BUSH VS. KERRY... Which Choice Is Better For Internet Gambling?

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Noreaga said:
Dante, I didnt get to see what you originally posted.. dont hold back.. this is a healthy fun discussion.. I wont be offended..
all I said after that was we are all entilted to our opinion....that was it, and it sounded dumb as that is a known fact already
 

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Noreaga said:
Newbie- 1st.. a provision on the Patriot Act was ruled unconstitutional.
and being appealed. Ashcroft will not let this go, he will continue appealing it under he runs out of options.

Very important that we keep that provision in there that allows americans to be spied on without anyone knowing how/why. :eek:
 

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My opinion is that today is Friday and my health appears ok, my kids are doing well, and the cook has food in the refrig.

I cannot control what these wanna be nazi politicians do, except write and suggest I am pissed, which i have done. We will have to deal with the cards dealt.

I have serious doubts though that the JD will be able and stop me from gambling unless they jail me.
 

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The General said:
My opinion is that today is Friday and my health appears ok, my kids are doing well, and the cook has food in the refrig.

I cannot control what these wanna be nazi politicians do, except write and suggest I am pissed, which i have done. We will have to deal with the cards dealt.

I have serious doubts though that the JD will be able and stop me from gambling unless they jail me.
and that could happen....That is the essence in what everyone is worried about general...given that they would need to put 17,000 plus posters and (ghosts) :toothless in jail just to stop the people on this site ALONE...so will that happen I doubt it very much
 

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Good point, General. Even then, I'm sure you're allowed to make calls while in the slammer, so no doubt you could still get down.
 

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Fishhead said:
Are there any AMERICANS here thinking about leaving the USA?

Personally, I am contemplating seriously doing so.
Yes, England. But its not easy to become a british citizen!
 

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vive le Quebec libre :aktion033

Fish you can stay at my place till you find more suitable accomodations

Rent for a really nice apartment in my neighbourhood would cost you about 500$ US a month...

It is cold as hell in the winter though...
 

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As in most things it comes down to $$$$$. I think what they (Congress) really want is a kikback, or maybe a "guaranteed" winna! Maybe we should hook em all up with a free Root or Feist subscription!:hump:

Politicians always want a piece of the pie. Forget the moral argument, cause it holds no water. To continue on with this gambling is an "immoral" act argument is to admit they are no more than hypocrites. Indian casinos, state sponsored lotteries, bingo halls, betting lines posted in "conservative" newspapers. Hell you can pay to get your bone smoked in one state, yet go to jail if your own WIFE does it in the privacy of your own home in other states.

Bunch of hypocritcal jackals. Its all about the money. They can't regulate it and get a slice, so they want to do away with it. Lets ask what the former Drug Tsar and author of "Book of Virtues" has to say about taking away his right to spend his money the way he chooses? Fokin hypocrites.

Freedom and Liberty is what this country stands for and that's what you'll give up by voting for the "shrub".

Honor the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, rescind the Patriot Act and throw the self-righteous, right-wing bums outta office!:suomi:
 
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I have thought about it, any suggestions?
Fishhead said:
Are there any AMERICANS here thinking about leaving the USA?

Personally, I am contemplating seriously doing so.
 

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Even if they passed the bill, I don't believe offshore gambling would be stopped. Do you realize how hard it would be to police millions of online gambling transactions everyday? Near impossible. In my opinion the industry will adjust and things may get a bit tricky for awhile, but things would eventulally get back to normal.
Just my 2 cents worth...
 

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I can't tell you how many of the Libs who post here regularly promised us that if Bush were elected, Internet gambling would be made illegal overnight.

Four years later and nothing has happened.

The truth is there is significant money out there which is opposed to internet regulation.

While nobody wants to put a "face" on the movement it is the reason the Kyle bill keeps getting killed.

ISP's make far to much money from gambling and porn to let congress get started down this slippery slope.
 

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just wondering

I'm not a us citizen but its an interesting situation you guys have but i have a few questions.
a. If the bill banning wire transfers passes, how does that effect neteller? Its not a usa company, surely theres no way it can effect neteller.
b. If it passes surely its just a public face bill, act like its important pass it but it would be a lemon, they can't get records of transactions, customer lists from books not based in usa?

Maybe i'm missing the point but its interesting, it also effects people out of usa because we play at the books that will be effected if worst does come to worst.

My major book now are international all sports and ibetx but i like pinnacle and ehorse as well.

We can just hope it fails and if it passes hope its a lemon.
 

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thumbs up

I've been using exchanges for 2 years i think.

betfair
ibetx
ehorse-x

Betfairs my pick, i like the in running betting they have.
Ibetx is gaining on matched bets for horse racing, us horse racing is really picking up on there.

I wish they had more us football etc

they don't pay neteller fees

but withdrawals hit your account before you get there, quickest withdrawals of any book i've had.

