CBO Report: Obamacare will cost 2.5 million jobs & increase deficit by $1 trillion

[Acebb]

Hey, remember when I showed you it was the insurance companies themselves reducing the amount of doctors in network as the cost of doing business NOT because of The ACA?

You didn't "show" any such thing.

You've been reduced to claiming that the number of doctors in the networks is going down because of....coincidence.

Meanwhile:

Several of the larger players, including Aetna, UnitedHealthcare and Cigna, are treading cautiously into Obamacare, waiting to see how the start of the massive health care reform pans out in 2014. Among the concerns is the fear that unhealthy Americans who previously could not obtain coverage will flood the exchanges and run up large health care bills.


​Totally unrelated to the ACA.

 

[Acebb]

Hey, remember when I showed you it was the insurance companies themselves reducing the amount of doctors in network as the cost of doing business NOT because of The ACA?

From the article you responded to:

To hold down premiums under the healthcare law, major insurers have sharply cut the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state's new health insurance market.

You should probably stop now, because you've been reduced to lying.

That tends to happen when you're trying to defend the indefensible.

 

[Acebb]

And when I think 'hey who could retire now that ObamaCare is all successful and stuff' I think of this:

"I'm a 55-year-old woman in excellent health and have a catastrophic health plan," she wrote recently to Obama and California Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. "I am completely happy with my plan. I received notice that the plan is being canceled and that to stay with a "comparable" plan my premiums would increase 88%, or $200 extra per month. To add insult to injury, the plan is INFERIOR to my existing plan."

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-1113-lopez-margaret-20131113,0,7994134.column#axzz2kWTshVDV

And this:

The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act.
...
The letters said the couple would be enrolled in new Kaiser plans that would cost nearly $1,300 a month for the two of them (more than $15,000 a year).

http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

Totally able to stop working and stuff!

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Dave just think about it. Obama finally agrees to go on Fox. When, on the day of the Super Bowl when it has it's largest viewing. What did he communicate, not much except arrogance and indignation. O'Reilly called him out for the fact that this administration has no accountability. Obama played dodge ball and blamed Fox for fanning non-existent fires. Anyone who could not see Obama for what he is after that interview either drinks the kool aid or lives in lala land. It may not have affected those not aware of what a fraud Obama is but it did rekindle the contempt that many have for Obama and his administration on many levels. As far as repercussions go you are probably right on the immediate level. However, he is beginning to lose his hold on independents and that is important. That could affect Democrats as a whole. Anything he does to expose himself for what he is works against him in the long run. In the long run when all is said and done he will be the worst POTUS in our history. Obama care will have bit the dust and when he is out of office so many books and articles will be written that will expose him even further. He may or may not know it but he is on a down hill run. The transparency he promised may not occur until he leaves office and he ain't gonna like it.

That was the 2nd time O'Reilly has interviewed Obama before a SB, he did it back in 2011. The result was a 2nd term for Obama.

I’m convinced that those who follow politics didn’t learn anything new from the interview and those who don’t follow politics probably changed channels when it came on.

You mention kool aid drinkers and the land of lala. Those people either can’t comprehend or refuse to comprehend what’s happening to the country. They’re a lost cause.

As for the independents, they must have liked what they saw in his first 4 years because they voted for him again. It’s a little late for them to change they’re minds.

It will be interesting to see how the mid terms play out. The House will stay red and there is a legitimate chance the Senate can be flipped. If that happens we’ll see if the Republican party actually wants to put conservative principles to work or if they’re just full of shit.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Got a graph so us dumb people can understand what dropping 2.5 million jobs means?

God I hope not.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Why the new CBO report on Obamacare is good news

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-cbo-20140204,0,3106578.story#axzz2sQy4CpDc


"The CBO, in any case, says that in 2015-2024, the government will pay out $8 billion in risk subsidies to the insurers but collect $16 billion. Real-world math says this is a gain to the Treasury of $8 billion; GOP math says it's a "bailout." You be the judge."

Well there was supposed to be a $2500 savings per family also. The verdict came back as bullshit.

 

[akphidelt]

Right!

Because people will be able to "retire" or "not work" by paying more for health insurance than they were while they were working!

You people are deranged idiots.

It's from the source you are using to make this thread, lol.

 

[akphidelt]

Page 124 of the CBO report you clearly did not read talks about Labor Demand.

Dope.

You're just really dumb and have horrible reading comprehension skills.

“The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor, so it will appear almost entirely as a reduction in labor force participation and in hours worked relative to what would have occurred otherwise rather than as an increase in unemployment (that is, more workers seeking but not finding jobs) or underemployment (such as part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week).”

 

[Acebb]

It's from the source you are using to make this thread, lol.

No it isn't

LOL

 

[Acebb]

You're just really dumb and have horrible reading comprehension skills.

