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I can figure it out +/- within a narrow range of margin of error if I am familiar with the tournament size, etc

It's definitely good info to just have for free without having to look at anything but it is hardly great info for tourney's.

I'd actually say it is better info for cash games (h2h, 50/50s, double ups) because then you can pretty much just crowdsource your lineup without doing any research. Even then though, I'm not sure how reliable it would be unless you can check it like 5 minutes before lock since most people don't finalize their lineups until the last 10-20 minutes.
 

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Chop you're off on this. 2 players that cost 8500. 1 is owned by 85% of guys the other is owned by 12%. Picking the 12% guy gives you a huge leg up as far as your return if said player goes off.

I completely understand the advantage of knowing the ownership %.


But at the same time you could have that list of ownership % every sunday and still go 20 years without ever winning 350K.

Im not saying what the guy did was right.
Im just saying that this is not something worth bringing the entire industry down over.

Lets face it, if me and you had that guys job we would be doing the same thing he did.
Only difference is I would not be dumb enough to post it on the internet.

I would not ever hack into a poker site even if I could to read peoples hold cards. Thats outright cheating in my mind.


I consider this the equivalent of Tom Brady taking a few PSI out of a football.

Oh wait nevermind.
Most people over reacted that to so thats a bad example.


My point is yes I realize he would not be able to use info thats not viewable by everyone.
But at the same time this is not the end of the world and its not a vast conspiracy by DK and FD prevent having to pay people prize money.


And like I said earlier im sure the real pros have their ways of figure out which $8500 player is 80% owned vs the $8500 player thats 20% owned within a few percentage points anyway.
 

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The script issue is worse IMO. Allows people to multi-enter tons of GPPs at once. The real problem is when news comes down they can instantly edit to get the cheap player in the lineup. Demarco Murray was questionable week 3 but most figured he would likely play, he didn't and Ryan Mathews was close to minimum price. He was a very good play with this news. So if someone has 500-2000 lineups they can instantly edit in about 20 minutes using a script, it is a big advantage.

That is probably the next elephant in the room.
 

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Working in the industry and playing everyday, I'd guess Ethan is a pretty good tourney player, knows what to do, etc. Also for MLB the ownership % can't really help you on FD because lineups lock at 7 and you can't get reliable DK info until lineups lock since most people make their lineups in the last 20 minutes.

Yep --- many of the Fantasy employees & execs are computer/statistics/fantasy savvy, so of course they're going to have some success (with or without extra/early information). If Phil Ivey became a poker dealer, it wouldn't be outside-the-norm for him to win a tourney 2-3 months later.

That being said, DK and FD should have seen this coming, and should have installed protections & proactive policies.
 

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Let me ask you regular DFS players a question.

If you had the same exact info Ethan had at your disposal every single Sunday how long would it take you on average to win at least $350,000 on a single entry ?
 

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And how close is FDs owner % to DKs?

Is the scoring system the same?

If Ethan used DKs owner % and applied it to FD but they have a different client base and a different scoring system maybe the info he was using is not nearly as valuable as people are making it out to be.

Doesnt one of them use kickers and the other don't?

I think this was more a case of a sharp player that just happened to know what he was doing that only got a slight edge from this info.
 

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Let me ask you regular DFS players a question.

If you had the same exact info Ethan had at your disposal every single Sunday how long would it take you on average to win at least $350,000 on a single entry ?

Not really a fair question but I see your point. He didn't just get info and immediately leverage it into 350k profit.

He had several entries in that tournament though. He has to meet with the NY AG now. That has got to be brutal. What a disaster.

Atleast DFS will probably tighten up, fix a few inefficiencies, etc
 

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And how close is FDs owner % to DKs?

Is the scoring system the same?

If Ethan used DKs owner % and applied it to FD but they have a different client base and a different scoring system maybe the info he was using is not nearly as valuable as people are making it out to be.

Doesnt one of them use kickers and the other don't?

I think this was more a case of a sharp player that just happened to know what he was doing that only got a slight edge from this info.

