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Dem's won and we all lost,this fake virus has ruined the Country and economy,no coming back. Congrats Lib's(MOB) you won,you have scared everyone into Socialism,so sad.Now most will look to the Government to protect them,they of course are wrong,but it does not matter,there is no coming back from this.The scum Left was determined to bring down Donald,they found a way,I hate it,but I am a realist,this IS the end of the USA as we know it,glad I am old and it does not affect me much.God Bless all you young guy's,you are in for a much tougher life than you should be,you can blame the Liberals for this,they will control every aspect of your life,just saying the facts,so sad

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I think everyone that keeps buying thinking they have been getting stocks cheap is making a mistake.

Look at it this way:

I am totally ok with missing out on a 5-10% increase sitting on the sidelines.

The reason being that I think right now there is a higher probability of there being a larger downside. I thought this when it started to hit the fan and I continue to believe there is going to be more fallout as the virus continues to spread.

Additionally I thought the market was too high and that a correction was not out of the possibility at all. Now we are seeing that correction plus some additional correction.

There is money to be made but I think it will be a safer opportunity down the road.

The problem is, studies have shown that you can't time the rebound. People end up getting out, and then missing huge upswings that happen quickly.
 

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The problem is, studies have shown that you can't time the rebound. People end up getting out, and then missing huge upswings that happen quickly.

I largely agree with this but when you say you're buying the dip (the opposite of Northern Star stance which has been espoused throughout the thread), you're basically doing the same thing. Market timing. The money you have sitting in cash waiting for a dip is theoretically losing EV to money you could have working in the market. Time in > timing studies show as well.

Unless you just came into a lump sum and don't wanna deep dive or something like that.

Why Buffett "Be greedy when others are fearful" is kinda useless in practical application, how the hell do you define when others are fearful?
 
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I largely agree with this but when you say you're buying the dip (the opposite of Northern Star stance which has been espoused throughout the thread), you're basically doing the same thing. Market timing. The money you have sitting in cash waiting for a dip is theoretically losing EV to money you could have working in the market. Time in > timing studies show as well.

Unless you just came into a lump sum and don't wanna deep dive or something like that.

Why Buffett "Be greedy when others are fearful" is kinda useless in practical application, how the hell do you define when others are fearful?

True... In my case, I'm trying to have a balance % between stocks and bonds, roughly 50/50. And I largely buy and hold. So if stocks drop 20%, I need to
buy more, or move bond monies into stocks in order to rebalance.
 

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I largely agree with this but when you say you're buying the dip (the opposite of Northern Star stance which has been espoused throughout the thread), you're basically doing the same thing. Market timing. The money you have sitting in cash waiting for a dip is theoretically losing EV to money you could have working in the market. Time in > timing studies show as well.

Unless you just came into a lump sum and don't wanna deep dive or something like that.

This this exactly what I am saying.

So having taken money out of the market and sitting here watching the drop thinking. The reason is because I still think there is more of a drop coming. So why would I want to jump back in yet? Things go down much faster than they go up. If you are buying on the drop....you have lost significantly more and will only do better when the market recovers.

To Pats point....what were you doing with all of that money in cash then? Must have just hit a 10 team parlay or something.
 

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DOW, NASDAQ, and S&P all broke down. Look out.

DOW did break support ,(but qqq and spy did not)

DOW is just 30 stocks , one of whcih had a VERY BAD day


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like energy , add the airlines to those that r below Dec 2018 levels. Financials approaching.

DOW components dont lose 18% in a day..........hmm......


With allies like the Saudi's who needs enemies? :) OIL was up 3% overnight and the Saudi's come out and said we r increasing production, OIL reverses dramatically. Full blown oil price war. Credit market needs to be protected , tremendous stress goin to hit N American energy sector (with these dramatic drops gotta figure the market is pricing this in), high yield sector maybe at risk, corp high yield down 9% over the last 2 weeks.
 

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That Saudi prince definitely seems more Sonny Corleone than Michael. Killed a journalist for nothing more than bad mouthing him. And now the first chance he gets is going to try and disrupt the global economy when it has some headwinds to deal with. In a perfect world we split that clown in half when this is all over.
 
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I had Dow support at 23,740; NASDAQ at 7950; S&P at 2740. All broke down today intraday. The DOW stayed down. Maybe we are not reading the same things the same way.

I really don't care which components led the collapse.
 

