I am in no way a Bible thumper. Most days, I find it hard to believe in God, with all the shit going on in this world. But then I think about things, and know at least that there is a Creator of some sort. There has to be. The scientists are realizing that it is the only explanation of how the universe came to be. I've been turned off by the hypocrisy and judgment of many Christians, and much of the time have wanted nothing to do with Christianity. But I will say that the few true Christian friends that I have live with a peace most of us have never known. And to say that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross is just a wrong statement. That's documented fact, and not even hard to believe, since it was done all the time in those days. We have to face the fact that Jesus Christ was and will always be the most famous person in the history of the world. Our dating system will always refer to BC and AD. That is astounding to me. So, for those who don't believe and don't want to, I hear ya. To much of a degree, I'm still there today. But I think it's one thing worth considering, and I know for me, I can't afford to be wrong about eternity. Just my two cents.
Hey Brock,
I've been reading the website(lisa shea) that you linked in your first post. This is cut and pasted from there...
"The Council of Nicaea in 325 is a well documented council that was trying to find common ground on the teachings of "Is Jesus Divine" or "Is Jesus Human". Both were being taught as true. The council decided 297 to 3 to sign a document that Jesus was indeed divine. And in fact, this wasn't the main purpose of the council - the main purpose was to determine if Father and Son were "equal" or if one was "higher" than the other. In any case, this wasn't a "revelation" or a "close call" as the book states. It was simply them settling on which of the two very popular beliefs to stand."
...I'm pretty proud of myself, I posted just about the same information from memory, of course I can't remember what I had for breakfast this AM. This website is actually very interesting, did you notice the part about the errors in the Da Vince code book? Now I notice from another post of yours that you are reading another similar book, the Messianic Legacy. I hope these books stimulate your quest for knowledge about God, but don't limit yourself to only this type of literature. If you sincerely search for God, He will find you.
I've been reading the website(lisa shea) that you linked in your first post. This is cut and pasted from there...
"The Council of Nicaea in 325 is a well documented council that was trying to find common ground on the teachings of "Is Jesus Divine" or "Is Jesus Human". Both were being taught as true. The council decided 297 to 3 to sign a document that Jesus was indeed divine. And in fact, this wasn't the main purpose of the council - the main purpose was to determine if Father and Son were "equal" or if one was "higher" than the other. In any case, this wasn't a "revelation" or a "close call" as the book states. It was simply them settling on which of the two very popular beliefs to stand."
...I'm pretty proud of myself, I posted just about the same information from memory, of course I can't remember what I had for breakfast this AM. This website is actually very interesting, did you notice the part about the errors in the Da Vince code book? Now I notice from another post of yours that you are reading another similar book, the Messianic Legacy. I hope these books stimulate your quest for knowledge about God, but don't limit yourself to only this type of literature. If you sincerely search for God, He will find you.
PROPAGANDA has been a powerful TOOL for thousands of years...no doubt about that.
Now being that said...it can be used for GOOD and and be used for BAD.
BUT who decides HOW to use it??? WHO?
In today's time PROPAGANDA is even more powerful than ever and it's used everyday and night....from the evening news to the FAKE politicians that FOOLS actually believe in.
If you find yourself debating or arguing on politics your are a LOST FOOL as WHO knows what the real truth is behind the politicians and their rhetoric as they only let you see and hear what "they think" will motivate you and they NEVER will let you know what really is motovating them. Never.
They are out to only FEATHER their own nest. Nothing more and NOTHING less. They are not there to help you or your neighbor.
Once you realize this and truly understand it you are now the wiseman that can now STOP wasting your time on them and the B.S. and can spend more time on bettering and strengthing yourself. Which will evetually make this a better country with LESS FOOLS.
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Beezelbub's Tales to His Grandson...
Now being that said...it can be used for GOOD and and be used for BAD.
BUT who decides HOW to use it??? WHO?
In today's time PROPAGANDA is even more powerful than ever and it's used everyday and night....from the evening news to the FAKE politicians that FOOLS actually believe in.
If you find yourself debating or arguing on politics your are a LOST FOOL as WHO knows what the real truth is behind the politicians and their rhetoric as they only let you see and hear what "they think" will motivate you and they NEVER will let you know what really is motovating them. Never.
They are out to only FEATHER their own nest. Nothing more and NOTHING less. They are not there to help you or your neighbor.
Once you realize this and truly understand it you are now the wiseman that can now STOP wasting your time on them and the B.S. and can spend more time on bettering and strengthing yourself. Which will evetually make this a better country with LESS FOOLS.
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Beezelbub's Tales to His Grandson...
Sorry, should have said Christians.
The entire group of christian religions is based purely in faith that Jesus was the Messiah. Then all arguments transpire shrouded in doubts of that faith or different interpretations within the segments of christianity regarding the rules of that faith.
I still remember a high school speech class where someone raised legtimate questions to which the primary response was that you needed to have faith to believe in christian religions, not much in the way of hard proof but faith. A christian friend of mine (I did not give the speech) became visibly upset during the presentatin and aftermath.
So yes, I chuckle when faith, the basis for that faith, and the degrees and interpretations of that faith, occur amongst christians.
hope that makes a little sense
The entire group of christian religions is based purely in faith that Jesus was the Messiah. Then all arguments transpire shrouded in doubts of that faith or different interpretations within the segments of christianity regarding the rules of that faith.
