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"I really cannot for the life of me believe or understand why we are still (8 months into a pandemic) having to explain the simplest fact that not shutting down would have more than likely caused10's-100's of thousands of unnecessary deaths in Canada until there would have been strict measures put in place against the pandemic. As well the economic effect would have been the same possibly worse as we see in Sweden or in the States the reopened quickly and improperly.
It's like they've seen the scientific data from around the world and what happened early on in China, Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, U.K, just to name a few, see what is still happening in the USA and Brazil just to willfully and ignorantly avoid these simple important scientific data/facts.
 
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"From an offensive lineman at Indiana University dealing with possible heart issues to a University of Houston player opting out of the season because of “complications with my heart,” the news has been coming fast and furiously. More than a dozen athletes at Power Five conference schools have been identified as having myocardial injury following coronavirus infection, according to ESPN; two of the conferences—the Big Ten and the Pac-12—already have announced they are postponing all competitive sports until 2021. And in Major League Baseball, Boston Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez told reporters that he felt “100 years old” as a result of his bout with COVID, and of MLB’s shortened season because of myocarditis—an inflammation of the heart muscle, often triggered by a virus. Said Rodriguez: “That’s [the heart is] the most important part of your body, so when you hear that … I was kind of scared a little. Now that I know what it is, it’s still scary.”

COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms



"Just a few weeks ago, a former Florida State basketball player, Michael Ojo, died of suspected heart complications just after recovering from a bout of COVID-19 in Serbia, where he was playing pro ball."
 
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"[FONT=&quot][h=1]I was infected with coronavirus in March, six months on I’m still unwell[/h]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Charlie Russell, 27, is one of an estimated 600,000 people with post-Covid illness, a condition that may give an insight into ME
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"India faces oxygen scarcity as cases surge

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"If the government doesn't sort out this oxygen crisis quickly we will have a situation like Italy at the peak of the pandemic,"

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-54157983/page/2
 
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"First off, we have not had a lockdown. We've had varying restrictions but at no point have people been forced inside.

Second, we've done a good job of spreading out the load. Instead of an Italy scenario with overflowing hospitals and morgues, we've ended up with with a manageable situation. Governments have the job of balancing various factors and ours have focused on a middle-ground. We have health precautions that fall short of what is required to eliminate the virus while also trying not to harm the economy too badly.

The countries that have done better than us in terms of virus numbers (other than NZ) are cultures where respect for authority is much higher. We're not the US but obviously we have people like you who think that individuality is moire important than society."
 

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Now he's bumping a thread that's already been stuffed up his stupid ass

Only in libtardville is this a thing
 

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where are all those reports about the doom and gloom reports being consistently and significantly overstated?

Might have to start using different sources, or at expand you sources

The results are in, X-HOLE THE LOSER LOST
 
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"Nordic countries and East Asian countries are significantly better at listening and adhering to what their government tells them to do whether it's out of trust or fear, combined with the cultural difference of just being normal behaviour and outlook towards the greater good of the community, it's significantly better to a higher degree than we do here in Canada.

Even with a hard lockdown if it is not strictly enforced than it will be the same issue, as a small percentage of the population acting out for their own selfish wants/gains rather than the greater good of the community will just continue the spread of the virus to others."
 
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Not sure why seemingly good and smart people choose to reside on the dark side


Seemingly getting giddy with any negative story they find


It's more like this is Willie:

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"We had a shutdown of non essential businesses for roughly 3 months (Mid March-Mid to late June) until phase 2, we then started re-opening businesses step by step as that is whats needed to properly combat the spread of the Coronavirus and re-open in a safe manner.
We've been in phase 3 for a few months but unfortunately a small but a significant % who do not have common sense and do not follow the set guidelines have forced the government to roll back some of the openings. This in no way means we are still in lockdown as most businesses other than those in the restaurants/entertainment industry are still open, even those closures are in certain areas and not province wide.
These are the facts don't confuse your opinion with it."

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/if-you-agree-with-the-lockdown-you-are-a-brainwashed-imbecile.726603/page-8#post-6836081
 
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"Experts: COVID-19 herd immunity strategy could lead to 'overwhelming death and devastation' Abby Haglage


Wed, October 14, 2020, 11:34 AM PDTSenior Trump administration officials have reportedly endorsed a reopening strategy that hinges on exposing young, healthy people to COVID-19 in order to protect those at highest risk, the New York Times writes. The plan is aimed at achieving “herd immunity,” defined by the Mayo Clinic as when a “large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely.”


Herd immunity is typically only reached through vaccination, and experts say attempting to attain it without a vaccine — in the midst of a pandemic where as many as 95 percent of Americans aren’t immune — could be disastrous. “Two to 6 million deaths is a perfectly reasonable back-of-the-envelope calculation,” Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, tells Yahoo Life.