It varies, depends on the week. It really isn't great info. Ethan is a red herring, I've said that. However, getting ownership %'s can definitely be advantageous and there are other ways to leverage that info. Someone has suggested any lineup checking needs to be noted and the reason why needs to be said. More transparency on the programming end.

DK is full PPR with bonus for 100/300 yards whereas FD is .5ppr

DK has an extra flex, FD has kicker.

I've said throughout these threads what Ethan did really wasn't much even if he used ownership %s to help him.

Still the sites need to realize this isn't 2012-2014 anymore and having employees play on other sites probably needs to be nixed. When you are a billion dollar business, you need to start acting like it.
 

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It varies, depends on the week. It really isn't great info. Ethan is a red herring, I've said that. However, getting ownership %'s can definitely be advantageous and there are other ways to leverage that info. Someone has suggested any lineup checking needs to be noted and the reason why needs to be said. More transparency on the programming end.

DK is full PPR with bonus for 100/300 yards whereas FD is .5ppr

DK has an extra flex, FD has kicker.

I've said throughout these threads what Ethan did really wasn't much even if he used ownership %s to help him.

Still the sites need to realize this isn't 2012-2014 anymore and having employees play on other sites probably needs to be nixed. When you are a billion dollar business, you need to start acting like it.

My lineups at draft kings are basically whoever Matt Berry likes. I have no clue how to pick these fucking lineups myself. I deposited 100 dollars at start of football season and currently have 43 dollars left. Cashed on the back end of 2 or 3 but only play the huge contests for 5 or 3 dollars. Seems impossible to win a big amount. Once it runs out I doubt I will deposit again.
 

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My lineups at draft kings are basically whoever Matt Berry likes. I have no clue how to pick these fucking lineups myself. I deposited 100 dollars at start of football season and currently have 43 dollars left. Cashed on the back end of 2 or 3 but only play the huge contests for 5 or 3 dollars. Seems impossible to win a big amount. Once it runs out I doubt I will deposit again.

Play for Chop. He is in a banned state that doesn't support freedom of choice.

In all seriousness, I think a lot of people join to give it a try but some of these people don't even like fantasy sports. It isn't for everyone. If you don't even really play season long fantasy then you likely won't be into DK or FD much.
 

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My lineups at draft kings are basically whoever Matt Berry likes. I have no clue how to pick these fucking lineups myself. I deposited 100 dollars at start of football season and currently have 43 dollars left. Cashed on the back end of 2 or 3 but only play the huge contests for 5 or 3 dollars. Seems impossible to win a big amount. Once it runs out I doubt I will deposit again.

Thats a bad strategy.

Even if you somehow ever won you would end up like the lottery winners on Bruce Almighty where where a million people split split a 40 million dollar jackpot and get $40 each. Lol


Thats probably one of the most fool proof ways to figure out high ownership % is what Matthew Berry says.

I would probably go out of my way to avoid as many players as possible from the tv people .
 

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Thats a bad strategy.

Even if you somehow ever won you would end up like the lottery winners on Bruce Almighty where where a million people split split a 40 million dollar jackpot and get $40 each. Lol


Thats probably one of the most fool proof ways to figure out high ownership % is what Matthew Berry says.

I would probably go out of my way to avoid as many players as possible from the tv people .

Then post a lineup and I will play yours. I don't care about it enough to use strategy....I'm too caught up in betting Sunday and that's the last thing I even look at.
 

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Play for Chop. He is in a banned state that doesn't support freedom of choice.

In all seriousness, I think a lot of people join to give it a try but some of these people don't even like fantasy sports. It isn't for everyone. If you don't even really play season long fantasy then you likely won't be into DK or FD much.

Yep.....I'm not into it and thought I'd give it a try with small amount. It's ok but not something I even take real time to do
 
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What is astounding to me is the silence from the ceo's of Fanduel and Draftkings. These guys should be proactive in dealing with the issues that have been raised, but so far absolutely nothing of substance. Apparently these guys were so intent on making money that they never bothered to do the grunt work necessary to build a solid foundation.
 

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Again, this manner in general is being a little blown out if proportion.

Those of us who have followed fantasy & DFS knew a couple of years ago that it was growing at a ridiculous rate.

