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I said it above and I say it again. People act like they just had lunch with the guy.

It really is comical.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That's what I mean - what is mythical about him is the fact that people claim to know him,

I don't doubt BW knows what he is doing. I doubt any schmuck on these forum does - and the ones that do know, won't post it anyways - UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS THEM TO
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This kind of thing happens all to often on these forums. Impossible to really judge a person until you have met them personally .....or at least on webcam.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Out of everyone I have met involved in offshore sports betting, BW is the man I respect the most..
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That speaks volumes. We should just be nice.
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Billy walters is lower to the ground than the belly of a snake.Shrink I guess you weren't around in the mid 1980's when Billy Walters cooperated with the F.B.I. and turn in a bookmaker from Las Vegas.He would turn in his own mother if it meant saving his own ass.Uck Billy Walters and the horse he rode in on.Shrink how many times do you think B.W. turn you around on a game when you were moving for him.Wild Bill how do you look at yourself in the mirror every morning.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Out of everyone I have met involved in offshore sports betting, BW is the man I respect the most..THE SHRINK<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would you feel the same way if you where not privy to his plays?
 

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Shrink,
I also know BW and the fact that you admire this man does speak volumes, about you! BW does donate lotsa money to Opportunity Village, but it's the way he earns his money that is the reason he should be and is despised. And I'm not talking about his sportsbetting, which is just really a hobby for him, if that's all he did I too would admire the man. But he makes the bulk of his money by screwing over people, buying politicians, intimidating folks, and just in general being a devious, sinister, and evil person. And you admire him? You need to reevaluate how you pick your heroes/role models.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jersey joe:
Billy walters is lower to the ground than the belly of a snake.Shrink I guess you weren't around in the mid 1980's when Billy Walters cooperated with the F.B.I. and turn in a bookmaker from Las Vegas.He would turn in his own mother if it meant saving his own ass.Uck Billy Walters and the horse he rode in on.Shrink how many times do you think B.W. turn you around on a game when you were moving for him.Wild Bill how do you look at yourself in the mirror every morning.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wwwwwwwwoooooowwwwwww......
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If ANYone in this industry is clean, would you please raise your hand.
 

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Since I’d never heard of Billy Walters before I started posting on this forum, I thought I might offer an unbiased opinion of what I've read. It definitely seems like Shrink has some self-serving reason for building this guy up.

If a multi-millionaire gives politically motivated tax-deductible contributions to charities, that really doesn’t say much about his character. Also, we all love our children, whether they’re retarded, or, as in my case, convicted felons.

In the movie “Gangs Of New York”, before Bill the Butcher finds out who Amsterdam really is, he confides in him, trying to explain his seemingly barbaric behavior. Basically, he says that he does what he must to survive. But he wants Amsterdam to realize that he is not an inherently bad person.

This is the question that only those of you who truly know Billy Walters can answer. Is he a man who simply does what he’s good at in order to survive, even though he hurts a lot of people along the way,( in that case he wouldn't be any worse than most of us) or, is he an inherently evil person?
 

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Until this post, I haven't even knocked the guy, but since he is up for sainthood, I nominate him..BW, Patron Saint Of The Sendout.
 

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Once again the Shrink licks the hand that feeds him. Way to go Jersey Joe for calling them both out!!!!
 

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I've said it a bunch of times here and I'll say it again. Gamblers are the biggest bullshiters on the planet. Nobody in here knows shit about Walters other than what they here from other guys who also don't know shit. This topic was very amusing though.
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Harrington, I totally disagree with your take. I think some of the posters on this forum know him very well. But, what do I know, I lost four Sundays in a row.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by STRUT888/FISHHEAD:
This kind of thing happens all to often on these forums. Impossible to really judge a person until you have met them personally .....or at least on webcam.
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speaking of webcams... where is ANGELLE!!!!
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I removed photo on my own, no one asked me. wil.

Might as well add the story - Walters was found not guilty later after this article appeared.