When asked about the potential loss of life that could occur from a herd immunity strategy, a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services directed Yahoo Life to a series of tweets from its secretary, Alex Azar. In them, Azar mentions a meeting with Trump’s newest coronavirus adviser, Dr. Scott Atlas, as well as some of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, a petition created by a subset of scientists who believe herd immunity is the best solution.


But this group of scientists — who did not reply to Yahoo Life’s request for comment — are decidedly in the minority. Schaffner, a 50-year-plus veteran of epidemiology, says taking their approach to herd immunity would be playing with fire. “If we leave it to the virus itself, we have to recognize that in many parts of the United States at present, less than 5 percent of people have been infected,” he says. “That means the virus would have to infect a vastly larger number of people to actually achieve herd immunity — at the price of huge amounts of social disruption, sickness, hospitalizations and, obviously, deaths.”


This level of illness, he says, could lead to a catastrophic loss of life. “The price would be enormous,” says Schaffner. “You would be rivaling the 1918 colossal influenza pandemic.” An estimated 50 million people worldwide died from that pandemic, including close to 700,000 people in the U.S. alone. Experts believe that roughly 25 percent of the U.S. population was infected with the virus at the time, leading to a 12-year drop in the average life expectancy rate.


Dr. Dara Kass, Yahoo Life’s medical contributor, believes there are many reasons why herd immunity could be a deadly disaster — not least of them that young, healthy people are not immune from severe illness. “There is a risk of every person getting infected passing away,” Kass says. “It may be smaller for young people than older people, but this is not a riskless infection.”


She notes that other countries, such as New Zealand, have been able to reopen by taking more serious precautions to prevent COVID-19, like enacting rigorous contact tracing programs. Meanwhile, the approach of Sweden, which set out to achieve herd immunity, has been labeled a “disaster” and a “failure,” resulting in one of the highest per capita death rates in the world.


Kass suggests that this example is even more reason to avoid it. “There is no objective evidence that this would work. None,” she says. “What these people are advocating for is a hypothetical that could result in overwhelming death and devastation, with no backing from any public health.” To employ this strategy, she says, would not only put young people at risk but force older and more vulnerable people to have to endure even more isolation — all seemingly in an effort to reopen the country more quickly. “They’re basing this on a hypothetical that makes their lives easier,” says Kass. “It’s lazy.”


Schaffner agrees that those who buy into it are missing the point. “There are always people — and I think more this time, because of the political overtones — who are dubious about the epidemic, who don’t really understand how it’s spread, and who, if they are not personally affected, don’t care very much,” he says. “We have a core of conspiracy theorists in the United States that seem to be with us. So it’s not really surprising. What is surprising is that there are people supporting it who seem to have some scientific background. I find it stunning.”


Although some may continue to argue that herd immunity has been achieved with other infections, such as measles, Schaffner says proponents of that theory are misguided. “They forget the price. Before we had a measles vaccine, 500 children died each year in the United States of measles and its complications,” he says. “That’s the price of herd immunity. Nature is fierce. It’s not benign.”


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/experts-covid-19-herd-immunity-strategy-could-lead-to-overwhelming-death-and-devastation-183450443.html
 
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bebe said:
Bet most of those would have died within short order without the exisitence of COVID as a result of old age or pre-exisiting medical conditions...

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"It's impossible to make the assessment you have "those would have died within short order without the existence of COVID as a resulte of old age or pre-existing medical conditions"

You simply lack the smallest amount of understanding regarding the Coronavirus and you lack basic empathy towards others.
Facts are those who have died did so due to complications from COVID, and they could have lived 1 day, 1 month, 1 year or even 10 years longer, and that would have valuable to their families.

Trying to downplay those who have died due to COVID is ignorant as it gets as a human being."

Based on excess death data there are over 200,000 extra people dead this year who wouldn't have died this year:

"US Already Had Over 200,000 Excess Deaths This Year, CDC Data Show":

"RONALD D. FRICKER JR., THE CONVERSATION
14 AUGUST 2020

The number of deaths in the United States through July 2020 is 8 percent to 12 percent higher than it would have been if the coronavirus pandemic had never happened.

That's at least 164,937 deaths above the number expected for the first seven months of the year – 16,183 more than the number attributed to COVID-19 thus far for that period – and it could be as high as 204,691."

https://www.sciencealert.com/2020-ha...-the-us-so-far

Moreover death isn't the only concern:

"I was infected with coronavirus in March, six months on I’m still unwell

Charlie Russell, 27, is one of an estimated 600,000 people with post-Covid illness, a condition that may give an insight into ME

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-still-unwell

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/c-19-damaging-the-health-of-many-survivors.723087/


 

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