according to what i can find this guy retired in 2001 and left his grunt work to his then 24 yr old son..i wonder if he even knows about mansion?
http://articles.ibonweb.com/magarticle.asp?num=692
http://articles.ibonweb.com/magarticle.asp?num=692
For those keeping score at home the Mansion owner is NOT the richest man in Asia (although he's close) but, according to Forbes, is doing pretty well.
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Net Worth: $1.3 bil
Country: Indonesia
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University of Houston
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University of Houston
Walk of Life said:
Nice post Will, I think he sums it up pretty nicely. You get everything here from free live lines to every contest under the sun, you can't begrudge the site making a nickel here and there on advertising. The expenses got to be paid somehow. Just speaking for me the only time it's a real problem hanging a weak book is when the information starts getting manipulated because of the ad $$$$. If you hang Platinum thats okay with me just don't try to make them sound like a CRIS or Pinnacle in order to send them some players. It's the falsifying of information (or the appearance thereof) after a site receives ad money that causes hard feelings. Since I've never witnessed those sort of shennigansI doubt it's a problem here these days.
Hang any banner you want, like Will says we all should know by now what sort of risk we want to take. As long as the flow of information on these books is still freely exchanged I don't think it's a big deal. The fact recently the RX moved back advertiser complaints to the main forum after receiving input is another good sign this place is trying to do things correctly. Props.
drunk said:
Drunk, you're one of the biggest stiffs in the industry my friend, just because some of us don't run to the forums like a little Grandma to scream about it doesn't mean it isn't well known. First time I heard about your latest problem I didn't say a word, I let guys like you run your mouth, I tend to stay out of those things that don't concern me. You've proven to be nothing but a pathetic little man who trys to bully people over the internet, by screaming about others you hope people won't know about you and your stiff jobs. They may not know on the forums but in the real world all of us connected to the industry know about you. Even MW had a story about you recently, LOL.
How's ASAP coming along? Oh that's right, if not for CRIS it would be another stiff job from you. Now be gone, go get in someone else's business and talk about stuff you have no idea about. Obviously you are trying to impress someone with this nonsense, I don't have time for it.
Patrick McIrish said:Drunk, you're one of the biggest stiffs in the industry my friend, just because some of us don't run to the forums like a little Grandma to scream about it doesn't mean it isn't well known. First time I heard about your latest problem I didn't say a word, I let guys like you run your mouth, I tend to stay out of those things that don't concern me. You've proven to be nothing but a pathetic little man who trys to bully people over the internet, by screaming about others you hope people won't know about you and your stiff jobs. They may not know on the forums but in the real world all of us connected to the industry know about you. Even MW had a story about you recently, LOL.
How's ASAP coming along? Oh that's right, if not for CRIS it would be another stiff job from you. Now be gone, go get in someone else's business and talk about stuff you have no idea about. Obviously you are trying to impress someone with this nonsense, I don't have time for it.
LOL...Your a funny clown. Glad you think you know me. Actually ASAP is doing fantastic, glad you have no clue about that also...Everyone knows who was behind ASAP, and it sure as hell wasn't me.
Yeah everyone knows me...and knows I ain't no stiff. Unlike you who still has not paid Dave. Your a sad waste of human life. Too bad when you write, everyone knows your a stiff and a liar. So keep writing Mcstiff, nobody cares what you think or have too say. LOL
Hey Mcstiff..your have no money anyway..but like I do all others..I'll put my money where my mouth is..25k to show one of my siff jobs...LOL..money is waiting too be taken...On the other hand..Your stiff job is REAL...Have a nice life Mcstiff, and say hello too you nephew..LOL
Hey Pat;
I agree with you. We should never forget there's really not ONE single website that can be called a true watchdog in this industry. An advertiser is just that, an advertiser. Some web sites do better than others when it comes to telling their truth, but in the end there's no absolute truth.
As long as there's free exchange of information regarding a sportsbook, sponsor or not, the player should be able to read and form his own opinion. The best a player can do is make an educated choice.
Noreaga;
Point well taken. I share that vision with you, but it's not savvy to tell people how to run their business. It's like telling a man how to hold his cock when pissing... that's just private business. Now, if you have good info and somewhat a more educated opinion, then share it with other players... but your initial posts seemed to be bitter. Maybe I was wrong.
I always try and learn from my life experiences. SBR was a very exciting time for me at the beginning. I met people I treasure as friends now. I believe the team I was leading was very successful achieving what we were brought in to do... Before we were all hired, the site was a one-man operation, check it out:
When we implemented the first stages of our frameworks, the site looked like this: and all along the powerful SBR concept and essence were preserved and evolved.
John and I had a premium channel of communication.
I left cause I grew up in ways that took me on a different road... SBR continues to be a good company, but i reckon it might need the input of an innovative strategist soon.
As for Hollywood, I didn't even try to come back. My time with Hollywood was a a great time and I remain friends with the gentlemen behind the operation. They all taught me and helped me a lot and I respect them a whole lot, as they're honorable and down-to-earth people.
Peace out, Noreaga.
I agree with you. We should never forget there's really not ONE single website that can be called a true watchdog in this industry. An advertiser is just that, an advertiser. Some web sites do better than others when it comes to telling their truth, but in the end there's no absolute truth.
As long as there's free exchange of information regarding a sportsbook, sponsor or not, the player should be able to read and form his own opinion. The best a player can do is make an educated choice.