Bet even then, before the explosion in popularity & the amount of players, i had my doubts that all of the 'players' in the big matches/tournaments were real.

This has opened the eyes of those who have always been blind & uneducated on what can be done behind closed doors & computers.

They can edit lineups, make false /fake lineups, and so on at their convenience & nobody knows.

Sad but regulation is the only step to take in making sure everything is done fairly & honestly...
 

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DraftKings CEO Robins: Third Party To Audit Daily Fantasy Sports Site’s Systems

Dustin Gouker, October 7, 2015*

DraftKings and FanDuel*started increasing theirpublic response*to a story surrounding the security of data and game integrity at their daily fantasy sports sites on Wednesday.

What DraftKings did

DraftKings CEO Jason Robins*went on Fox Business News on Wednesday morning to defend his company, which has been under fire since the data leak story that broke this weekend and went mainstream with a New York Times report on Monday.

He said very little in the way of specifics as far as what has changed at DraftKings, or what policies his company had in place. The takeaways:

He did say that a*third party was hired to review its internal practicesThe results of that independent investigation will be shared publicly once it is complete. No timeframe was given.He said that “before any of this happened” that DraftKings and FanDuel had contracted with the third party.He reiterated that the employee at the center of the story — Ethan Haskell — did nothing wrong, according to an internal investigation at DraftKings.Robins said the data leaked by Haskell was “an error” and that “he will certainly be hearing about that from us.” This seemed to imply that DraftKings had not reprimanded, or even spoken, to Haskell about the leak, which seems to be at odds with a thorough investigation. Of course, this could also just be a problem in verb tense as Robins was speaking on live TV.Fox asked if DraftKings had heard from the NFL, and Robins said he did not. DraftKings does not have a partnership with the league, but does have a relationship with 12 NFL teams, and also sponsors the NFL’s international series.Employees are now banned from play daily fantasy sports for cash at any DFS site. Previously, that had been a temporary ban.

Here is*a partial transcript of what Robins said; we’ve excluded portions that were repetitive or already quoted above. The interview was fairly contentious at times, and the Fox interviewers asked versions of the same question several times.

First, I want to make it clear to everyone that we are completely committed to creating an open and transparent environment, Having the trust of our customers that the game is fair is everything to us. We have done everything I think to investigate this incident and have very clearly found through evidence that we pulled, records of when data was sent to this employee that there was absolutely no wrongdoing here.

It was a little disappointing the reports that come out did not account for those facts and unfortunately dragged this individual’s name through the mud. He’s a good kid, his name is Ethan he works really hard and I find it very disappointing in order to have a very important discussion that we are very open to having and very committed to having about how we an do a better job creating a trusted and open environment for everyone, it’s just unfortunate for me that somebody who was innocent had to be smeared in order to have that discussion.



So we have great records of when data is pulled and when communications are sent. So it was quite easy for us to go and pull those records.



We also contracted a third-party law firm that’s conducting an independent investigation and as soon as we have a summary of those findings, we will come and publicly share them.



I think this is an important discussion, and I am very much open. Before any of this happened, we had already contracted along with FanDuel to have a third party to come in and do a full audit of our procedures, make sure that if there’s any places that we can get better that we do.

We’re a young company, we’ve only been around three and a half years, and I think we’ve done a good job putting really strong policies and procedures in place. But they can definitely get better, and I know that. And there’s going to be a lot of work that we put behind this. I think it’s very important that everyone out there knows there’s the highest integrity in our games, and that players can trust that the competition is fair. And we will work tirelessly until everyone out there is very clear that this is the case.



We evaluated this and discussed it with the rest of the industry. My personal opinion is that no matter times I tell you guys we have controls and procedures in place, it’s still always going to be a question that is asked, and the really only satisfactory answer is just to completely prohibit employees from playing on each other’s sites. We have never allowed employees to play in any of the public games at DraftKings. And now it’s

What FanDuel did

FanDuel released a new*statement to the pressvia its website.

The biggest takeaway? FanDuel has retained former*U.S. attorney general Michael Mukasey“to review facts, evaluate internal controls, standards and practices,” as first reported byESPN business reporter Darren Rovell*on Twitter.

