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That's no surprise, he's from a state that had laws against homosexuality.
 

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At least he has the balls to say it and not be afraid of the looney left or been politically correct.

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Finally he set an example for children (instead of just killing them) ...

maybe there's hope for the little Nazi Elf afterall??
 

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Yeah I guess it takes balls to be a bigot.

Actually it's a positive thing. The ultra-conserv bible thumping freaks are going to vote for him or someone even more conver any way, so they don't matter. This just makes it a lock that he won't be getting any of the gay vote.
 

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i am NOT gay. never have been - never will be.

HOWEVER

we are on this planet for a very short time span. IF it makes a guy happy to spend "quality" time with another guy to help make his life better off - i think they should be allowed to do so.

for all those who say how marriage should only be between a man and a woman - i would then say that with the divorce rate being soooooooooooo high in this country - it is obvious that marriages between men and women aren't quite working out so well. if men and women have a tough time staying married to each other - why not give men or women the chance to marry "their own?" after all - could the results be any worse? doubt it.

the pilgrims escaped england because of all of the religious B.S. they were getting. as i look around i really don't see how the environment the pilgrims escaped from is any different here than it was several hundred years ago.

until we get all of the religious freaks to stop running the country - we are all going to suffer. these same freaks make sure prostitution is illegal here (as opposed to europe where it is legal - and as a result the women are tested - and their income in taxed) but yet when a religious leader rapes and molests young boys that is worse than a man having sex with a hooker of legal age?

in other words - homosexual sex is more ok when it is a priest (or similar) raping a young boy against his will then it is for two CONSENTING ADULTS to have sex in the privacy of their own place?

am i missing something here?
 

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Winky, we are on this only for a short time and if it makes someoneone happy let's legalise marriage for mother and son, daughther and father, animal and man etc.

Now Bush is a bigot because he is against same sex marriage.

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Marriages traditionally were always intended to further the welfare and interests of society, not of individuals. The endorsement of the male-female union was merely to encourage a healthy, burgeoning growth of the general populace through the triadic relationship amongst the provider, the homemaker and the offspring. Innumerable legal benefits are provided to married couples for this reason. When a person has a family and children, that person is considered by society as a prima facie stable and respectable individual.

Traditionally marriages were more about fulfilling a certain familial/societal obligation as a member thereof, than adhering to personal whim or attractions to another. Marriage was never about endorsing love per se, nor even about endorsing love between a man and a woman. Love is a generic catchphrase - a fairly RECENT, Westernized concept/creation of mythical illusion - to create the impression that marriages are the byproduct of love, and to make marriage more attractive to the modern generations.

Society needs procreation to survive; same-sex unions cannot provide it and that is the main reason they were discouraged by society, deemed abnormal by the community, and condemned by most forms of religion. As the communal values of morality, diversity and tolerance shift and evolve, same-sex marriages will (has) eventually come to be tolerated, accepted, standardized, and ultimately (if not already) commercialized.

The idea that marriage is (should be) a byproduct of love is, in my opinion, wrong and repugnant (it'll require a separate thread to explain my reasons) to my sensibilities. However, that appears to be the current social climate - as long as two consenting, reasonable adults love one another, their sexual preference should not preclude them from receiving the communal, legal, and personal benefits that marriage arguably grants. I happen to agree with the conclusion, but for a different reason which I cannot get into here.

Parent-offspring unions have a whole separate problem, however. I'm sure truthteller was just rhetoricizing about it, but surely he understands that a parent and child (even at over 21 years of age) cannot by definition be on the same wavelength in terms of mutual power and respect. Add to it the practical problems of how their children should be defined (i.e. mother's son or father's grandson?) and the possibility of genetically-induced difficulties, and this is a no-go. Animal-man unions are not acceptable by the current social climate because such union is not indubitably consensual, along with about a million other reasons that are too obvious to discuss.

