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity. Let me repeat that. The injury and inflammation in our blood vessels is caused by the low fat diet that has been recommended for years by mainstream medicine.

What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.

In Part 2 of this two-part article, I'll discuss which foods cause inflammation, how those foods trigger the inflammatory process, and the foods to eat that will cure inflammation.

[Ed. Note: Dr. Dwight Lundell is the past Chief of Staff and Chief of Surgery at Banner Heart Hospital, Mesa, AZ. His private practice, Cardiac Care Center was in Mesa, AZ. Recently Dr. Lundell left surgery to focus on the nutritional treatment of heart disease. He is the founder of Healthy Humans Foundation that promotes human health with a focus on helping large corporations promote wellness. He is the author of The Cure For Heart Disease and The Great Cholesterol Lie.

http://www.totalhealthbreakthroughs.com/2009/02/heart-surgeon-admits-huge-mistake/

 

[tiznow]

i agree fat isn't bad

if a bulk of your intake of fat is non saturated....

plus that's just one dude's opinion

i agree a low fat diet doesn't help your heart and studies have shown that

and speaking of mediterraean diet here's another recent study

many studies have shown that its good for the heart.....

plus a mediterraean diet isn't zero saturated fat...its just that the fatty foods you do eat has a very high percentage of unsaturated fats

and the bold goes into what the above guy was talking about as far as inflammation goes in a low fat diet

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TUESDAY, Feb. 10 (HealthDay News) -- Chalk up another endorsement for the so-called Mediterranean diet: The eating regimen, which is rich in fruits, vegetables, fish and olive oil, may help the brain stay sharp into old age, a new study suggests.

Following the healthful diet reduced the risk of getting mild cognitive impairment -- marked by forgetfulness and difficulty concentrating. And it also cut the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease if cognitive impairment was already present, said study lead author Dr. Nikolaos Scarmeas, an assistant professor of neurology at Columbia University Medical Center in New York City.

"We did two different types of analysis," Scarmeas said of the study, published in the February issue of Archives of Neurology.

Previous research has found that people who follow the Mediterranean are at less risk of developing a variety of diseases besides Alzheimer's, including heart disease, cancer and Parkinson's.

The Columbia researchers began the study by evaluating almost 1,400 people without cognitive impairment and 482 people with mild cognitive impairment, and then followed them for an average of 4.5 years. The participants -- average age 77 -- also completed a food frequency questionnaire, detailing what they had eaten during the past year.

The researchers divided the participants into three groups -- those who adhered somewhat or not at all to the Mediterranean diet, those who adhered moderately to it, and those who adhered regularly. Then they evaluated the participants' cognitive functioning.

They found that the diet helped in both cases -- preventing mild cognitive impairment and also the risk of further decline, even if people weren't entirely strict in their adherence to the diet.

"As compared to the group that ate very little or not at all of the Mediterranean diet, those who ate it to a moderate degree had 17 percent less risk of developing mild cognitive impairment," Scarmeas said. "Those who adhered a lot had a 28 percent less risk of developing mild cognitive impairment."

The diet also helped those who already had mild impairment. "Compared to those who adhered not at all or very little, those who ate the Mediterranean diet to a moderate degree had a 45 percent reduction in risk going from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's disease. Those who adhered a lot had a 48 percent reduction in risk of going from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's," he said.

Scarmeas said previous research he's carried out found that a greater adherence to the Mediterranean diet was associated with a lower risk of Alzheimer's disease.

It's not known exactly how the diet may help keep the brain healthy, Scarmeas said. One possibility is that it might reduce inflammation, which plays a role in brain disease. Or it might work by improving cardiovascular risk factors such as high cholesterol, he said.

Two experts who reviewed the study put their perspective on the findings.

"You see what is called a dose response. The more stringently you follow the Mediterranean diet, the better the outcome," noted Dr. Gary Kennedy, director of geriatric psychiatry at Montefiore Medical Center in New York City.

Alice Lichtenstein, Gershoff Professor of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University in Boston, said: "It's encouraging to see the results -- those reporting the healthier dietary pattern seem to do better." What remains to be seen, she added, is whether it was the specific diet that helped people avoid cognitive decline or if those people who ate properly had other healthy habits that decreased their risk.

All three experts agreed: Until more evidence is in that the Mediterranean diet keeps brains sharp, there are plenty of other reasons to follow it, including heart health.

 

[Mistermj]

i agree fat isn't bad

if a bulk of your intake of fat is non saturated....

plus that's just one dude's opinion

i agree a low fat diet doesn't help your heart and studies have shown that

and speaking of mediterraean diet here's another recent study

many studies have shown that its good for the heart.....

plus a mediterraean diet isn't zero saturated fat...its just that the fatty foods you do eat has a very high percentage of unsaturated fats

and the bold goes into what the above guy was talking about as far as inflammation goes in a low fat diet

----------------------------------------

TUESDAY, Feb. 10 (HealthDay News) -- Chalk up another endorsement for the so-called Mediterranean diet: The eating regimen, which is rich in fruits, vegetables, fish and olive oil, may help the brain stay sharp into old age, a new study suggests.

Following the healthful diet reduced the risk of getting mild cognitive impairment -- marked by forgetfulness and difficulty concentrating. And it also cut the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease if cognitive impairment was already present, said study lead author Dr. Nikolaos Scarmeas, an assistant professor of neurology at Columbia University Medical Center in New York City.