Noreaga;
Point well taken. I share that vision with you, but it's not savvy to tell people how to run their business. It's like telling a man how to hold his cock when pissing... that's just private business. Now, if you have good info and somewhat a more educated opinion, then share it with other players... but your initial posts seemed to be bitter. Maybe I was wrong.
I always try and learn from my life experiences. SBR was a very exciting time for me at the beginning. I met people I treasure as friends now. I believe the team I was leading was very successful achieving what we were brought in to do... Before we were all hired, the site was a one-man operation, check it out:
When we implemented the first stages of our frameworks, the site looked like this: and all along the powerful SBR concept and essence were preserved and evolved.
John and I had a premium channel of communication.
I left cause I grew up in ways that took me on a different road... SBR continues to be a good company, but i reckon it might need the input of an innovative strategist soon.
As for Hollywood, I didn't even try to come back. My time with Hollywood was a a great time and I remain friends with the gentlemen behind the operation. They all taught me and helped me a lot and I respect them a whole lot, as they're honorable and down-to-earth people.
Peace out, Noreaga.
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Please accept my apologies, then... I must admit my sense of humor sucks at times. Didn't mean to offend you, I thought it was good ole razzin'-male bonding... that's all. Hope there are no hard feelings...
I promise I won't call you girl again... or fruity... or punkin... :biglaugh:
Sorry again...
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I promise I won't call you girl again... or fruity... or punkin... :biglaugh:
Sorry again...
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drunk said:
Me keep writing? You're the one that insisted we do this, you follow me around like a lost puppy always there hoping I will notice you. If I have time I don't mind playing along to give you your moment of sunshine. Let me guess how this will go on and on, as I destruct you with nothing but the truth you will call me a stiff over and over so you will get an attaboy or two from a couple of McIrish haters. Anything I guess so a couple of your pals can see you playing forum badass again huh? What's funny is you love to stick your nose in other people's business but cried like a little p u s s y when others responded to you when you were trying to extort WSC last week. Pretty funny stuff and very indicative of you and your style. You agree to a deal with the book, they are paying you every single day through NT without a fee as agreed upon, and then you start a thread "wondering" if players could really get paid there. When Roberto and others call you out on it then you get outraged that others dare get involved in your business. LOL. Sort of like you are involved in mine huh? You have been completely obsessed with me for over the last year and none of it has concerned you at all. You're a one way Charley, you like to dish out your elementary level crap to others but whine like a little b i t c h when you get some incoming. Frankly you bore me to tears. And by the way just about every reputable player there is told you that you were full of bullshit the way you handled the WSC fiasco last week. The book made a mistake of trying to treat you like a man and as you always do you tried to show out here in the forums like you were some kind of bigshot.
As for ASAP, knock it off. Yes they are as good as gold right now but that's in spite of you. It was over and you couldn't pay anyone, the ONLY reason it is here today is because it got bailed out and you are not affiliated with them any longer. I am sure Rick and others with good names wonder to this day why they first got involved with you on the deal. Funniest part of all that was you running around attacking everyone who was trying to warn the players about the problems the book was having. I guess your plan was to use incoming deposits to pay withdrawals and hope to hang on like the other under financed internet books have done that went bad. Sadly enough you used one little pathetic site to your advantage in all that trying to cover up good information that was coming out. Since you have given a couple of them some small credit acounts with a dime or two settle you were able to intimidate them in helping you try to cover up the mess you had brewing at ASAP. How am I doing Brian? Pretty close aren't I? Again, me you and everyone else in the world knows the only reason the players weren't left hanging out to dry is because of the boys at CRIS. Had it been left to you there would a bunch more of people added to your stiff list and you wouldn't have thought twice about it. That's the kind of guy you are. In life there is two types of people. Those who try and excel on their own and make a name for themselves through superior performance, and then there's the guys like you. Guys who figure if you tear everyone else around you down to the level you are at so no one else will notice what a piece of s h i t you are.
Lastly, as for making a wager with you, you must be joking. You haven't made a bet of your own since Moby Dick was a minnow. Your frantic hysterics last week to get your money out of WSC was because once again you owed people, the 10% or so that was actually yours in the account there was all you had. Geez man, you acted like a freaked out rookie over that money. No one around is known for more slowpays then you son, just because I don't speak about all your problems didn't mean I don't know about them. Like I said I didn't care enough about you to waste my time trying to run you down in the forums, I don't need to do that to feel superior. When allowed I tend to stick to my own business if something doesn't concern me. Anyway though I have a few minutes tonight don't expect me to always play this little silly game with you, frankly your type bores me to tears. You go way out of the way to start crap with someone who hasn't said a word to you but will be crying like the only single woman at a Greg Louganis stag party. Any minute now according to your history you will begin to whine about how dare I respond to you like this. Pretty sad but just like the others at that crap site you post at, all this drama just so you can show others what a badass you are by getting in the middle of something that's none of your business. Let's get one thing straight son before I am done here, the next time you raise a hand to me it better be to ask a question. Got it? Have your husband contact me if you have any more questions.
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D2bets said:
I couldn't agree more. I usually ignore him but had a little time tonight to kill. It does get old but this is his way to receive some positive feedback from others. Until I finally answer he will keep hounding me from site to site. You can see here the thread was right on track until he comes in with his same old stuff.
I don't mind actually, I like to run smack in the appropriate forums. Especially with a guy like this with the kind of history he does. Forum people may not know all about him but I do. I find it's always those who talk the most about others that are trying to take the onus of themselves.
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