Homophobe is a stupid word and is used indiscriminately against people who don't agree with the homosexual agenda! Just because I disagree with the concept of homosexual marriage doesn't mean I fear or dislike homosexuals.
This is a political and social issue - not a discriminatory issue as many would like to have us all believe. To my knowledge, there has never been a long lived social insytitution embracing marriage between tweo people of the same sex - just the opposite - two cohabiting people of the same sex have traditionally been persecuted.
As far as Cheney is concerned - any parent will change their thinking if one of their children is homosexual - that's what parents do! Parents of adult childreen understand this - the rest of you won't have a clue until you become a parent of adult children.
This is a political and social issue - not a discriminatory issue as many would like to have us all believe. To my knowledge, there has never been a long lived social insytitution embracing marriage between tweo people of the same sex - just the opposite - two cohabiting people of the same sex have traditionally been persecuted.
As far as Cheney is concerned - any parent will change their thinking if one of their children is homosexual - that's what parents do! Parents of adult childreen understand this - the rest of you won't have a clue until you become a parent of adult children.
"Homophobe is a stupid word and is used indiscriminately against people who don't agree with the homosexual agenda! Just because I disagree with the concept of homosexual marriage doesn't mean I fear or dislike homosexuals.
This is a political and social issue - not a discriminatory issue as many would like to have us all believe. To my knowledge, there has never been a long lived social insytitution embracing marriage between tweo people of the same sex - just the opposite - two cohabiting people of the same sex have traditionally been persecuted.
As far as Cheney is concerned - any parent will change their thinking if one of their children is homosexual - that's what parents do! Parents of adult childreen understand this - the rest of you won't have a clue until you become a parent of adult children."
Ok apparently I have to explain this again. Homophobia is a psychological condition, referring to a subconcious fear of latent tendencies, not a fear of homosexuals. Whether or not it gets thrown around too loosely is another issue.
On another note, I would hardly call it an "agenda" homosexual couples simply want the right to have their unions recognized. If anything those that oppose same sex marriage are the ones responsible for turning this into an issue. Also when you consider the joint tax return issue, yes it does become an matter of economic discrimination.
As far as not having a clue unless you are the parent of a gay child, I think your way off. At one point in my life, having grown up in rural small towns, I had a very rednecked attitude towards homosexuals. Then I learned that a family member of mine was gay and had to re-evalute and my thinking took a complete turn around.
In all honesty I think probably just about everyone has a family member, friend, classmate, co-worker, etc that is gay whether they are aware of it or not. Homosexuality has existed as long as humanity has, it exists in the animal kingdom as well and DNA mapping has shown that it's something people are born with not a learned behavior as once believed by some. As a society we really need to mature as far as homosexuality is concerned and set our priorities on more important issues.
This is a political and social issue - not a discriminatory issue as many would like to have us all believe. To my knowledge, there has never been a long lived social insytitution embracing marriage between tweo people of the same sex - just the opposite - two cohabiting people of the same sex have traditionally been persecuted.
As far as Cheney is concerned - any parent will change their thinking if one of their children is homosexual - that's what parents do! Parents of adult childreen understand this - the rest of you won't have a clue until you become a parent of adult children."
Ok apparently I have to explain this again. Homophobia is a psychological condition, referring to a subconcious fear of latent tendencies, not a fear of homosexuals. Whether or not it gets thrown around too loosely is another issue.
On another note, I would hardly call it an "agenda" homosexual couples simply want the right to have their unions recognized. If anything those that oppose same sex marriage are the ones responsible for turning this into an issue. Also when you consider the joint tax return issue, yes it does become an matter of economic discrimination.
As far as not having a clue unless you are the parent of a gay child, I think your way off. At one point in my life, having grown up in rural small towns, I had a very rednecked attitude towards homosexuals. Then I learned that a family member of mine was gay and had to re-evalute and my thinking took a complete turn around.
In all honesty I think probably just about everyone has a family member, friend, classmate, co-worker, etc that is gay whether they are aware of it or not. Homosexuality has existed as long as humanity has, it exists in the animal kingdom as well and DNA mapping has shown that it's something people are born with not a learned behavior as once believed by some. As a society we really need to mature as far as homosexuality is concerned and set our priorities on more important issues.
"The day we listen to kaya man and Lander for the meaning of things ....will be the end of civilization.
ps...km misspelled "incorrect" and Lander put better when he meant bet ......2 f*cking idiots"
Listen to me or not, on this thread I'm talking about psycological facts much more than my own opinion. As far as mispelling incorrect it's called a typo boy wonder. Phucking idiot, lol, I'm completely aware of and confident in my IQ level. The fact that you resort to cheap, vulgar, childish insults makes me wonder if you are.
ps...km misspelled "incorrect" and Lander put better when he meant bet ......2 f*cking idiots"
Listen to me or not, on this thread I'm talking about psycological facts much more than my own opinion. As far as mispelling incorrect it's called a typo boy wonder. Phucking idiot, lol, I'm completely aware of and confident in my IQ level. The fact that you resort to cheap, vulgar, childish insults makes me wonder if you are.
I never claimed to be perfect and don't know where you get that.
You're obviously not a rational person and despite the fact that I don't like to brag, and find it in poor taste when people talk about their IQ, I'm going to lay it out simple and straight. I have no doubt whatsoever that we are in different ranges and yours is not above mine kid.
You're obviously not a rational person and despite the fact that I don't like to brag, and find it in poor taste when people talk about their IQ, I'm going to lay it out simple and straight. I have no doubt whatsoever that we are in different ranges and yours is not above mine kid.
Bow down?
I didn't claim to be a genius or anything else. I merely pointed out that I'm brighter than a simpleton like yourself, which is no great feat I might add.
As I already mentioned you're not rational and all you do is spew childish insults.