"We did two different types of analysis," Scarmeas said of the study, published in the February issue of Archives of Neurology.

Previous research has found that people who follow the Mediterranean are at less risk of developing a variety of diseases besides Alzheimer's, including heart disease, cancer and Parkinson's.

The Columbia researchers began the study by evaluating almost 1,400 people without cognitive impairment and 482 people with mild cognitive impairment, and then followed them for an average of 4.5 years. The participants -- average age 77 -- also completed a food frequency questionnaire, detailing what they had eaten during the past year.

The researchers divided the participants into three groups -- those who adhered somewhat or not at all to the Mediterranean diet, those who adhered moderately to it, and those who adhered regularly. Then they evaluated the participants' cognitive functioning.

They found that the diet helped in both cases -- preventing mild cognitive impairment and also the risk of further decline, even if people weren't entirely strict in their adherence to the diet.

"As compared to the group that ate very little or not at all of the Mediterranean diet, those who ate it to a moderate degree had 17 percent less risk of developing mild cognitive impairment," Scarmeas said. "Those who adhered a lot had a 28 percent less risk of developing mild cognitive impairment."

The diet also helped those who already had mild impairment. "Compared to those who adhered not at all or very little, those who ate the Mediterranean diet to a moderate degree had a 45 percent reduction in risk going from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's disease. Those who adhered a lot had a 48 percent reduction in risk of going from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's," he said.

Scarmeas said previous research he's carried out found that a greater adherence to the Mediterranean diet was associated with a lower risk of Alzheimer's disease.

It's not known exactly how the diet may help keep the brain healthy, Scarmeas said. One possibility is that it might reduce inflammation, which plays a role in brain disease. Or it might work by improving cardiovascular risk factors such as high cholesterol, he said.

Two experts who reviewed the study put their perspective on the findings.

"You see what is called a dose response. The more stringently you follow the Mediterranean diet, the better the outcome," noted Dr. Gary Kennedy, director of geriatric psychiatry at Montefiore Medical Center in New York City.

Alice Lichtenstein, Gershoff Professor of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University in Boston, said: "It's encouraging to see the results -- those reporting the healthier dietary pattern seem to do better." What remains to be seen, she added, is whether it was the specific diet that helped people avoid cognitive decline or if those people who ate properly had other healthy habits that decreased their risk.

All three experts agreed: Until more evidence is in that the Mediterranean diet keeps brains sharp, there are plenty of other reasons to follow it, including heart health.

I've gone toward a modified Mediterranean style diet myself.

Also got rid of all wheat, sugar and corn products...and the results are amazing. Whole grain bread is really not much better than white. It still just gets converted to sugar. The whole grain thing is kind of a scam too.

Seriously...get rid of the wheat and magic happens with your weight and bloodwork. I've never met anyone that tried it that wasn't also amazed at the results.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

YOU GUYS ARE BOTH WRONG. Japanese women and men live longer and healthier than everyone else on Earth. Eat more fish, vegetables, and fruit; serve smaller portions; eat slowly; and add some healthy options like tofu and rice. FUCK THE MEDITERRANEAN!

 

[steaktartar]

google sugar indexes eat anything under 50 dont eat anything over 50.......ive lost wieght added muscle and my blood sugar is perfect (i used to take glucophage).....mr mj is correct

 

[quantumleap]

I agree, the oversight is sketchy, but no preservatives is the key. And the milk isn't loaded with all the shit that you normally get in regular milk. The biggest factor in my buying is trying to buy locally, with oil eventually going back up and just the need for more consumer control, locally is going to be the way to go.

I can't remember the last time I bought cow's milk. I buy soy milk. I especially like the vanilla flavored soy milk. Even with the sweet taste it has less sugar than regular milk. Lactose is milk sugar.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

I buy milk because i like it. I like cookies and milk. I like Ice Cream. I like cheese. If i was worried about supplementing my diet with calcium, i would just eat fucking Tums.

:cripwalk:

Quantum, refer to post 23 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Mistermj]

YOU GUYS ARE BOTH WRONG. Japanese women and men live longer and healthier than everyone else on Earth. Eat more fish, vegetables, and fruit; serve smaller portions; eat slowly; and add some healthy options like tofu and rice. FUCK THE MEDITERRANEAN!

That's true...it's probably the fish.

I like fish, but every day? Who can do that?

Fish oil capsules are relatively cheap. I take 8 per day and just slashed my risk of heart attack or stroke by 50% for $10 bucks/month.

I have more fish intake than the Japanese that way.The fish oil capsules really bring down your bad cholesterol numbers...and raise the HDL.

You don't need big pharma if you become more proactive about it.Thats the lesson I've learned.

Doctors are giving out statins like M&M's now...it's ridiculous.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

That's true...it's probably the fish.

I like fish, but every day? Who can do that?

Fish oil capsules are relatively cheap. I take 8 per day and just slashed my risk of heart attack or stroke by 50% for $10 bucks/month.

I have more fish intake than the Japanese that way.The fish oil capsules really bring down your bad cholesterol numbers...and raise the HDL.

You don't need big pharma if you become more proactive about it.Thats the lesson I've learned.

Doctors are giving out statins like M&M's now...it's ridiculous.

quoted for truth

 

[tiznow]

garlic supplements good too