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Cavs about to begin their 2nd summer leagues game in about 20 minutes. Both Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett were impressive during the first game.
 

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If Rose is healthy, not way they are favored over Chicago or even Indiana.

The odds are out and the Cavs are favored over Chicago or Indiana.

Don't really have an opinion on this or anything but pretty much throws a wrench into your "no way" theory
 

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The odds are out and the Cavs are favored over Chicago or Indiana.

Don't really have an opinion on this or anything but pretty much throws a wrench into your "no way" theory

You don't think I know what the odds were before I posted this? A wrench in my "no way" theory. So, Cleveland goes 44-38 and looks "so-so" and Indiana goes 52-30 and has home court, you don't think Indiana would be favored? They still have to play the games Pats.
 

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You don't think I know what the odds were before I posted this?

You said "no way" will they be favored over Chicago or even Indiana. They are favored over Chicago and Indiana and favored to win the ECF according to the market, much like Kermit said.
 

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Sorry ... Yes I meant Andrew Wiggins as I'm a Tour De france guy and just finish ed posting on the Tour. LOL. Wiggins looks to be one of those special " Can't Miss " type players. You are simply going to overlook him as a factor..... big mistake. Cavs picking Anthony Bennett last year was a joke and everyone pretty much was shocked by that pick. He wasn't very good playing for UNLV and I live here in Vegas ! Have you seen him play ? Wiggins is an awesome talent and barring injury He will be a factor in NBA for many years. Just because He's never played a minute in the NBA isn't a reason to overlook him. Hasn't every rookie in the history of the game started their NBA career without having played one minute in the NBA ??

Dude, did you watch him play at UNLV? He wasn't good? He averaged 16 and 8 as a freshman. Wiggins didn't look any better in college than Bennett.
 

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You said "no way" will they be favored over Chicago or even Indiana. They are favored over Chicago and Indiana according to the market.

And I said "no way" they should be. Just my opinion. Feel free to feel different. They aren't as good of a team as Indiana or Chicago right now.
 

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And I said "no way" they should be. Just my opinion. Feel free to feel different. They aren't as good of a team as Indiana or Chicago right now.

Oh ok, well you didn't say "should be" you said "no way they are" so that might have been why people said they would be favored in response to you.

As for my own opinion I dunno, they got pretty much all kids right now and it is tough to win in the NBA with a team that young. Indy seems like they are gonna lose Lance so not sure which way they go because I do think he is really underrated despite all the antics.

Bulls its tough to say. Pau has kinda looked like shit defensively last 2 years, looked good offensively last year but that was playing on a team giving up 110ppg so they were basically glorified pickup games, 34 w/ a lot of mileage on him. Rose hasn't played forever and I got no clue how the rest of his career is gonna go but hopefully he pulls through...
 

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Oh ok, well you didn't say "should be" you said "no way they are" so that might have been why people said they would be favored in response to you.

As for my own opinion I dunno, they got pretty much all kids right now and it is tough to win in the NBA with a team that young. Indy seems like they are gonna lose Lance so not sure which way they go because I do think he is really underrated despite all the antics.

Bulls its tough to say. Pau has kinda looked like shit defensively last 2 years, looked good offensively last year but that was playing on a team giving up 110ppg so they were basically glorified pickup games, 34 w/ a lot of mileage on him. Rose hasn't played forever and I got no clue how the rest of his career is gonna go but hopefully he pulls through...

I don't think Cleveland is even as good as Toronto right now.
 

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I don't think Cleveland is even as good as Toronto right now.

I dunno about that. I mean LeBron carried some bad Cleveland teams when he used to play there and Kyrie is better than any teammate he had from '03-10. Blatt gotta be a better coach than Mike Brown too. Varejao staying healthy will be big because he is the only rebounder/interior defender they have and he pretty much never stays healthy.

Regardless of what you or I think my guess is the market opens around like 55ish O/U win total so you should have a good overlay there based on your opinion.

Wizards got my man THE TRUTH so I'll probably pull for them. If Wall/Beal continue to improve that is a team to lookout for.
 

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Also fwiw I don't really see the Cavs getting Love. As LeBron gets older he isn't gonna be able to play both ends with the same intensity/effectiveness and they want Wiggins to take the load off of him defensively, guarding the best guy each night will really help extend Bron's career. Cavs playing the long game on this 1 seems like.

Really doubt Minn would deal them Love w/o getting Wiggins unless maybe Bennett/Waiters/Thompson startoff next year really well and increase their trade value or something of that nature.
 

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I dunno about that. I mean LeBron carried some bad Cleveland teams when he used to play there and Kyrie is better than any teammate he had from '03-10. Blatt gotta be a better coach than Mike Brown too. Varejao staying healthy will be big because he is the only rebounder/interior defender they have and he pretty much never stays healthy.

Regardless of what you or I think my guess is the market opens around like 55ish O/U win total so you should have a good overlay there based on your opinion.

Wizards got my man THE TRUTH so I'll probably pull for them. If Wall/Beal continue to improve that is a team to lookout for.

I love Washington. Kyrie and LBJ are both studs Pats and we know that. Outside of them, the team is below average. I just don't see LBJ's arrival automatically making them a title contender.
 

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I love Washington. Kyrie and LBJ are both studs Pats and we know that. Outside of them, the team is below average. I just don't see LBJ's arrival automatically making them a title contender.

Yeah I think Wiggins is gonna be pretty damn good but who knows how fast. Bennett should be pretty good too now that he hired a personal chef and dropped 15 pounds and is taking the NBA seriously. Kyrie still only 22, might not be ready to be the #2 guy on a title team. They just got a lot of parts that are gonna take time to mold.

We'll see if this guy is the man for the job....

 

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From Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Broussard is reporting that the Timberwolves will not include Kevin Love in a two-way trade to the Cavaliers if Andrew Wiggins is not included in the deal.

The Cavs, on the other hand, say they have no intentions of moving Wiggins in order to get Love, although that could possibly change if push comes to shove. In any case, there's no doubt the Cavs want Love, and whether they can get a third team involved, or persuade the Wolves to deal without getting Wiggins, remains to be seen. Stay tuned.
 

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I can't believe the Rockets didn't match Parsons offer. Dude is a legit player.
 

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Dude, did you watch him play at UNLV? He wasn't good? He averaged 16 and 8 as a freshman. Wiggins didn't look any better in college than Bennett.

Wasn't very good meaning not nearly good enough to be chosen Number One. Bennett will never be a game changer and was a terrible pick. Yes I watched him play almost every game at UNLV.
 

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I can't believe the Rockets didn't match Parsons offer. Dude is a legit player.

I prefer Ariza since he plays defense and the Rockets needed that more than anything. Parsons, Harden, and Lin were nonexistent defensively last year.
 

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And I said "no way" they should be. Just my opinion. Feel free to feel different. They aren't as good of a team as Indiana or Chicago right now.
They are better for sure. Cleveland will win the East with relative ease.
 

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