There's no point in arguing with you, later diablita.
I didn't claim to be a genius or anything else. I merely pointed out that I'm brighter than a simpleton like yourself, which is no great feat I might add.
As I already mentioned you're not rational and all you do is spew childish insults.
There's no point in arguing with you, later diablita.
kaya man,
You call it fact that homosexuals are born being homosexuals. I call it opinion. Do you have anything other than your old psych book to back up your assertion?
I work at a fruit stand so I have a fair amount of experience dealing with gay people. A common theme is their marriages to people of the opposite sex. I have a hard time believing they can choose to be straight and have children then all of a sudden it's "Oops, my bad! I've been gay all this time." and that isn't counted as personal choice.
You call it fact that homosexuals are born being homosexuals. I call it opinion. Do you have anything other than your old psych book to back up your assertion?
I work at a fruit stand so I have a fair amount of experience dealing with gay people. A common theme is their marriages to people of the opposite sex. I have a hard time believing they can choose to be straight and have children then all of a sudden it's "Oops, my bad! I've been gay all this time." and that isn't counted as personal choice.
Yes Uncle Moneybags it's actually kind of old news. It was like 99-2000, around there I don't remember exactly when, that Time magazine reported that through DNA mapping a genetic difference had been discovered.
In all honesty I don't really get what you're saying in your second paragraph. I don't understand the correlation to the fact that you work in a fruit stand and therefore deal with a lot of gay people.
As far as gay people marrying those of the opposite sex I do agree that it's pretty messed up. I actually new a guy who's father left his mother for another man when the guy I knew was high school age. Understandably it was quite a traumatic experience for him. I think that if there less social stigma that gays are abnormal or have something wrong with them there would probably be fewer marriages of that type.
In all honesty I don't really get what you're saying in your second paragraph. I don't understand the correlation to the fact that you work in a fruit stand and therefore deal with a lot of gay people.
As far as gay people marrying those of the opposite sex I do agree that it's pretty messed up. I actually new a guy who's father left his mother for another man when the guy I knew was high school age. Understandably it was quite a traumatic experience for him. I think that if there less social stigma that gays are abnormal or have something wrong with them there would probably be fewer marriages of that type.
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I guess I'll have to take your word on that.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In all honesty I don't really get what you're saying in your second paragraph. I don't understand the correlation to the fact that you work in a fruit stand and therefore deal with a lot of gay people.
As far as gay people marrying those of the opposite sex I do agree that it's pretty messed up. I actually new a guy who's father left his mother for another man when the guy I knew was high school age. Understandably it was quite a traumatic experience for him. I think that if there less social stigma that gays are abnormal or have something wrong with them there would probably be fewer marriages of that type. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My crass remark about working with many gay people was only meant to explain the origin of my other comment and I wasn't attempting to discuss the social implications of their failed marriages for their children. I was curious why they could choose a straight lifestyle but not a gay one. Maybe I'm gay but I'm choosing a straight lifestyle because of all the stigma associated with it. Maybe we're all gay.
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I guess I'll have to take your word on that.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In all honesty I don't really get what you're saying in your second paragraph. I don't understand the correlation to the fact that you work in a fruit stand and therefore deal with a lot of gay people.
As far as gay people marrying those of the opposite sex I do agree that it's pretty messed up. I actually new a guy who's father left his mother for another man when the guy I knew was high school age. Understandably it was quite a traumatic experience for him. I think that if there less social stigma that gays are abnormal or have something wrong with them there would probably be fewer marriages of that type. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My crass remark about working with many gay people was only meant to explain the origin of my other comment and I wasn't attempting to discuss the social implications of their failed marriages for their children. I was curious why they could choose a straight lifestyle but not a gay one. Maybe I'm gay but I'm choosing a straight lifestyle because of all the stigma associated with it. Maybe we're all gay.
Kaya - two points
First, you used the magic word - union - I would support the concept of a civil union between two people of the same sex - I have no issue with that - I do have issues with a marriage between two people of the same sex - for traditional reasons.
Second, I said nothing about being the parent of an adult gay child - Hell, I know some parents who would be happy if that was their childs only "problem". I mean recognizing that your child is human and prone to the same mistakes as other people - only a parent could reverse all of his or her prejudices and make dramatic changes in his or her thinking just because of their child - and ONLY the parent of an adult child can understand this! Kaya - just because you have the ability to understand in the abstract doesn't give you the ability to know what it's like. As Robin Williams said in "Good Will Hunting" - "Just because I read "Oliver Twist" doesn't mean I know what it's like to be a deprived orphan."
First, you used the magic word - union - I would support the concept of a civil union between two people of the same sex - I have no issue with that - I do have issues with a marriage between two people of the same sex - for traditional reasons.
Second, I said nothing about being the parent of an adult gay child - Hell, I know some parents who would be happy if that was their childs only "problem". I mean recognizing that your child is human and prone to the same mistakes as other people - only a parent could reverse all of his or her prejudices and make dramatic changes in his or her thinking just because of their child - and ONLY the parent of an adult child can understand this! Kaya - just because you have the ability to understand in the abstract doesn't give you the ability to know what it's like. As Robin Williams said in "Good Will Hunting" - "Just because I read "Oliver Twist" doesn't mean I know what it's like to be a deprived orphan."
Actually BB, what I was trying to point out was that I did reverse my prejudices and make dramatic changes in my thinking, but that it didn't require having a homosexual child but rather learning that a relative was homosexual. I mean a change in my thinking so radical that I once said, years ago, something to the effect of; I don't care if people wanna be gay as long as they be gay far from me, couldn't we give them and island to live on or something. Pretty big turn around from the views I currently express wouldn't you say.
At any rate as a parent myself I do get what you're saying.
At any rate as a parent myself I do get what you're saying.