I still remember a high school speech class where someone raised legtimate questions to which the primary response was that you needed to have faith to believe in christian religions, not much in the way of hard proof but faith. A christian friend of mine (I did not give the speech) became visibly upset during the presentatin and aftermath.
So yes, I chuckle when faith, the basis for that faith, and the degrees and interpretations of that faith, occur amongst christians.
hope that makes a little sense
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The DaVinci Code says that the winners of the battles get to write the history. Therefore you have to consider that history is full of plenty of fiction too. With that in mind, perhaps the scriptures contain as much fiction as The DaVinci Code. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There is a tremendous amount of fiction in the good book. The Catholic church had an agenda for choosing the books they wished to be included. They wanted power. That's what religion is about. I don't have any problem with people having faith but religion is for the weak minded.
There is a tremendous amount of fiction in the good book. The Catholic church had an agenda for choosing the books they wished to be included. They wanted power. That's what religion is about. I don't have any problem with people having faith but religion is for the weak minded.
plenty of proof guys, both scientific and historic.. do a little homework... check out the book, "The Handwriting of God" by Grantt Jeffries....
One such proof, the book of Matthew was written in or around 55 AD.. if this is true, then the Gospel of Matthew is probably true.. you see, you cant pass off a lie when so many know the truth.. You could not write a book today and say JFK was the Messiah, that he performed miracles and raised the dead,,,,,,, because too many are alive today that would know it was a lie..
I can tell you that my beleifs are not solely based on faith but some hard evidence.. do some research, you may be surprised..
One such proof, the book of Matthew was written in or around 55 AD.. if this is true, then the Gospel of Matthew is probably true.. you see, you cant pass off a lie when so many know the truth.. You could not write a book today and say JFK was the Messiah, that he performed miracles and raised the dead,,,,,,, because too many are alive today that would know it was a lie..
I can tell you that my beleifs are not solely based on faith but some hard evidence.. do some research, you may be surprised..
SSI, How you do you know you couldn't easily pass off a lie in 55AD? It's not like they had a Zappruder film of the resurrection. It was a totally different world back then and assuming that you can know anything as fact from that period (unless it can be scientifically proven today) is foolish. Those "books" are merely stories. Some facts, some half-true, some fiction. Take it with a grain of salt.
tell me why the Jews circumsize the boys on the 8th day, there is a scientific reason..
tell me how the medical laws of quarantine were practiced by the Jews only.
how did Moses and the Isrealites know about the Laws of hygeine and sanitation 3500 years ago.
the famous french writer Voltaire, a skeptic, often wrote expressing his contempt for the bible and christianity. he had an intense hatred for the word of God because it reminded him that he would someday stand in judgement before God. His sinful arrogance expressed itself in his utter contempt for the scriptures and Christ. Voltaire once wrote a prediction about the future of the Bible more than two centuries ago from his libary in france: "I will go through the forest of the scriptures and girdle all the trees so that in one hundred years Christianity will be but a vanishing memory". Despite his prediction there are more christians alive today than at any other time in history. those who study the stats have found that more than 85,000 people accept Christ as Savior every day around the world. Ironically, despite Voltaires confident prediction about the demise of Christianity, his libary, in which he wrote his false prediction, was acquired years later by the British and Foreign Bible Society. His libary is now filled from floor to ceiling with thousands of copies of the Bible that he hated.
Despite the opposition of Satan and his followers to the scriptures, the Bible remains the most widely read and published book in the world..
tell me how the medical laws of quarantine were practiced by the Jews only.
how did Moses and the Isrealites know about the Laws of hygeine and sanitation 3500 years ago.
the famous french writer Voltaire, a skeptic, often wrote expressing his contempt for the bible and christianity. he had an intense hatred for the word of God because it reminded him that he would someday stand in judgement before God. His sinful arrogance expressed itself in his utter contempt for the scriptures and Christ. Voltaire once wrote a prediction about the future of the Bible more than two centuries ago from his libary in france: "I will go through the forest of the scriptures and girdle all the trees so that in one hundred years Christianity will be but a vanishing memory". Despite his prediction there are more christians alive today than at any other time in history. those who study the stats have found that more than 85,000 people accept Christ as Savior every day around the world. Ironically, despite Voltaires confident prediction about the demise of Christianity, his libary, in which he wrote his false prediction, was acquired years later by the British and Foreign Bible Society. His libary is now filled from floor to ceiling with thousands of copies of the Bible that he hated.
Despite the opposition of Satan and his followers to the scriptures, the Bible remains the most widely read and published book in the world..
D2, its your choice but those letters (one in which Matthew wrote) were passed around from believer to believer and read over and over.. Do you think they would believe a lie..
let me also ask you, how is it that when Christ was crucified on the cross, there were hardly any of his followers on hand. they ran, they hid, even Peter denied him before the romans (3 times)... Yet less than 40 years later they were willing to die for the Man.. Many were put to death when they could have simply denied Jesus.... Why do you think that so many went to their deaths over a lie.. These were people who knew the truth first hand.. something to think about..
let me also ask you, how is it that when Christ was crucified on the cross, there were hardly any of his followers on hand. they ran, they hid, even Peter denied him before the romans (3 times)... Yet less than 40 years later they were willing to die for the Man.. Many were put to death when they could have simply denied Jesus.... Why do you think that so many went to their deaths over a lie.. These were people who knew the truth first hand.. something to think about..
