Crennel *IS* the shittiest coach I've ever seen

[AcesandFaces]

Actually, you're right... he was a dumbass being on/near the 20yd line. It really really torques me off that he didn't go for the TD. #1 it would help me #2 it's the "right" thing to do. Your team has had 2 series all game in PITT Territory... he's giving up a golden chance, the closest he's been, to the goal line... to kick a fg and then try to do it again? FUCK YOU crennel. Someone let this guy go.

Thanks for bringing me back down to earth and realizing how much MORE of a dumbass he is.

Jet--you're post was right on the money originally...it was the wrong thing to do...period. I couldn't believe Al Michaels and John Madden both saying it was the correct thing to do while the Dawg Pound was booing incessently. There is no argument on his behalf in that instance, once he kicked the FG, the game was out of the Browns control.

Good luck with the Eagles tonight!

 

[Jetplane]

<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>09-15-2008 11:23 AM</TD></TR><TR title="Post 5756375" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>dominicdg</TD><TD class=alt2>I cant believe you guys are actually this surprised. He screwed my over last week with the same thing. He kicked a field goal it the 4th qtr 28-7 last week against dallas to. I was on the right side of it tonight. Thanks Romeo for gambling on your team.

He didn't cover last week though... I know, I had tons of DAL action lol. Those little pricks.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>09-15-2008 11:21 AM</TD></TR><TR title="Post 5756372" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>rickdee</TD><TD class=alt2>I know Micheals and Madden said this was the right call but i still don;t know if it was. They hadn't scored all night and then with 3 minutes to play they think they are going to march down and score 7 ? I feel Romeo had plus 7 like i did!

Yeah, exactly. The hell is he thinking? I'm guessing he was a defensive coach in his career cuz it's the only reason a coach would not want to score a TD. I had -6 and I still lost this damn game. I'm glad I kept it at 5.5--my players would have DOMINATED my anus if I gave them more.
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[prodigy]

the field goal attempt against dallas was one of the more ridiculous things ive seen. not only was it a total pussy move, it wasnt even mathematically correct.

as for the field goal yesterday against pittsburgh, i dont have a problem with it. 3 timeouts plus the two minute warning. low scoring game. i think it was the right move. it just didnt work out.

regardless, cleveland has issues right now. their lack of discipline is killing them.

 

[Jetplane]

Prodigy> It didn't help that he used the TO's in an idiotic manner though either. He just keeps piling on more on himself...

 

[AcesandFaces]

the field goal attempt against dallas was one of the more ridiculous things ive seen. not only was it a total pussy move, it wasnt even mathematically correct.

as for the field goal yesterday against pittsburgh, i dont have a problem with it. 3 timeouts plus the two minute warning. low scoring game. i think it was the right move. it just didnt work out.

regardless, cleveland has issues right now. their lack of discipline is killing them.

I want to preface this retort by saying I think you're one of the sharpest guys in this forum.

I understand you saying you don't have a problem with kicking a FG given "3 timeouts plus the two minute warning"....but there are two choices at that point: 1. Kick a FG OR 2. Go for it...the first down.

Given the fact that the Browns had 3 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning to work with (I believe they only had two timeouts..but to your point) and the fact that you are on PITT's 21 yard line...the MUCH more prudent choice is to go for the first down..keep the drive alive and your teams chance to WIN the game alive...again, even if they don't make the first down..you're still in the same boat as you were by making the FG...you still need a TD and you have 3 minutes to play.

Clearly the wrong decision...the FG was meaningless at that juncture in the game.

 

[Jetplane]

I'd justify the FG with 6+ minutes. at 3? against a team that can run the ball? Buenas Noches...

 

[AcesandFaces]

I'd justify the FG with 6+ minutes. at 3? against a team that can run the ball? Buenas Noches...

Exactly..especially given the fact that it was an offensively challenging night to begin with. Did Mr. Crennel REALLY think his team was going to drive for another TD after they supposedly stopped PITT....he needed so many things to go his way (that were out of his control) to win that game once he kicked that FG. Idiotic!

 

[Jetplane]

Yeah, I think we've beat this thing well enough... i feel a little better. Pockets still empty. only other thing we can do is beat Romeo to a bloody pulp to make me feel better.

 

[prodigy]

I want to preface this retort by saying I think you're one of the sharpest guys in this forum.

I understand you saying you don't have a problem with kicking a FG given "3 timeouts plus the two minute warning"....but there are two choices at that point: 1. Kick a FG OR 2. Go for it...the first down.

Given the fact that the Browns had 3 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning to work with (I believe they only had two timeouts..but to your point) and the fact that you are on PITT's 21 yard line...the MUCH more prudent choice is to go for the first down..keep the drive alive and your teams chance to WIN the game alive...again, even if they don't make the first down..you're still in the same boat as you were by making the FG...you still need a TD and you have 3 minutes to play.

Clearly the wrong decision...the FG was meaningless at that juncture in the game.

i dont have a problem with your opinion at all. you make a cogent argument for passing up the FG. all in all, i dont think its an easy decision. you can make a good case for both approaches. the fact that it was 4th/7 should be taken into account as well though. the percentages of converting 4th/7 in the nfl arent particularly good. its not a 4th/2 where you have the run/pass option. its basically pass or bust. tough call. can see it both ways.

 

[knucklecup]

Shut up.

the field goal was the correct choice.