Um, you didn't quote page 124, you stupid little liar.

 

[russ1945]

That was the 2nd time O'Reilly has interviewed Obama before a SB, he did it back in 2011. The result was a 2nd term for Obama.

I’m convinced that those who follow politics didn’t learn anything new from the interview and those who don’t follow politics probably changed channels when it came on.

You mention kool aid drinkers and the land of lala. Those people either can’t comprehend or refuse to comprehend what’s happening to the country. They’re a lost cause.

As for the independents, they must have liked what they saw in his first 4 years because they voted for him again. It’s a little late for them to change they’re minds.

It will be interesting to see how the mid terms play out. The House will stay red and there is a legitimate chance the Senate can be flipped. If that happens we’ll see if the Republican party actually wants to put conservative principles to work or if they’re just full of shit.

I think many Independents are beginning to see the light and regretting having voted for Obama. That does not mean they won't vote for Hillary. If the Senate flips Obama will show his ass big time. He will leave the WH and from that day on will fight all the negatives that will flow forth concerning his past and his days in office. It will not be pretty. Conservative principles are the only thing that will pull us out. Looking back just think what Romney would have done if he would have been in office. He would have opened up Keystone and unshackled the EPA just for starters.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I think many Independents are beginning to see the light and regretting having voted for Obama. That does not mean they won't vote for Hillary. If the Senate flips Obama will show his ass big time. He will leave the WH and from that day on will fight all the negatives that will flow forth concerning his past and his days in office. It will not be pretty. Conservative principles are the only thing that will pull us out. Looking back just think what Romney would have done if he would have been in office. He would have opened up Keystone and unshackled the EPA just for starters.

Well, this doesn't bode well for Conservatve principles.... but then again no one ever accused Boehner of being a Consevative.

[h=2]With just two days before America hits the debt ceiling deadline, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) announced on Tuesday his desire to raise it. [/h]"The goal here is to increase the debt ceiling," said Boehner. "Nobody wants to default on our debt."

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew says the nation will hit its debt limit this Friday, February 7th.

"While we're doing this we ought to do something about the jobs and the economy," said Boehner.

NO SHIT?

 

[SheriffJoe]

The best thing for conservative principles would be to get rid of John Boehner.

 

[akphidelt]

I think many Independents are beginning to see the light and regretting having voted for Obama. That does not mean they won't vote for Hillary. If the Senate flips Obama will show his ass big time. He will leave the WH and from that day on will fight all the negatives that will flow forth concerning his past and his days in office. It will not be pretty. Conservative principles are the only thing that will pull us out. Looking back just think what Romney would have done if he would have been in office. He would have opened up Keystone and unshackled the EPA just for starters.

You've been saying this same stupid stuff for the past 5 years. Independents are not regretting voting for Obama now just like they didn't regret voting for him the first 4 years you were saying it. You are out of touch with reality. A loon conservative fringe nutter.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

The best thing for conservative principles would be to get rid of John Boehner.

Sadly I don't see that happening.

 

[RDTrains]

From the article you responded to:

To hold down premiums under the healthcare law, major insurers have sharply cut the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state's new health insurance market.

You should probably stop now, because you've been reduced to lying.

That tends to happen when you're trying to defend the indefensible.

I quoted the CBO. I get you're ignorance of anything remotely challenging your argument. If calling me a liar gives you goosebumps so be it. You're still wrong.

 

[Acebb]

I quoted the CBO. I get you're ignorance of anything remotely challenging your argument. If calling me a liar gives you goosebumps so be it. You're still wrong.

You are a liar.

Twice now.

See, I posted a link to an LA Times article about people being unable to find providers.

You responded by saying "Insurance companies have been using limited provider networks for a long time. It's how they conducted business before Obamacare came along and, for better or worse, it's how they'll conduct business now that Obamacare is law. "

Which is not a "quote" by the CBO at all.

I then pointed out I am not "objecting to the result" as I, and many others, said prior to ObamaCare being implemented these people would not actually get medical treatment.

You then responded: :"Hey, remember when I showed you it was the insurance companies themselves reducing the amount of doctors in network as the cost of doing business NOT because of The ACA?"

Which is not a "quote" by the CBO.

Further, it is demonstrably false (and a comically stupid thing to say). I am not "wrong" you provided no 'quote' by the CBO showing I'm wrong, so you should probably stop now.

 

[Acebb]

What is it with you goofy leftists that even when someone quotes your post, responds to it, you then respond with lies?

What is with you weirdos, anyway?

 

[akphidelt]

What is it with you goofy leftists that even when someone quotes your post, responds to it, you then respond with lies?

What is with you weirdos, anyway?

No one is lying. You just have a hard time understanding simple things.

 

[Acebb]

No one is lying. You just have a hard time understanding simple things.

You have no clue what is even being said here.