COLUMN: John L. Smith
Odds seem to favor Walters



You won't find it on the board in any Las Vegas sports book, but every hunch player and handicapper in the valley will have an opinion about the outcome of the felony charges that are about to face gambler and golf course developer Billy Walters.
The odds of his conviction are bound to vary widely. A few will favor the state attorney general's office. Most, knowing Walters' reputation as a hugely successful high roller, wouldn't dream of betting against their boy Billy.
The charges, now being heard by a grand jury, are technical violations of the state's monetary instruments statutes and stem from an investigation into Walters' lucrative sports betting business.
Long before he became known as the developer of golf courses such as Desert Pines and Stallion Mountain, years before he emerged as one of the biggest political and charitable contributors in the state, Walters was known widely for his big plays whether betting sports, playing cards, measuring a roulette wheel or swinging a golf club.
As a leader of the Computer Group, Walters gained national attention -- and scrutiny from the FBI -- for his group's successful seasons betting on NFL games. After several years of investigation, a federal indictment of the group on gambling charges resulted in a mass acquittal of the defendants. It was also a major embarrassment to the FBI, which perhaps coincidentally has shown little appetite for prosecuting illegal gambling and bookmaking cases since then.
In December 1996, local police tried their luck when they exercised a search warrant on behalf of New York law enforcement in connection with a large East Coast bookmaking operation. They seized Walters' accounts at Las Vegas sports books and piled up $2.8 million in cash. The New Yorkers suspected Walters' group was involved in bookmaking, but the facts showed otherwise. Like legions of other Americans, Walters was betting with illegal bookmakers.
Although gambling across state lines has been controversial over the years, it is so commonplace that authorities -- on the rare occasions they choose to prosecute a case -- almost always charge the bookmakers instead of the players.
The last time I can remember the feds taking on gamblers is the Computer Group debacle.
Walters made no secret of his betting activities. In fact, in my conversations with him he often expressed pride in his success. He is, after all, a Las Vegas gambler at the top of his game.
But the game will soon shift to court.
After having his case dismissed twice on technicalities by District Judge Donald Mosley, Walters has received word that he is the target of yet another plan to indict by Chief Deputy Attorney General David Thompson.
Barring a last-minute change, Walters, Logandale computer programmer Daniel Pray, ex-Metro cop Jimmie "Arky" Hanley and bookmaking retired schoolteacher John Tognino in a few days will be greeted with word they have been indicted by a grand jury on a series of money transaction charges linked to Walters' multimillion-dollar sports betting business.
It's not bookmaking. Nor is it betting, per se. It's the movement and storage of the proceeds from his sports betting operation.
With 11 counts in all, the paper crime allegations are a novel way of going after a gambler. Thompson, who finds himself being vilified on several fronts ranging from the Walters investigation to the case of casino slot cheat Ron Harris and the wrongful termination litigation of former attorney general's office investigator Ron Anzalone, will have his hands full in the gambling case.
Why?
It's not that proving the facts of the case will be difficult. Sure enough, Walters set up his operation, bet successfully against bookmakers and stored some of the cash in casino lock boxes. Scores of other players do likewise.
The trouble Thompson will have, I suspect, will be in convincing a jury that it should care one wit about that activity.
To my knowledge, Walters pays his taxes. This isn't an IRS issue.
Last I checked, sports betting was a religion in Las Vegas. It's something the state promotes and legalized long ago.
Picking a jury from a community that revels in the sports betting subculture won't be easy. Finding one willing to convict will be even more difficult.
Undaunted, the game is afoot and the state marches on toward a third indictment.
But you won't find a gambler in Las Vegas who understands why.


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[This message was edited by wilheim on October 25, 2003 at 09:23 PM.]
 

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All you need to know about him is he's been doing this for over 30+ years. Go back to the "Computer" days. He's still moving more on a game he's serious about than most of us will in a season. He's passed the longevity test. One thing BW is not is a fraud. And Shrink is right about the charity. He gives it in the $m's to Opportunity Village and others. I can't give a opinion on the knocks because I don't know.....ScottyS
 

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A man who is successfull has the ability(wanted or not) to obtain enemies because there are alot of jealous people in the world who WISH they were in his shoes of success.

Wish you much success in the future BW
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Harrington, I don't know for sure if the people on this forum really know Mr. Walters or if their just blowing smoke. I just said that was my take.

It seems to me that he's screwed them or maybe their associates and there's some real anger, and it also seems that some have a vested interest in staying on his good side.

From the tone of the posts I sense reality.I could be wrong but I doubt it. I'm laying 2.80 if your a betting man.
 

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