My stand on the issue of same-sex marriage is that it should not be an issue, because marriage as a concept is defunct and obsolete. The attempted coexistence of marriage and love is, for the most part, a failure, and whether it be between different sexes or the same sex, acceptance of love between two consenting adults does not entail acceptance of marriage as a standard to gauge that love.
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**** you Joint. They just move from the Shitty part of Minnesota to the enlightened part and generate the wealth that you take advantage of up there.

And you better get used to it, because there are a ****-ton of homosexuals in Minnesota.
 

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Gays don't create they recruit.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Gays don't create they recruit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually gay people are a much smaller drain on society as they often have two educated workers to a household which both pay taxes which pays for the park that the straight parents' kids play on...

In the event they do want children they usually adopt which means one less child that the state is paying for in a foster care/orphan situation, resulting in even more savings for the state.

Not to mention most gay-friendly politicians keep their grubby hands off of our gambling, which is why we are all at this site in the first place!
 

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Furthermore, True conservatives are holding themselves back on this issue. If they'd let this one slide, much as if the liberals would let gun control slide, they would gain so many people to their side.

I know so many socially liberal gun owners who vote republican because they are scared of losing their gun.

I know equally many Gay people who are fiscally conservative and have had it with welfare, etc who vote democrat because they are scared of the homophobic republican leadership.

its sad to see. Both parties shooting themselves in the foot.
 

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When discussing the issue of gay marriage: "Yes, I am mindful that we're all sinners," the president said Wednesday when asked for his views on homosexuality. "And I caution those who may try to take the speck out of the neighbor's eye when they've got a log in their own."

LMAO, wil.
 

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A good percentage of Americans are backwoods homofobes. The Bush regime must be worse to live under than most third world countries. This guys a nutball dictator. Next thing you know smoking a joint will get you jail time. This guy dictates every movement and usage of your own bodies and you brainwashed twits eat it up. Must be nice. I like to Live and let live.
 

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Bigotry seems to be greatest in those places where religion has the most influence.

Those places, where religion promotes hatred against people, are all over the world.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Next thing you know smoking a joint will get you jail time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I'm all for this. The more pressure on my kid not to smoke weed & become a fuking worthless drain-on-society pothead the BETTER.
 

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i have to disagree with pot, here, although i see potheads as a waste of space, i believe in the right of anyone for his occasional joint without feeling like a criminal, alcohol is not much better, actually as far as violence and addictions go alcohol is much worse, and yet it is not only legal but socialy endorsed.

"The more pressure on my kid not to smoke weed & become a fuking worthless drain-on-society pothead the BETTER."

yeap, but apparently if the kid smokes weed, drinks alcohol like a petrol tanker, and snorts a kilo a coke a day, then this kid is on an express way to the white house, or so recent history has proved.
 

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Funk,

Shitty part of Minnesota? Really, then tell all those big city boyz, girlz and fags to stop vacationing up her in Gods country. Stay off our lakes and stop coming up here to hunt.

As far as wealth goes per household I believe you're wwwwrrrrooonngggg. The richest of the rich may live in the big cities but thats also were most of the welfare as well as the crime is located.

Yeah MinniMurderapolis is dense with homos but that is do in part because of governmental grants given to hospitals to reasearch AIDS drugs. They basically recruit AIDS patients from all over the country and furthermore, since Clinton was elected, from all over the world. Nearly all Somalians and Asians vote democratic and Clinton knew this. They know that in order to get a very nice sized welfare check you vote for the democrat. The democrats need a higher quantity of people wanting attractive government handouts. Immigration must be controlled and Bush is at least looking at the subject.

Compare Bush counties to Gore counties and you'll see were the drain is located.
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I'm against gay marriage. It's not right and if they get a marriage license what's to prevent thm from adopting a child. I don't believe an innocent child should be brought up believing smae sex marriage is acceptable.

I don't care what they do behind close doors but they don't need to be married.

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