Also, FanDuel made the*ban on employees playing DFS for real cash permanent, after a temporary ban was announced by both FanDuel and DraftKings late Monday night.

Full statement:

Media reports yesterday raised issues concerning an employee from another fantasy site participating in our NFL Sunday Million contest last week. Trust with our players is core to our business and has always been our primary concern so we take any potential game integrity issue very seriously.

Based on everything we know thus far, there is no evidence indicating that the integrity of FanDuel’s contest was in any way compromised, or that non-public information was used for unfair advantage. That said, the incident has raised questions about the trust-based relationship we have with our players so just relying on what we know right now isn’t enough. That’s why we’re taking the following steps:

We have permanently banned our employees from playing any daily fantasy games for money, on any site. We will also require all customers to confirm that they are not an employee of any other third party fantasy site, and if they are, they will not be allowed to access our site.We have asked former federal judge and United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey to review the facts and evaluate our internal controls, standards and practices.* His mandate is to conduct a review to identify ways that we can ensure we are doing the right things to maintain the trust we have with our players. He will have the freedom and authority to look at any areas he thinks appropriate. We will ask him and his team at the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton to develop a set of recommendations for us to adopt and to highlight any areas where our controls can be strengthened.We are also creating an internal advisory board, led by Michael Garcia of the Kirkland & Ellis law firm and former United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. The advisory board will provide on-going advice, recommendations and guidance to ensure that we are always taking every step possible to ensure the integrity of our site and our games. We also look forward to speaking with regulators across the nation about how to define the right set of rules for our industry as it continues to grow.

FanDuel is one of the fastest growing companies in the world. The way fans have embraced our games is a clear sign that fantasy sports is here to stay.

It’s our job to ensure that as our company grows, so does our ability to ensure that our fans can be confident in the sanctity and integrity of every game, every day.


http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4749/draftkings-ceo-jason-robins-on-leak/
 

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DraftKings CEO Robins: Third Party To Audit Daily Fantasy Sports Site’s Systems

Dustin Gouker, October 7, 2015*

DraftKings and FanDuel*started increasing theirpublic response*to a story surrounding the security of data and game integrity at their daily fantasy sports sites on Wednesday.

What DraftKings did

DraftKings CEO Jason Robins*went on Fox Business News on Wednesday morning to defend his company, which has been under fire since the data leak story that broke this weekend and went mainstream with a New York Times report on Monday.

He said very little in the way of specifics as far as what has changed at DraftKings, or what policies his company had in place. The takeaways:

He did say that a*third party was hired to review its internal practicesThe results of that independent investigation will be shared publicly once it is complete. No timeframe was given.He said that “before any of this happened” that DraftKings and FanDuel had contracted with the third party.He reiterated that the employee at the center of the story — Ethan Haskell — did nothing wrong, according to an internal investigation at DraftKings.Robins said the data leaked by Haskell was “an error” and that “he will certainly be hearing about that from us.” This seemed to imply that DraftKings had not reprimanded, or even spoken, to Haskell about the leak, which seems to be at odds with a thorough investigation. Of course, this could also just be a problem in verb tense as Robins was speaking on live TV.Fox asked if DraftKings had heard from the NFL, and Robins said he did not. DraftKings does not have a partnership with the league, but does have a relationship with 12 NFL teams, and also sponsors the NFL’s international series.Employees are now banned from play daily fantasy sports for cash at any DFS site. Previously, that had been a temporary ban.

Here is*a partial transcript of what Robins said; we’ve excluded portions that were repetitive or already quoted above. The interview was fairly contentious at times, and the Fox interviewers asked versions of the same question several times.

First, I want to make it clear to everyone that we are completely committed to creating an open and transparent environment, Having the trust of our customers that the game is fair is everything to us. We have done everything I think to investigate this incident and have very clearly found through evidence that we pulled, records of when data was sent to this employee that there was absolutely no wrongdoing here.

It was a little disappointing the reports that come out did not account for those facts and unfortunately dragged this individual’s name through the mud. He’s a good kid, his name is Ethan he works really hard and I find it very disappointing in order to have a very important discussion that we are very open to having and very committed to having about how we an do a better job creating a trusted and open environment for everyone, it’s just unfortunate for me that somebody who was innocent had to be smeared in order to have that discussion.