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k...on an ultra-short term outlook neither the NQ or the ES formed a lower low from yesterday's candles. Despite all the negativity so far, MOnday's low has held (also evident on the QQQ, and SPY, the latter foought back to reclaim it )

anyway, super negative environment. .....would be cool to HOLD here, do a 30% retrace back up, head back down and form a HIGHER low or re-test and hold this level.

Can it hold this level?...we shall see
 

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Actually ,the candles for ES and NQ close at 7, may have spoken too soon , haha !..

Big day tomorrow
 

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That Saudi prince definitely seems more Sonny Corleone than Michael. Killed a journalist for nothing more than bad mouthing him. And now the first chance he gets is going to try and disrupt the global economy when it has some headwinds to deal with. In a perfect world we split that clown in half when this is all over.

Yup, blindsided
 

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Another thing I'd add is that we're pretty far removed from the 1960's-70's sideways market at this point. The recessions are short and the recoveries come fast nowadays, so most people losing $ have it ingrained that you just hold through the downturn as that paid off very quickly in '02 and '08.

Given the mindset and psychology that has created, for real fear to set in I think is gonna take a real motherfucker of a black swan. Hopefully we won't have to test that theory anytime soon.

This is completely anecdotal, perhaps others in their own personal experiences will have had different interactions but today I had about 10 people I know ask me if they should sell. Last year from Sept-Dec had 0, had maybe 1-2 the previous 3 weeks combined.

Harbinger of things to come? I dunno but the big reason the stairs is the way up and the elevator is the way down is because everyone gets scared at the same time.
 

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This is completely anecdotal, perhaps others in their own personal experiences will have had different interactions but today I had about 10 people I know ask me if they should sell. Last year from Sept-Dec had 0, had maybe 1-2 the previous 3 weeks combined.

Harbinger of things to come? I dunno but the big reason the stairs is the way up and the elevator is the way down is because everyone gets scared at the same time.

This is a good sign to me. There’s too much complacency right now because we have always bounced back. There’s not enough fear yet.
 

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This is completely anecdotal, perhaps others in their own personal experiences will have had different interactions but today I had about 10 people I know ask me if they should sell. Last year from Sept-Dec had 0, had maybe 1-2 the previous 3 weeks combined.

Harbinger of things to come? I dunno but the big reason the stairs is the way up and the elevator is the way down is because everyone gets scared at the same time.

Pats what do you do for a living that people are asking your financial advice? I think the average Joe has about much chance of moving the market as someone on this site has of moving the line.

Presidents speech only spooked the markets more. Futures are down another 1,000.
 

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Who said anything about the average Joe moving the market by himself? If psychology turns that tons of average Joes, mom and pop investors, retail investors want to sell (something that hasn't really happened yet as this thread is evidence of, I think you're the only person ITT that has said they are jumping ship) then you're looking at a big leg down.

And I have anecdotal evidence that is in play more than before, but maybe it isn't yet and fear hasn't really set in.
 

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Who said anything about the average Joe moving the market by himself? If psychology turns that tons of average Joes, mom and pop investors, retail investors want to sell (something that hasn't really happened yet as this thread is evidence of, I think you're the only person ITT that has said they are jumping ship) then you're looking at a big leg down.

And I have anecdotal evidence that is in play more than before, but maybe it isn't yet and fear hasn't really set in.

You just said people were asking you what to do. In the next post Falls said it was a good sign. I wasn't implying that you thought they would sell and drive the market down
 

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You just said people were asking you what to do. In the next post Falls said it was a good sign. I wasn't implying that you thought they would sell and drive the market down

Yeah, I didn't understand the good sign part either. Maybe if he's heavy short, lol.

Just seems like leagues shutting down, Prez banning travel to Europe, fear is really about to set in.

I don't think tomorrow will be Black Monday but a legit 10% decline seems well within range of outcomes.
 

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Yeah, I didn't understand the good sign part either. Maybe if he's heavy short, lol.

Just seems like leagues shutting down, Prez banning travel to Europe, fear is really about to set in.

I don't think tomorrow will be Black Monday but a legit 10% decline seems well within range of outcomes.

Once the small investors start cashing out...that’s good. No one is doing that yet.
It’s not really even a contrarian play...it’s just that they buy and sell at the wrong times in general.
 

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I think we will see a disruption of business as usual for maybe around 6 months or possibly longer. That will effect some stocks more than others. Cash heavy companies will definitely have an advantage because they will be able to weather the storm better. I have had Boeing nearly my entire life. They cut all hiring today and no overtime to hang onto their cash. Other companies will make similar moves.
 

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Trump is imposing more Euro travel restriction. Not even post 911 we’ve seen such measure. This is a fatal blow to airlines.
 

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