Does Obama know large corporations employ people?

[Willie99]

Uno, Americans are happy with their own situation. IMHO, that's pretty solid evidence that things are not as bad as the media is telling you. An that level of content as been consistent since the end of the Carter era, when it was at it's all time low.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the Dec. 6-9, 2007, poll, 84% of Americans say they are satisfied with the way things are going in their personal life at this time, while 14% are dissatisfied. These results have been fairly stable since Gallup first started tracking Americans' personal life satisfaction in 1979. The percentage of Americans who say they are satisfied with their personal life has averaged 82% over this period, with a low of 73% in July 1979 and a high of 88% in December 2004. (It is worth noting that in the same Dec. 6-9 survey only 27% of Americans said they were satisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time, providing a vivid contrast between Americans' view of things "out there" across the country and their view of their own personal lives.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------

furthermore, Americans do think the economy is poor. So why are people content but concerned? because the media is telling them their neighbors are suffering, that's why.

Things are not perfect, never will be. We cannot legislate utopia, so don't bother trying. We can only provide an opportunity, and that exists without debate in our country and it has existed in our country at each and every point in time.

 

[tiznow]

So why are people content but concerned? because the media is telling them their neighbors are suffering, that's why.

:lolBIG:

keep playing the role of eternal optimist willie you play it so well.....

10th bank of the year failed today....nother 250-350 million estimated outta FDIC coffers....yawn

 

[tiznow]

lots of boats being raised... seriously the many are hurting right now while the few make more than they have ever before.

the rising tide is drowning some of the other boats. small business owners cannot pass along price increases fast enough, or at all, due to the price of fuel. medium sized companies can hardly afford to offer insurance to their employees because the premium continues to climb while the copay goes up...

the insurance companies, the doctors and the drug companies are in boats that are being raised by the tide but the guy who lost his benefits because his company could not afford to cover more than 25% of the premium and he can't afford the extra hundred bucks a month because he is spending it in gas... that guy is drowning.

a rising tide used to lift all boats but times change and you have to change with them. generalizations will lead to blind ignorance and blind ignorance will lead to more of the same a few boats going up and the rest capsizing trying to figure out how to stay afloat.

more taxes of corporations terrifies me... who ultimately pays for those taxes? i hear ya... what scares me more is if nothing changes. if we keep waiting for the market to correct itself. for competition to lower premiums, prices, gallons... how irresponsible is it tho to opt for 4 more years of sitting back and hoping something will happen when there is a chance you can put someone else in place that might force something to happen.

anyway i am sure i am wrong and you are all right but i know that the many are hurting and the few are thriving and it would be nice if somehow that leveled out a little bit.

system just needs a good flushing out uno

prices of everything got to high because of housing bubbles and easy debt

now that our consumer debt lines have run dry we are starting to realize our wages aren't keeping up with inflation

so prices must fall

all obama or anybody can do is throw more BAD debt at the problem trying to keep prices afloat....that's what got us into the mess anyway

we got drunk now its time to sober up....the solution isn't to keep drinking

 

[Uno]

Uno, Americans are happy with their own situation. IMHO, that's pretty solid evidence that things are not as bad as the media is telling you. An that level of content as been consistent since the end of the Carter era, when it was at it's all time low.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the Dec. 6-9, 2007, poll, 84% of Americans say they are satisfied with the way things are going in their personal life at this time, while 14% are dissatisfied. These results have been fairly stable since Gallup first started tracking Americans' personal life satisfaction in 1979. The percentage of Americans who say they are satisfied with their personal life has averaged 82% over this period, with a low of 73% in July 1979 and a high of 88% in December 2004. (It is worth noting that in the same Dec. 6-9 survey only 27% of Americans said they were satisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time, providing a vivid contrast between Americans' view of things "out there" across the country and their view of their own personal lives.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------

furthermore, Americans do think the economy is poor. So why are people content but concerned? because the media is telling them their neighbors are suffering, that's why.

Things are not perfect, never will be. We cannot legislate utopia, so don't bother trying. We can only provide an opportunity, and that exists without debate in our country and it has existed in our country at each and every point in time.

i'm not going to argue with opinion or polls. just like the poll and the opinion it accomplishes nothing. what i will do is tell you what i see and live day in and day out.

people are choosing between filling up their cars, buying groceries and opting out of their all time high insurance premiums.

restaurants that have functioned profitably for 15 years are closing their doors because the cost of goods is out of control.

profits are down, prices are up. commissions and subsides are drying up so less is being spent.

i don't need the media to tell me about my neighbor i can see them lose their home to foreclosure.

i don't need polls or opinions to tell me what i am living.

