Canadian province Health Officer: "Shutting down is not an answer to things"

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Are you seriously citing this as evidence is support of a lockdown?
So stupid it is hard to fathom.

The article posted by Ricboff claims 10 times more lives are being lost than saved by the lockdowns. Therefore i posted a list of how lives have been saved by the lockdowns, which included motor vehicle deaths being way down this year. And you call that stupid? Motor vehicle deaths, BTW, have been listed as being in the top 10 means of death worldwide. Did Ricboff's article even mention motor vehicle deaths?

"[FONT=&quot]Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]4[/FONT]

"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"

 

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https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features...ple,pedestrians, motorcyclists, and cyclists.

What is obviously clear is:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

 

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https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/b-c-records-deadliest-month-ever-for-fentanyl-use-1.5078276


VICTORIA -- Drug overdoses continue to kill British Columbians in record high numbers as the latest figures show 175 people in the province died after using illicit drugs in July, nearly tying a record set just one month prior.

"What the latest numbers show us is that the overdose crisis has been made worse by the COVID-19 pandemic and the unprecedented tragedy of death and loss to families in our province continues," said provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry.
"The toxicity of drug supply is extreme, and I implore anyone who may be using drugs to not do it alone," Henry said. "For friends and family members who are concerned about loved ones, reach out and connect with them and let them know they are not alone."

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sad sad sad . Paranoia, fear has unleashed a tremendous amount of collateral damage . Kudos to Dr Henry for speaking out

That article itself gave a reason why people are dying of drug overdoses:

""Our policies are killing people," Felicella said in a news conference at the B.C. legislature Tuesday. "Every hour of every day our failed policies are forcing people to play Russian roulette."

Which refers to:

""We can give people a choice though: to choose between the toxic, poisoned street drug supply that is fuelling these deaths or pharmaceutical alternatives in the form of a safer supply. Making that choice a reality is a matter of life and death."

and:

""Access to a safer supply remains the number one, most urgently needed intervention to stop overdoses and stop people from dying," said Guy Felicella, a clinical advisor with the Overdose Emergency Response Centre and BC Centre on Substance Use.

"...The Canadian Association of Police Chiefs announced on July 9 that it was endorsing the decriminalization of drug possession and the creation of a national task force to research drug policy reforms."

Of course many people would put the blame on the illicit drug users themselves who, while being aware that street drugs are unsafe, and have been causing deaths for many years, still choose to repeatedly inject or otherwise take them into their own bodies.

 

[Ricboff]

lol, woke up old man? deep breadth OAS and CPP cheques r still in the mail, u fuckin leach

Dr Henry spoke, she is YOUR provincial heath officer, send her a note ...not me. Fuckin ' twit.

 

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As regards the allegation of Ricboff's article that the world hunger situation is being worsened by shutdowns, see this entire thread titled:

"25,000 people starved to death today, including 10,000 children"

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=1162748&highlight=

 

[Ricboff]

lol, did u reach out to your provincial health officer?

do you have any shame in collecting social assistance and do you understand who pays for it?


is Canada still doing well?

why wont you move back to USA?

 

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IF you read the article, looked at the charts , (SLOWLY) and you are still hanging onto ,mightily, to your silly early death tally defense?

Speaking of the article's charts, the author cherry picks a bunch of nations in his chart comparison of lockdown vs no lockdown nations. He leaves out lockdown countries like New Zealand and Australia, for example. Furthermore, he erroneously thinks these are useful comparisons & does not even address the possibility that its like comparing apples to banana peels. When a more appropriate comparison is made, such as Sweden with its 3 neighbours that locked down, Sweden has had relatively horrific results.

