I said I'm not a Favre hater at all and he didn't hurt me by blowing a game that caused me to feel bitter towards him. I just think of how many times he just throws the ball up in the air and has to have his recievers make plays. Its ridiculous. Go back and look at the td's against seattle and the two against philly and the javon walker catch against philly. They are all jump balls and his recievers came down with them. Same thing as the int in overtime, he just threw it up there.
almly,
If your all in play this week is on Carolina it is in grave danger bud, much better play is all in on Philly moneyline in this one, not sure they definately cover, but bank the moneyline. If Philly was going to lose before the SB, it was last week.
As far as Farve, of course media hypes him too much, but there is no doubt he has had one of the best careers at QB in modern football, career not year or years. His consecutive game streak alone in today's game is simply absurd. Yes, he slings it into double\triple coverage and gets burned on this a lot, but he comes out ahead way more overall. These guys behind center have split seconds to make a throw before the reciever is within 5 steps or more or have even made a friggin cut for christ's sake. 80% of the viewers are watching the end result of these plays on TV; enamored with instant replay, and not the fundamentals of the play and how it developed or why it didn't.
If your all in play this week is on Carolina it is in grave danger bud, much better play is all in on Philly moneyline in this one, not sure they definately cover, but bank the moneyline. If Philly was going to lose before the SB, it was last week.
As far as Farve, of course media hypes him too much, but there is no doubt he has had one of the best careers at QB in modern football, career not year or years. His consecutive game streak alone in today's game is simply absurd. Yes, he slings it into double\triple coverage and gets burned on this a lot, but he comes out ahead way more overall. These guys behind center have split seconds to make a throw before the reciever is within 5 steps or more or have even made a friggin cut for christ's sake. 80% of the viewers are watching the end result of these plays on TV; enamored with instant replay, and not the fundamentals of the play and how it developed or why it didn't.
First of all, Jinn you are a frigging clown. I dont live in Minnesota anymore and am not a big Vikings fan by any means. I lost my love during Greens reign. If you actually think that has anything to do with my argument youre seriously a fool.
I havent been seriously watching football for 30 years but great QB's of my time I would say Montana and Elway but to tell you the truth I havent been studying QB performances closely for that long.
Bottom line, the dumb ass media and moronic fans that do not have any intelligence of their own give Favre way too much credit. He has blown way too many games on flat out ignorant decisions to be considered great.
Islander, Philly is going to get beat. That simple. I'm 7-0 in the playoffs. Take my word for it.
I havent been seriously watching football for 30 years but great QB's of my time I would say Montana and Elway but to tell you the truth I havent been studying QB performances closely for that long.
Bottom line, the dumb ass media and moronic fans that do not have any intelligence of their own give Favre way too much credit. He has blown way too many games on flat out ignorant decisions to be considered great.
Islander, Philly is going to get beat. That simple. I'm 7-0 in the playoffs. Take my word for it.
Well Almly, your argument is a poor argument, especially if you say you haven't watched football for the last 30 years.
I recently looked at 19 quarterbacks over the years (I'm sure I missed some) but the list comprised of:
Favre
Young
Montana
Marino
Elway
Manning
McNair
Kelly
Unitas
Aikman
Starr
Staubach
Tarkenton
Dawson
Bradshaw
Simms
Namath
Stabler
Fouts
Obviously, the only way to compare these guys is based on per game numbers and averages seeing the different time frames also produced different styles of play. I looked at the following:
Games played
TD/INT Ratio
TD/Game
INT/Game
QB Rating
INT/PASS ATTEMPTS (Obviously a qb who throws more is also suspectible to more int's so a percentage of pass attempts probably tells the best story)
Favre is 6th in games played (Again out of 19)
Favre is 4th in TD-INT Ratio
Favre is 1st in TD/Game
Favre is 11th in INT/Game (Ahead of the greats Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas (He's won a few games), Dan Fouts
Favre is 5th in quarterback rating, which rates how effective a qb is
Faver is 7th in interceptions thrown when compared to how many passes he has thrown.
In comparing Favre to Elway, who you said was a great quarterback, Favre will be very close in games played after next season, has a better TD/INT Ratio, passed for a lot more TD/Game (1.79 to 1.28), Favre did throw more interceptions per game, has a better quarterback rating (86.9 to 79.9), and has basically thrown the same percentage of interceptions when compared to pass attempts.
Favre's teams have NEVER been below .500.
I don't understand the argument. If a great quarterback leads his teams to wins, then Favre has done that, by never having a below .500 season. If a great quarterback shows up every day, Favre has done that by not missing a game for 12-13 seasons. If a great quarterback wins Super Bowls, Favre has done that. If a great quarterback is somebody with great numbers, there aren't many that have better numbers than Favre, and most won't when he is done playing.