 

[tiznow]

don't listen to willie uno

he lives the high life and has no idea what the normal joe is going through right now

 

[Devilsadvocate+]

lots of boats being raised... seriously the many are hurting right now while the few make more than they have ever before.

the rising tide is drowning some of the other boats. small business owners cannot pass along price increases fast enough, or at all, due to the price of fuel. medium sized companies can hardly afford to offer insurance to their employees because the premium continues to climb while the copay goes up...

the insurance companies, the doctors and the drug companies are in boats that are being raised by the tide but the guy who lost his benefits because his company could not afford to cover more than 25% of the premium and he can't afford the extra hundred bucks a month because he is spending it in gas... that guy is drowning.

So how does it help all of us to raise the cost of doing business? Results will be fewer jobs available, smaller raises or wage freezes, continued outsourcing, higher prices to the end user, and ultimately fewer overall tax dollars and higher national debts. Your post proves original poster's points.

 

[Willie99]

don't listen to willie uno

he lives the high life and has no idea what the normal joe is going through right now

I wish tizspindoom. You see, I have to keep working, keep the pedal to the metal or I'm fucked, so I keep the pedal to the metal. I know what the "high life" is, and I aspire to get there myself. I don't want their money, I want my own.

I know Barack Obama ain't going to do it for me.:missingte

My parents started in the lower middle class and worked themselves into the middle class. I moved into the upper middle class. Hopefully my kids move into the lower upper class, that's how families can & do evolve in this great country.

 

[Willie99]

Some people in this thread have cited problems they believe exist. I might suggest that they have exaggerated their positions, but that's not what is at issue here. Even if such problems exist and to the extent claimed, government is not going to fix them. Government compounds problems.

If you take hundreds of billions of dollars away from businesses, people are going to lose their jobs and new businesses will open for business elsewhere. That should be very easy for even a far left liberal to comprehend, it's not rocket science.

The problem we have is that so many people want government to manage their lives using other peoples' money. It's so easy for many to accept, it's a cheap an easy sell, and it's a self-defeating prophecy. It ain't going to happen.

 

[Uno]

devils advocate - learn how to quote... that post is a disaster. the point is the route we have taken has been a failure and to quote Einstein:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

If we got here with a republican why the hell would we put another one in his place?

Unless you are Willie and you think the gas price and foreclosure problems are just exaggerations... Unless you are McCain the economy is doing well.

No need to exaggerate.. If there was I would be more than willing to stick with the party I have always stuck with.

Saying something like "If you increase taxes on business people are going to lose their jobs and businesses will go else where" is not true either.

If they do someone will sprout up in their place.

The problem is not people wanting gov't to manage their lives, that is just another typical overstatement... The problem is people NEED gov't to help. You can't just say DARWINISM, OTSS, fuck the poor old people who die, they were weak... we still have the wealthy old people who can afford health care and treatment. fuck the guy who can't fill up his car and his fridge, big Willie is doing alright. Fuck the single mom who cannot afford childcare and healthcare, she is weak, she is poor, she is single... i am sure it was her fault.

People are not wanting the gov't to manage their lives. People are wanting gov't to help and if it is at the expense of the people who can afford to help then so be it. It is at my expense, as well as every other tax payer, that we are fighting in Iraq. Helping Iraqis. It is at my expense that we now have a failed education system that puts the emphasis on a test instead of a kid... My tax dollars pay for a ton of stuff some I agree with and a lot I don't that does not mean they should not go to helping those who are in need.

I am sure I have given you plenty of crap to retort to and feel free but my point is I don't need to read on some republican talking points website that polls say people are happy and satisfied... people are hurting, can't exaggerate that.

 

[Willie99]

96% of mortgages are being paid on time, slightly less than historical averages. We've been here before, less than 20 years ago, and we survived and prospered.

Economy grew over 3% last quarter, unemployment still lowest (or near the lowest) in the world. The economy is not perfect, never will be, but it's far better than the Democratic propaganda machine is telling you 24/7.

How does the POTUS control the worldwide price of oil again? What policies have your heros put on the table already? Release reserves? a short term drop in the bucket? Your heros are obstructionists, although they certainly are doing a great spin job now.

If you take money from business, people will lose jobs. that is a fact of life. If you discourage businesses from opening business in your backyard, somebody else will take them with open arms. It's so true it's not funny, it's life 101.

You need balance in life. We don't need a new government program every time somebody has a bad day. Every government solution creates more problems. You can't legislate utopia, you can't prevent bad things from happening to good people. You can only provide an opportunity for people to succeed. Barack Obama can't help you, only you can help you.

 

[Risk44]

I wonder what all of you people thought before AM Radio started thinking for you..

