Corona vs Flu Update 3/17/20

[HacheMan]

Johns Hopkins Medicine

Infections

[FONT=noto_sansregular]COVID-19: Approximately 187,689 cases worldwide; 4,661 cases in the U.S. as of Mar. 17, 2020.*
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[FONT=noto_sansregular]Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

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Deaths

[FONT=noto_sansregular]COVID-19: Approximately 7,494 deaths reported worldwide; 85 deaths in the U.S., as of Mar. 17, 2020.*
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[FONT=noto_sansregular]Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.


https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu[/FONT]

 

[HacheMan]

How far are we into this?

4-5 Months?

 

[REDEYE]

Comparing the two only incites the TDS crowd here

 

[StevieRay]

If folks don’t start dropping dead like flies in high numbers soon Americans will get impatient especially with Spring weather and start getting out in numbers. Lol

 

[achandicap]

According to the source you referenced, there have been 800 more deaths in the last 24 hours. Flu doing that?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

[skins85]

https://ncov2019.live/data

this is one created by a 17 year old kid in washington

where i live they have closed out any visitors to the beach.
closed the bridges as if it were a mandatory evacuation for a hurricane, only residents and homeowners are allowed on

 

[Hamilbet]

Another good data site.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

[phdinsports]

Johns Hopkins Medicine

Infections

[FONT=noto_sansregular]COVID-19: Approximately 187,689 cases worldwide; 4,661 cases in the U.S. as of Mar. 17, 2020.*
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[FONT=noto_sansregular]Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

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Deaths

[FONT=noto_sansregular]COVID-19: Approximately 7,494 deaths reported worldwide; 85 deaths in the U.S., as of Mar. 17, 2020.*
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[FONT=noto_sansregular]Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.


https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu[/FONT]

This is going to make some people with TDS heads explode. Given those numbers, (I haven't checked the source just posting) Trump is doing a great job with corona virus considering the US has slightly over 1% of world deaths, yet they consistently have roughly 4-6% of world flu deaths!

 

[bodyforlife]

That's nice of John Hopkins to chart this as obviously this is going to be of interest to many (I guess we'll see). The doomsday scenario people like to get into their exponential factoring and claim this thing will result in 14 million deaths (in other words, they won't just look at the increase yesterday and multiply by 30 to get to 22k deaths in a month and 264k in a year....they're all about insinuating that the rate will start to quickly accelerate). The first way of calculating it would be too easy and then their spin wouldn't work.

Admittedly, it's hard to figure things out with their graph on the other page as we really can't know how many people contracted it since most areas didn't have the ability to measure that (now that many do, the numbers look skewed as though we had a rash of new cases).

 

[thekeyman]

100 cases reported just in one day (yesterday)in New York as i watched the 20-20 news special last night,..the whole show sounded very worrisome

 

[bodyforlife]

100 cases reported just in one day (yesterday)in New York as i watched the 20-20 news special last night,..the whole show sounded very worrisome

Why? Most of these cities had no way of testing before. Who's to say it wasn't that way last week or the week before and you just didn't know it.

 

[Michelangelo]

Why? Most of these cities had no way of testing before. Who's to say it wasn't that way last week or the week before and you just didn't know it.

This comment is spot on. Without testing who knew how many cases existed two weeks ago. The numbers will only climb as the number of tests administered climbs.

Who is to say that this virus wasn't here three months ago? No tests. No idea.

Lastly, the number of people who have the virus is completely unimportant. The only number that counts is the number of people who die from the virus. Then those numbers must be analyzed to see how many of those people were susceptible to death by any malignant body intervention. And lastly those numbers need to be overlayed the numbers of dead from the flu. Now you have a picture that must be examined to see if it's worth tanking the whole economy to attempt to slow the damned virus down. That's all we can hope for - slow it down. Is that worth tanking the lives of millions of citizens. Make that many milions. By the time we come out of these bureaucratically enforced response measures there will be hardly an American that won't be scarred in some way. Hell this could spiral into places that only the brightest of minds could predict. I'm not one of them. But I do know that we will all suffer from the policy maker decisions. Some will never recover. Not from the virus. But from the policymakers making policy totally inappropriate to the problem. Rant over.

 

[CHOPTALK]

So many extremes in where this is gonna go .
Bill Ackman on CNBC today was fun . If you haven’t seen that interview I suggest YouTube to see it .
Basically said we are all gonna die but this is a great buying opportunity all at the same time .


Then you got other people who says it’s nothing more then watered down flu .

 

[halekulani]

iran literally digging mass graves but you guys are like well, total death # not that bad compared to x,y,z

 

[REDEYE]

So many extremes in where this is gonna go .
Bill Ackman on CNBC today was fun . If you haven’t seen that interview I suggest YouTube to see it .
Basically said we are all gonna die but this is a great buying opportunity all at the same time .


Then you got other people who says it’s nothing more then watered down flu .

it's not necessarily a watered down flu like what's been posted.. more like the health consequences comparison... Is this so much more of a health risk than the regular flu which hospitalizes millions and kills thousands to tank the economy

 

[Ladeda]

Where are all these people dying from the Flu?? I've heard lots of people die from cancer, I've hear people die from pnemonia. I've know lots of people who died in car accidents. I can't think of anyone I've ever known or and distant relative thats died from the flu.

 

[bodyforlife]

iran literally digging mass graves but you guys are like well, total death # not that bad compared to x,y,z

Uh huh. So why aren't you jumping up and down and screaming that no one should ever drive a car again? hno:

Equivalencies are indeed important as is mortality rates on all diseases in different age groups. It keeps things in perspective and helps to determine policy going forward. Risk vs benefits are also important to most people. Sorry that's hard for you to understand.

 

[busterhyman]

iran literally digging mass graves but you guys are like well, total death # not that bad compared to x,y,z

are you comparing iran's healthcare 2 usa's...i would think usa is just a little better

 

[halekulani]

Uh huh. So why aren't you jumping up and down and screaming that no one should ever drive a car again? hno:

Equivalencies are indeed important as is mortality rates on all diseases in different age groups. It keeps things in perspective and helps to determine policy going forward. Risk vs benefits are also important to most people. Sorry that's hard for you to understand.

then explain to me the risk vs benefits of cancer care to society
US spends billions of dollars on cancer care with little return on GDP. cancer patients have a high rate of not returning to work if they were working previously and cancer most often affects elderly people who have likely retired.

 

[bodyforlife]

then explain to me the risk vs benefits of cancer care to society
US spends billions of dollars on cancer care with little return on GDP. cancer patients have a high rate of not returning to work if they were working previously and cancer most often affects elderly people who have likely retired.

Uh, the risk/benefit part of the comment referred to driving. Can't believe I'd actually have to explain that to you.

Clearly no one wants to catch a disease.