The article lists Japan as a no lockdown country. Yet it is being reported that "tens of millions of people who had been working at home for the first time in their careers were suddenly under pressure to turn up at the office." So, in effect, all those people were acting as if it was a lockdown. And with their return to work Japan's infections curve is much higher than in the early pandemic.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...uld-be-brink-second-wave-will-shinzo-abe-act/ Moreover Japan is a mask wearing nation while Western nations pre pandemic were not. So, again, to compare lockdown with non lockdown nations is comparing apples with banana peels.

"Having reopened once, Abe’s government seems reluctant to declare another state of emergency — even though more than 60 percent of Japanese people want one."

One list gave 43 reasons why Japan was successful in the early pandemic:

"One widely shared list assembled 43 possible reasons cited in media reports, ranging from a culture of mask-wearing and a low obesity rate to the relatively early decision to close schools. Among the more fanciful suggestions include a claim Japanese speakers emit fewer potentially virus-laden droplets when talking compared to other languages.

"Experts consulted by Bloomberg News also suggested myriad factors that contributed to the outcome, and none could point to a singular policy package that could be replicated in other countries."

"...An early grass-roots response to rising infections was crucial."While the central government has been criticized for its slow policy steps, experts praise the role of Japan’s contact tracers, which swung into action after the first infections were found in January. The fast response was enabled by one of Japan’s inbuilt advantages — its public health centers, which in 2018 employed more than half of 50,000 public health nurses who are experienced in infection tracing. In normal times, these nurses would be tracking down more common infections such as influenza and tuberculosis.

"...While countries such as the U.S. and Britain are just beginning to hire and train contact tracers as they attempt to reopen their economies, Japan has been tracking the movement of the disease since the first handful of cases were found. These local experts focused on tackling so-called clusters, or groups of infections from a single location such as clubs or hospitals, to contain cases before they got out of control.

"...The early response was also boosted by an unlikely happening. Japan’s battle with the virus first came to international attention with its much-criticized response to the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February that led to hundreds of infections. Still, the experience of the ship is credited with providing Japanese experts with invaluable data early in the crisis on how the virus spread, as well as catapulting it into the public consciousness.

"Other countries still saw the virus as someone else’s problem, said Tanaka. But in Japan, the international scrutiny over the infections onboard and the pace at which the virus raced throughout the ship raised awareness and recognition that the same can happen across the country, he said. “For Japan, it was like having a burning car right outside your house.”

"Although political leadership was criticized as lacking, that allowed doctors and medical experts to come to the fore — typically seen as a best practice in managing public-health emergencies. “You could say that Japan has had an expert-led approach, unlike other countries,” Tanaka said.

"Experts are also credited with creating an easy-to-understand message of avoiding what are called the “Three Cs” — closed spaces, crowded spaces and close-contact settings — rather than keeping away from others entirely.

“Social distancing may work, but it doesn’t really help to continue normal social life,” said Hokkaido University’s Suzuki. “The ‘Three Cs’ are a much more pragmatic approach and very effective, while having a similar effect.”

"Infectious disease experts also pointed to other determinants, with Shigeru Omi, the deputy head of the expert panel advising the Japanese government and a former chief of the World Health Organization’s Western Pacific office, citing Japanese people’s health consciousness as possibly the most important factor.

"The possibility that the virus strain spreading in Japan may have been different, and less dangerous, than that faced by other nations, has also been raised.

"...And the fact remains that Japan’s response was less than perfect. While the overall population is much smaller, Asian neighbors such as Taiwan had just seven confirmed deaths from the virus, while Vietnam had none.

“You can’t say the Japan response was amazing,” said Norio Sugaya, a visiting professor at Keio University’s School of Medicine in Tokyo and a member of a World Health Organization panel advising on pandemic influenza. “If you look at the other Asian countries, they all had a death rate that was about 1/100th of Western countries.”