So we have great records of when data is pulled and when communications are sent. So it was quite easy for us to go and pull those records.



We also contracted a third-party law firm that’s conducting an independent investigation and as soon as we have a summary of those findings, we will come and publicly share them.



I think this is an important discussion, and I am very much open. Before any of this happened, we had already contracted along with FanDuel to have a third party to come in and do a full audit of our procedures, make sure that if there’s any places that we can get better that we do.

We’re a young company, we’ve only been around three and a half years, and I think we’ve done a good job putting really strong policies and procedures in place. But they can definitely get better, and I know that. And there’s going to be a lot of work that we put behind this. I think it’s very important that everyone out there knows there’s the highest integrity in our games, and that players can trust that the competition is fair. And we will work tirelessly until everyone out there is very clear that this is the case.



We evaluated this and discussed it with the rest of the industry. My personal opinion is that no matter times I tell you guys we have controls and procedures in place, it’s still always going to be a question that is asked, and the really only satisfactory answer is just to completely prohibit employees from playing on each other’s sites. We have never allowed employees to play in any of the public games at DraftKings. And now it’s

What FanDuel did

FanDuel released a new*statement to the pressvia its website.

The biggest takeaway? FanDuel has retained former*U.S. attorney general Michael Mukasey“to review facts, evaluate internal controls, standards and practices,” as first reported byESPN business reporter Darren Rovell*on Twitter.

Also, FanDuel made the*ban on employees playing DFS for real cash permanent, after a temporary ban was announced by both FanDuel and DraftKings late Monday night.

Full statement:

Media reports yesterday raised issues concerning an employee from another fantasy site participating in our NFL Sunday Million contest last week. Trust with our players is core to our business and has always been our primary concern so we take any potential game integrity issue very seriously.

Based on everything we know thus far, there is no evidence indicating that the integrity of FanDuel’s contest was in any way compromised, or that non-public information was used for unfair advantage. That said, the incident has raised questions about the trust-based relationship we have with our players so just relying on what we know right now isn’t enough. That’s why we’re taking the following steps:

We have permanently banned our employees from playing any daily fantasy games for money, on any site. We will also require all customers to confirm that they are not an employee of any other third party fantasy site, and if they are, they will not be allowed to access our site.We have asked former federal judge and United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey to review the facts and evaluate our internal controls, standards and practices.* His mandate is to conduct a review to identify ways that we can ensure we are doing the right things to maintain the trust we have with our players. He will have the freedom and authority to look at any areas he thinks appropriate. We will ask him and his team at the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton to develop a set of recommendations for us to adopt and to highlight any areas where our controls can be strengthened.We are also creating an internal advisory board, led by Michael Garcia of the Kirkland & Ellis law firm and former United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. The advisory board will provide on-going advice, recommendations and guidance to ensure that we are always taking every step possible to ensure the integrity of our site and our games. We also look forward to speaking with regulators across the nation about how to define the right set of rules for our industry as it continues to grow.

FanDuel is one of the fastest growing companies in the world. The way fans have embraced our games is a clear sign that fantasy sports is here to stay.

It’s our job to ensure that as our company grows, so does our ability to ensure that our fans can be confident in the sanctity and integrity of every game, every day.


http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4749/draftkings-ceo-jason-robins-on-leak/




I assume they believe that taking swift action will stop the government from intervening.

Too little - Too late

Besides, i don't take much stake in hand-picking your own third party to oversee that things are done honestly...
 

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We have never allowed employees to play in any of the public games at DraftKings.

Rules on the site say something entirely different.

DraftKings employees may use the Website, and will from time to time do so for the purpose of testing the site user experience, socializing and competing with customers to build community, and other reasonable and fair uses at the discretion of DraftKings.
 

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I would be interested in knowing what 2nd place entry consisted of. There's a fairly simple way to find out, but it requires having an entry into that particular contest (which I did not). If anyone did, just click on history, find the contest in question (September 27, etc), click on view, click on the entry that finished 2nd (paying 350k).
 

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