8/10

just need more us sports/aussie sports they'd be great

played there i think since feb this year not certain
 

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SAN JOSE, Costa Rica, Oct. 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- We are disappointed by this week's passage of H.R. 5011 by the House Financial Services Committee. Many of the bill's goals are laudable -- particularly provisions to protect military personnel from bad financial sales practices, and to address a number of issues relating to terrorism and the 9/11 Commission's recommendations. The bill, however, also contains a surreptitious provision inserted by Alabama Representative Spencer Bachus to bar US citizens from using credit cards to place bets on online gambling sites.
It is regrettable that, rather than engaging in an open public dialogue on the issue of online gaming, some elected leaders would use the important issue of homeland security as a thinly-veiled opportunity to impose their own narrow views on Americans.


Further, the bill's provision to ban the use of US-issued credit cards on online gaming sites will undermine the financial transparency it purports to advocate. When the millions of American consumers who place bets online are unable to use their credit cards to do so, they are forced to use other financial tools, most of which are significantly less transparent than credit card transactions.

Some members of Congress have been unwilling to acknowledge that gambling is, particularly where practiced openly and legally, a safe and legitimate form of entertainment. Millions of Americans now enjoy participating in office Super Bowl pools, purchasing lottery tickets, visiting church or charity- sponsored bingo halls, or enjoying time at casino hotels and resorts. When properly regulated, online gaming is no different than any of these activities and provides the additional benefits of privacy, security and control. Online gaming is already a multi-billion dollar industry -- an industry that is legal and regulated in most of the western world. By taking a similar approach here, US lawmakers can make it possible for reputable and established companies, like my own, to operate here in the United States -- paying taxes, adhering to regulations, and playing a positive role as good corporate citizens.


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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041001/nyf104_1.html
 

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There IS a difference between Bush type conservatism and Kerry type liberalism. And it DOES effect this industry.

In terms of pushing a social, "moral" agenda, the Bush administration has, incredibly, forced on American and International citizens what they see as moral behavior via big government strong arm tactics. Whether it is withholding already allocated funds to international organizations who support abortion as a legitimate birth control and AIDS control, or using Federal grand juries to harass American advertisers of off shore gambling, the Bush administration uses extra legal Big Government tactics to uphold what they see as moral behavior.

There are many true conservatives who abhor this type of approach, but this is what Bush/Cheney has done. The Bush administraton has used similar tactics in the enviromental area. It's one thing to work with Congress to re-write legislation. But it's another thing entirely to withhold funding to emasculate Federal agencies designed to uphold valid environmental legislation, or to appoint former loggers and oil men to make decisions about Federal land use.

And those who think that there is any chance in hell that what Bush has done in Iraq is going to REDUCE the number of Islamic fanatics out there have really swallowed the best spin on a bad war there ever was. America's incursion into Iraq is the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda ever had. All the soldiers in the world cannot put down fundamentalist beliefs. Don't believe me? Israel has tried to strong arm Palestine into submission for 50 years now. If anything, Israelis are in more danger now than they were before. It is certainly no better. I know we are "in it for the long term" as Cheney has said. But 50 years?

It takes a much more nuanced, international approach to have any chance to achieve changing people's minds in other lands. And ENDING hard line approaches have had some success. Examples: France and Algeria. The current way Turkey handles its Moslem population.

This more creative, less combative approach is closer to Kerry's views than Bush's. And yet, Bush has succeeded in convincing Americans that American Might will actually strong arm the world into becoming Western type democracies, and get rid of the fundamentalists to boot. I wish this simplistic, militaristic approach would have a chance, cause that's where Bush has put us, but it is very wishful thinking indeed, especially for a country like Iraq.

The same thing is going to happen to us that happened to the British when they tried to westernize Iraq in the last century. The Brits failed so miserably after spending so much money and sending so many troops, the government failed.

I hope we change the government in 2004 instead of having to wait for 2008, but our current policy will fail. Men with guns (american troops) cannot change a country's heart and soul.
 

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Is it me, or are all republicans retarded? 49 percent of the people supporting Bush are trailor trash. Funny how these people don't realize that you can't get a tax break unless you actually have a JOB. The other 49 percent are wealthy men who understand that Bush is a moron yet love those tax breaks every year. Then you have the remaining two percent who will praise Bush no matter how badly he screws up.

Man they really have you guys brain washed.

Dante: We would not be safer with either president in office. Don't you know that the president does not make any major decisions? The president has advisors and aids that tell him what to say and do.

Look at some facts.

INTERNET GAMBLING PROHIBITION ACT: Introduced by REPUBLICANS
PATRIOT ACT: Introduced by President Bush
BILL TO TRY AND BAN PORNOGRAPHIC STATUES: Suggested by Attorney General Ashcroft (Put in my Bush)

These republicans are nothing more then religious crusaders who think it is their job to tell you how to live your life.

I don't know about you, but I am an adult and I don't need a couple of hicks telling me how to live my OWN life.
 

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