 

[Willie99]

I wonder what all of you people thought before AM Radio started thinking for you..

I work in the business world, experience, observation, reality & common sense think for me.

I wonder how you can survive without some politician wiping your ass and feeding your family for you? Or at least promising to do so. :missingte

again

and again

and again and again and again (talk about that insanity thing)

 

[tiznow]

96% of mortgages are being paid on time, slightly less than historical averages. We've been here before, less than 20 years ago, and we survived and prospered.

Economy grew over 3% last quarter, unemployment still lowest (or near the lowest) in the world. The economy is not perfect, never will be, but it's far better than the Democratic propaganda machine is telling you 24/7.

How does the POTUS control the worldwide price of oil again? What policies have your heros put on the table already? Release reserves? a short term drop in the bucket? Your heros are obstructionists, although they certainly are doing a great spin job now.

If you take money from business, people will lose jobs. that is a fact of life. If you discourage businesses from opening business in your backyard, somebody else will take them with open arms. It's so true it's not funny, it's life 101.

You need balance in life. We don't need a new government program every time somebody has a bad day. Every government solution creates more problems. You can't legislate utopia, you can't prevent bad things from happening to good people. You can only provide an opportunity for people to succeed. Barack Obama can't help you, only you can help you.

tell this to bush

mr. no child left behind
mr. homeland security
mr. FEMA
mr. ethanol from corn sham subsidies
mr. bear stearns bailout fine by me
mr. i'll sign rebate check bill (it's not a rebate check its a debt check since huge deficit)
mr. i'll sign housing bill to bailout out fnm/fre
list goes on and on......

more coming regardless if mccain gets in office

quit fooling yourself willie

 

[tiznow]

96% of mortgages are being paid on time, slightly less than historical averages.

also get some facts straight too i especially love the less than historical averages part too

worst housing bust since great depression happening right now......

 

[Mistermj]

also get some facts straight too i especially love the less than historical averages part too

worst housing bust since great depression happening right now......

Clinton already set it in motion with the worst stock marrket crash since the Great Depression...thats how the history books will write it.

Not to mention dumping 9/11 in our lap...Osama told us so himself.

Let get this straight who caused these problems.

 

[Willie99]

tell this to bush

mr. no child left behind
mr. homeland security
mr. FEMA
mr. ethanol from corn sham subsidies
mr. bear stearns bailout fine by me
mr. i'll sign rebate check bill (it's not a rebate check its a debt check since huge deficit)
mr. i'll sign housing bill to bailout out fnm/fre
list goes on and on......

more coming regardless if mccain gets in office

quit fooling yourself willie

I support Homeland Security. The primary responsibility of the federal government is security.

I'll never complain when government reduces taxes, that's what the rebate checks represents.

I must be surfing and typing in my sleep again, because I don't remember supporting anything else you listed.

get a grip tizspindoom.

I don't think McCain is going to be some White Knight Conservative, but he's going to be far to the right of Barrack Obama.

Some day, try to quote me with a minimum of accuracy.

 

[Willie99]

also get some facts straight too i especially love the less than historical averages part too

worst housing bust since great depression happening right now......

You may have had even less observation skills during the last housing crisis, so I'll cut you a little slack.

This crisis is sooo fucking baaaad, prices in NYC & Boston increased last month.

After every boom there is an adjustment, you just lack any concept of balance what so ever.

 

[tiznow]

Clinton already set it in motion with the worst stock marrket crash since the Great Depression...thats how the history books will write it.

Not to mention dumping 9/11 in our lap...Osama told us so himself.

Let get this straight who caused these problems.

LOL i always like the blame game

you can blame FNM on FDR

this shit goes way back

but yes the underlying motto is liberalism is to blame.....not gonna deny that

main problem is pubbies acted like liberals in their own respects.....like dubya

 

[tiznow]

You may have had even less observation skills during the last housing crisis, so I'll cut you a little slack.

This crisis is sooo fucking baaaad, prices in NYC & Boston increased last month.

After every boom there is an adjustment, you just lack any concept of balance what so ever.

i'm talking as a whole not out east jeesh

of course NYC holding up banksters got a lifeline from the fed

as for joe six pack in the rest of the country not so much

i lack a concept of balance? you should look in the mirror

i'm not saying i'm not biased to the bearish side....but you are just as biased if not more (since prices of equities and homes continue to fall as we have this continuous debate) than me to the bullish side

 

[tiznow]

I'll never complain when government reduces taxes, that's what the rebate checks represents.

if we had a budget surplus yes i agree

but in our situation it is just more federal debt

deficit screaming higher as dubya leaves office