 

[rolltide]

not sure if anyone agrees but each week that goes by with Weis and Crennel makes me believe Belichek is one of the greatest coaches of all time. You have his ex-D coordinator a joke of a coach and a team that has no defense then his ex-O coordinator averaging about 10 ppg with 3 win Notre Dame

 

[rolltide]

as far as the FG it was absolutely the wrong decision. They had only been down that far 1 other time in the game (Pit INT) and, even if you miss on 4th down, Pit was going to have the same field position as they would after the kickoff up 10-6. Basically he decided to leave it all on one final last drive to win, instead of giving them two chances to tie.

don't care one way or the other...steelers won

 

[Trajedy]

worst call ever u go for it

 

[sdf]

for my cle +7 bet, it was the right call

for unbiased observers, going for the TD was the right call but Romeo didnt make it.
and wtf was up with RUN RUN on 1st and 2nd down?

wow

 

[CoolBreeze22]

Thank you Aces and Faces, finally someone who gets it!! I can't believe there are actually people in this thread who think Crennel made the right decision. The Browns had 2 timeouts left, and there was 3:24 left on the clock, they haven't moved the ball at all. If Crennel is kicking a FG in that spot, then he should have been kicking a FG with 8 seconds left in the first half and zero timeouts.

Another bonehead move was Tomlin going for it on 4th and 1 from the Cleveland 42 and they ran the ball wide right, yes they got the first down, but talk about a huge shift in momentum had Cleveland made the stop there. You punt the ball and pin Cleveland deep.

 

[AcesandFaces]

Thank you Aces and Faces, finally someone who gets it!! I can't believe there are actually people in this thread who think Crennel made the right decision. The Browns had 2 timeouts left, and there was 3:24 left on the clock, they haven't moved the ball at all. If Crennel is kicking a FG in that spot, then he should have been kicking a FG with 8 seconds left in the first half and zero timeouts.

Another bonehead move was Tomlin going for it on 4th and 1 from the Cleveland 42 and they ran the ball wide right, yes they got the first down, but talk about a huge shift in momentum had Cleveland made the stop there. You punt the ball and pin Cleveland deep.

I thought it was two timeouts....thank you for clarifying Cool. I'm sure no one here actually believes Romeo (or the O coordinator) made the correct call; I am assuming they're only being devils advocates. Given ALL the circumstances of this particular game...you only had one clear choice at that point.....and that was to go for it on 4th down. It's truly laughable at how poor situational head coaching/ time management has become in the NFL. Like many of you, I watch between 30-40 games per weekend...it's one thing to see bonehead moves in the College Foots (it's quite common place) but in the NFL???...No excuse for it. Crennel and the like should be held to a much higher standard.

I won my Cleveland bet but it galls me to see such stupidity over and over again in the league. I've beaten this horse too long..lol.

Good luck guys :toast:

 

[AcesandFaces]

not sure if anyone agrees but each week that goes by with Weis and Crennel makes me believe Belichek is one of the greatest coaches of all time. You have his ex-D coordinator a joke of a coach and a team that has no defense then his ex-O coordinator averaging about 10 ppg with 3 win Notre Dame

One of the best observations I've ever come across. Not a Pats fan but you have to tip your hat to Belichek and the loss of Brady just adds to the legend. You have a feeling he's going to squeeze every ounce from this team and actually muster 10-12 wins. Great post and I agree! :toast:

 

[prodigy]

once again, we're talking 4th/7. not 4th/short. take the points, play good defense, get the ball back. have a shot to win. thats all you can ask. pittsburgh scored 10 pts yesterday. cleveland killed themselves elsewhere in this game. theres really no clear cut right/wrong as far as the FG goes.

 

[AcesandFaces]

once again, we're talking 4th/7. not 4th/short. take the points, play good defense, get the ball back. have a shot to win. thats all you can ask. pittsburgh scored 10 pts yesterday. cleveland killed themselves elsewhere in this game. theres really no clear cut right/wrong as far as the FG goes.

Prodigy, I think the 4th and 7 is really irrelevant; although I realize the %'s are not that high to convert the 4th and 7, I also feel that kicking the FG, then holding the Steelers on D..to a 3 and out (because that's what the Browns HAD to do at that point) and then getting the ball back and driving the length of the field for a TD is far less probable than extending that game by going for it on the 4th down...and AGAIN...the whole point is this...HAD they gone for it on 4th down and NOT made it..nothing was lost. The Steelers REMAIN deep in their own territory...the Browns STILL had 2 timeouts left..the only thing that was lost was the 3 points (as a result of the coverted FG)..which was quite meaningless at this juncture of the game.

Theoretically, kicking the FG is the correct thing to do..but given every variable in this game, it was the one choice that offered no benefit. There was no benefit from kicking the FG..none. Other than getting under the 6 points of course ;-)

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...but it still pains me to see such mis management in such a performance driven business.

 

[Jetplane]

i dont have a problem with your opinion at all. you make a cogent argument for passing up the FG. all in all, i dont think its an easy decision. you can make a good case for both approaches. the fact that it was 4th/7 should be taken into account as well though. the percentages of converting 4th/7 in the nfl arent particularly good. its not a 4th/2 where you have the run/pass option. its basically pass or bust. tough call. can see it both ways.

I have a decent reply to this:

*IF* you cannot convert it NOW, what makes you think they can convert it later? > heh. With 3 minutes, it's a now or never situation. Shannahan would have gone for it lol > hahahahaha