Do you want to make a statement against race cheats?

[Michelangelo]

I, for one, would never condone the use of any drug that puts a horse's life in jeopardy.

I would prefer, like Jack, that the game was cleaned up.

As a handicapper I have to navigate around this stuff. That puts me at a handicapping disadvantage because nobody tells you when their horse is doped.

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Now I have a new question for you guys who are savvy as to how these drugs can improve performance when used.

I think we have to assume that Medina Spirit will run clean of any performance enhancing drug come Saturday. (True?)

And if my assumption is correct is that likely to mean that the horse runs up the track (runs like crap)?

 

[GreenTreeSports]

1st Michel the drug he got busted for was not a Performance drug it is
a medium-strength anti-inflammatory corticosteroid that helps reduce swelling
so to answer your question NO I DONT THINK HE WILL RUN LIKE CRAP

 

[GreenTreeSports]

Now Michal you want to talk about performance enhancing drug lets go back to the 80's
whatever Oscar Barrera was useing went undetected on The most famous of all was Shifty Sheik, a $35,000 claim in 1984 who won three straight in 13 days for Barrera, then took 10 days off before jumping into Grade 1 company and almost beating champion Slew o' Gold in the Woodward Stakes

 

[MrGandT]

While I’m disgusted with trainers doing that kind of chit to horses, I won’t be boycotting the Preakness. I just won’t bet on Medina even if he is the most likely winner. If you are going to boycott The Preakness because of this, then you need to boycott horse racing all together. You just don’t know which trainer is going to cross the line. Money talks!! That’s my two cents.

 

[ninjatactics]

Prof I appreciate posting daily race cards and I have a lot of respect for all the horse players at Rx

Some of Best handicappers right here in this forum.

What’s worse killing off horses or a jockey holdin back a horse on ya on that final leg of Pick 4 ?

 

[Melniko]

Any of you ever read Dick Francis novels? I swear sometimes that's what this whole thing sounds like. Truth can be stranger than fiction...

 

[MrGandT]

Prof I appreciate posting daily race cards and I have a lot of respect for all the horse players at Rx

Some of Best handicappers right here in this forum.

What’s worse killing off horses or a jockey holdin back a horse on ya on that final leg of Pick 4 ?

Or your Pick 6 ticket!!

 

[Saddlesore]

:smoking:


Yes Professor as i expected the horse racing community are a bunch of Jackasses

 

[Jack1999]

While I’m disgusted with trainers doing that kind of chit to horses, I won’t be boycotting the Preakness. I just won’t bet on Medina even if he is the most likely winner. If you are going to boycott The Preakness because of this, then you need to boycott horse racing all together. You just don’t know which trainer is going to cross the line. Money talks!! That’s my two cents.

agreed good take Mr. G&T.

 

[Prof_Factor]

Prof I appreciate posting daily race cards and I have a lot of respect for all the horse players at Rx

Some of Best handicappers right here in this forum.

What’s worse killing off horses or a jockey holdin back a horse on ya on that final leg of Pick 4 ?

Doesn't seem comparable to me.
Kill a horse? Or kill your ticket?

 

[Prof_Factor]

agreed good take Mr. G&T.

I disagree because you can KNOW who is doing what. And I do boycott tracks that cater to life threatening drug cheats.
I never played Monmouth because of Navarro and never played Southern Cal because of Baffert.

But you can KNOW if you cared to do the research.

 

[Prof_Factor]

While I’m disgusted with trainers doing that kind of chit to horses, I won’t be boycotting the Preakness. I just won’t bet on Medina even if he is the most likely winner. If you are going to boycott The Preakness because of this, then you need to boycott horse racing all together. You just don’t know which trainer is going to cross the line. Money talks!! That’s my two cents.

You can know if you do the research. To me there is a difference in the type of drugs being used. And the people using them.
And there are tracks I will not play because they condone it.

 

[Prof_Factor]

And besides, I suggested the Preakness because it is in the media and EVERYBODY knows.

 

[Jack1999]

I disagree because you can KNOW who is doing what. And I do boycott tracks that cater to life threatening drug cheats.
I never played Monmouth because of Navarro and never played Southern Cal because of Baffert.

But you can KNOW if you cared to do the research.

I see what you are saying but you will never really KNOW for sure who's drugging IMO. Yeah the obvious ones maybe

 

[Prof_Factor]

I see what you are saying but you will never really KNOW for sure who's drugging IMO. Yeah the obvious ones maybe

This is where I differ from most. I don't need a smoking gun. I trust data evidence so much so that I bet on it.
Case with the Preakness, we all know.

 

[GreenTreeSports]

professor is back from the old days of Woody Stevens Mac Miller the Giant killer Alan jerkins Jimmy toner Frank Martin or the old man I had the pleasure of working for Walter Kelly these trainers all had the same thing in common they gave a s*** about their horse and the integrity of horse racing the day they legalized lasix is the day they open the door up professor I'm with you I miss those trainers I miss them days but nowadays you've got scientists creating drugs to hide under the lasix that's inside them

 

[Prof_Factor]

I see what you are saying but you will never really KNOW for sure who's drugging IMO. Yeah the obvious ones maybe

And I'm talking about different type drugs ...... the more lethal type. But since hasn't been proven to exist, people here will just clump it all together as one. Like there is no difference in robbery and murder. It's all criminally equal.
I think there are differences in degrees of cheats, and drug uses.

 

[Prof_Factor]

professor is back from the old days of Woody Stevens Mac Miller the Giant killer Alan jerkins Jimmy toner Frank Martin or the old man I had the pleasure of working for Walter Kelly these trainers all had the same thing in common they gave a s*** about their horse and the integrity of horse racing the day they legalized lasix is the day they open the door up professor I'm with you I miss those trainers I miss them days but nowadays you've got scientists creating drugs to hide under the lasix that's inside them

Thumbs up

 

[MrGandT]

I disagree because you can KNOW who is doing what. And I do boycott tracks that cater to life threatening drug cheats.
I never played Monmouth because of Navarro and never played Southern Cal because of Baffert.

But you can KNOW if you cared to do the research.

You can do all the reason the world, to me, you never who is gonna jump the fence

 

[Michelangelo]

I, for one, would never condone the use of any drug that puts a horse's life in jeopardy.

I would prefer, like Jack, that the game was cleaned up.

As a handicapper I have to navigate around this stuff. That puts me at a handicapping disadvantage because nobody tells you when their horse is doped.

///

Now I have a new question for you guys who are savvy as to how these drugs can improve performance when used.

I think we have to assume that Medina Spirit will run clean of any performance enhancing drug come Saturday. (True?)

And if my assumption is correct is that likely to mean that the horse runs up the track (runs like crap)?

1st Michel the drug he got busted for was not a Performance drug it is
a medium-strength anti-inflammatory corticosteroid that helps reduce swelling
so to answer your question NO I DONT THINK HE WILL RUN LIKE CRAP

Swelling creates pain, GT.

So if the drug in his system was allowed up to 14 days before the race (which clearly makes it non-lethal), and does not improve performance, what am I missing?

What does the "cheating" gain Baffert and his horse?