"...“We have to assume that the second wave could be much worse than the first wave and prepare for it,” said Yoshihito Niki, a professor of infectious diseases at Showa University’s School of Medicine. “If the next explosion of cases is worse, the medical system will break down.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...uld-be-brink-second-wave-will-shinzo-abe-act/

 

[Ricboff]

lol, thanks for waking up;


did u reach out to your provincial health officer? (given the tragic death toll with narcotics, covid implied via YOUR health minister ...whats happened to BC? families r losing their kids?)

do you have any shame in collecting social assistance and do you understand who pays for it?


is Canada still doing well?

why wont you move back to USA?

 

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https://medium.com/@premgurc19/coronavirus-lockdowns-why-we-must-end-this-failed-policy-7af773428743

Coronavirus Lockdowns: why we must end this failed policy

The article states:

"The consequences of the lockdowns are claiming 10x more lives than the coronavirus itself"

Where is that figure coming from? The article never says. The author just pulls that number out of his ass. Obviously the vast majority of governments & health experts that supported the lockdowns did not agree with him. And now most places have not been in hard lockdowns for some time.

 

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read this SLOWLY

https://medium.com/@premgurc19/coronavirus-lockdowns-why-we-must-end-this-failed-policy-7af773428743

Coronavirus Lockdowns: why we must end this failed policy

Ricboff's article states: "Sweden and Japan did not perform contact tracing."

Yet here, like many other reports, we read:

"No Apps, Just Old-School Contact Tracing in Japan"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news...apps-just-old-school-contact-tracing-in-japan

"Foreign visitors and expatriates in Japan can tell you how the Japanese are loyal to uncodified social norms. Physical distancing measures exist in Japan under the Special Measures Act, but the government can only encourage people to stay at home; closure of facilities can be requested, but offenders will not be punished.

"Yet the majority of people made efforts to stay at home and shopping centres remained closed in major cities during the state of emergency.

"...[FONT=&quot]Social customs had a significant role to play. Shaking hands – let alone hugging and kissing – is seen as a western fashion to greet people. In addition, many Japanese are less reluctant to wear masks, as it is common to wear them in order to safeguard against pollen allergies in spring and flu in winter. Social customs such as these may have helped lower the transmission efficiency in the community – and may have made it easier for people to accept the new reality. [/FONT]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...oronavirus-covid-19-patients-social-etiquette

 

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"Contact tracing breaks down when there are too many cases at once..."...e.g. New York City. Hence the need for lockdowns.

 

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"Contact tracing breaks down when there are too many cases at once..."...e.g. New York City. Hence the need for lockdowns.

"She said getting people back into offices and workplaces should be "as important" as the return to school, and directly appealed to Boris Johnson to "do more to build confidence".

This could include using "effective test and trace" systems or a campaign to encourage commuters back on to public transport."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53925917

 

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Ricboff's article states: "Sweden and Japan did not perform contact tracing."

Yet here, like many other reports, we read:

"No Apps, Just Old-School Contact Tracing in Japan"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news...apps-just-old-school-contact-tracing-in-japan

"Foreign visitors and expatriates in Japan can tell you how the Japanese are loyal to uncodified social norms. Physical distancing measures exist in Japan under the Special Measures Act, but the government can only encourage people to stay at home; closure of facilities can be requested, but offenders will not be punished.

"Yet the majority of people made efforts to stay at home and shopping centres remained closed in major cities during the state of emergency.

"...Social customs had a significant role to play. Shaking hands – let alone hugging and kissing – is seen as a western fashion to greet people. In addition, many Japanese are less reluctant to wear masks, as it is common to wear them in order to safeguard against pollen allergies in spring and flu in winter. Social customs such as these may have helped lower the transmission efficiency in the community – and may have made it easier for people to accept the new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...oronavirus-covid-19-patients-social-etiquette

 

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An estimated 4,000 to 8,300 new deaths are expected to be recorded during the week ending 19 September, the CDC said.

The CDC’s worst-case scenario would see 207,000 deaths in total reported by that date.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-53943522

 

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https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features...ple,pedestrians, motorcyclists, and cyclists.

What is obviously clear is:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death in the first three decades of Americans' lives."