And people will point out Favre isn't the same quarterback he was many years ago. That's a bunch of bs too. The previous two years, his interception when compared to pass attempts was extremely low (2.9%). This year it was higher (4.1%). His quarterback rating over the last three years has been extremely high - 90.8, 85.6 and 94.1. His TD/Game and TD/INT Ratio have been outstanding the last three years. And his teams are 36-17 over the last three years. That's a 68% win percentage.
You take the good with the bad with Favre and there are plenty more goods than bads.
I recently looked at 19 quarterbacks over the years (I'm sure I missed some) but the list comprised of:
Favre
Young
Montana
Marino
Elway
Manning
McNair
Kelly
Unitas
Aikman
Starr
Staubach
Tarkenton
Dawson
Bradshaw
Simms
Namath
Stabler
Fouts
Obviously, the only way to compare these guys is based on per game numbers and averages seeing the different time frames also produced different styles of play. I looked at the following:
Games played
TD/INT Ratio
TD/Game
INT/Game
QB Rating
INT/PASS ATTEMPTS (Obviously a qb who throws more is also suspectible to more int's so a percentage of pass attempts probably tells the best story)
Favre is 6th in games played (Again out of 19)
Favre is 4th in TD-INT Ratio
Favre is 1st in TD/Game
Favre is 11th in INT/Game (Ahead of the greats Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas (He's won a few games), Dan Fouts
Favre is 5th in quarterback rating, which rates how effective a qb is
Faver is 7th in interceptions thrown when compared to how many passes he has thrown.
In comparing Favre to Elway, who you said was a great quarterback, Favre will be very close in games played after next season, has a better TD/INT Ratio, passed for a lot more TD/Game (1.79 to 1.28), Favre did throw more interceptions per game, has a better quarterback rating (86.9 to 79.9), and has basically thrown the same percentage of interceptions when compared to pass attempts.
Favre's teams have NEVER been below .500.
I don't understand the argument. If a great quarterback leads his teams to wins, then Favre has done that, by never having a below .500 season. If a great quarterback shows up every day, Favre has done that by not missing a game for 12-13 seasons. If a great quarterback wins Super Bowls, Favre has done that. If a great quarterback is somebody with great numbers, there aren't many that have better numbers than Favre, and most won't when he is done playing.
And people will point out Favre isn't the same quarterback he was many years ago. That's a bunch of bs too. The previous two years, his interception when compared to pass attempts was extremely low (2.9%). This year it was higher (4.1%). His quarterback rating over the last three years has been extremely high - 90.8, 85.6 and 94.1. His TD/Game and TD/INT Ratio have been outstanding the last three years. And his teams are 36-17 over the last three years. That's a 68% win percentage.
You take the good with the bad with Favre and there are plenty more goods than bads.
good points sixth sense. favre could stop playing right now and he would be considered one of the best of all time. second in td's all time. hasn't missed a start in his career. he has a ring and he's a winner. and the only 3 time mvp. he can make mistakes but you can't take away what he's done. so **** off!
almly,
You going to LV for SB? If so and you want a little friendly moneyline wager let me know. I recall from your post during wild card you were at Luxor. We'll meet at Mandolyn Bay to settle, winner pays for drinks/lunch whatever out of winnings. I'm good for up to a nickel.
You going to LV for SB? If so and you want a little friendly moneyline wager let me know. I recall from your post during wild card you were at Luxor. We'll meet at Mandolyn Bay to settle, winner pays for drinks/lunch whatever out of winnings. I'm good for up to a nickel.
I havent read all the responses but i was just watching the replay of the Niners/bengals superbowl from the 80's. It was a great game, and montana did lead them to the win. but late in the game with the niners in the red zone montana threw an AWFUL pass that should have been picked off by the bengal DB. The guy let it go right through his hands. You could see the life get sucked out of the bengals on that play. I can still see sam wyche hunched over like he was kicked below the belt. I think it was the next play when the niners scored a TD. No one is perfect. not even montana.
Personally, I think it is quite difficult to judge a quarterback without taking into the account the QB's supporting cast. As an example, how good was Joe Montana in Kansas City? Or Steve Young when he wasnt with the 49ers? Remember how people were talking about Kurt Warner as being one of the 'greatest QBs' during the Rams Superbowl run and when they had Marshall Faulk and receivers in the prime of their careers? Without a good supporting cast, no QB would look great and would make some 'dumb' plays. I do think that in general, Favre does take more chances with 'iffy' passes than most other QBs and that's why he makes more 'dumb' plays. But on the other hand, he seems to make more 'big' plays too.....
