GoSooners: Agreed. That game will be worth the money this year. I am not saying OU is a lock, nothing like that. The longhorn guy got me riled and that fired me up. That is exactly what will happen when these two teams meet in Dallas. We can replay last years woulda, coulda, shouldas all offseason long. We can banter about what might and might not happen when they "hook em" up in October. It's all opinions and it will all play out. I am more optomistic about OU's overall chances than you. I think playing BYU and Miami will pay dividends when they do play Texas as long as the injury bug doesn't bite. Sadly, I'm more excited about talking about this stuff than I am about this years super bowl. Withdrawal is a bitch.
Russ...I've got quite a few friends and family members who live in Texas. And a few of these friends are on top of the Texas program and what is happening down there. So we trade some pretty good info when it comes to our respective teams. I can tell you that the only player of any significance that Texas loses on offense is Quan Cosby. But they have Malcom Williams waiting in the wings. And I believe that he'll be just as good right out of the chute. Plus their other receiver Shipley won something like a tenth year of eligibilty. It's ridiculous how long it feels like he's been there. At any rate they don't lose anything on offense. And that probably means we'll see an improvement out of them that will be something like how much OU improved on offense this past season over the year before. Like I said, the only position that Texas will be hurting a little at on defense will be the tackle position. Mainly because Miller won't be there to double team, and they won't have much depth there. But besides that one player, I don't believe that they'll miss a beat. Texas will be good next year. Good enough to make it into the BCS title game? Maybe. Good enough to beat Florida if they get there..No. But nobody else is either. I think next year's BCS title is the gators to lose. But I also think they are a terrible value play at +175. So I'll just leave that bet alone. But I do think they have a great chance to be the first team to repeat since Nebraska in the mid 90's./ Right now, Urban Meyer is ahead of the curve as far as being an offensive tactition with his Utah offense. I compare it to the San Francisco 49ers west coast offense when it first came on the scene. Nobody knew how to stop it. It took a few years for coaches to figure it out. And even today it's still a good offense to run. When a team averages 45 ppg in the SEC this tells me that they are a ways away from getting this team figured out. If you stop this offense one way they can beat you another. They proved this against OU in the second half of their game. There is a lot of versatility to the Utah offense. Eventually the opposing coaches will figure it out. But with Florida having an even better defense next season plus an outrageously easy schedule, I don't see anybody keeping them out of the title game unless we have a rapture on earth and Tebow leaves us early. But barring injuries this team should repeat. Basically because i don't see enough improvement by another one of the major powers that will be good enough to overtake them. USC is the only other team with the personnel and the coaching to compete with them. But I look for the Trojans to lose their token conference game, or possibly get upset by Ohio State. So because of their schedule I believe their chances go down a little next season from this years team.
I expect the Texas Off to improved overall and their schedule will help them feast on all the cupcakes. I also agree that Florida should make it but I don't think they do and my belief that just one loss knocks you out in 09.
I may be way ahead of myself even talking about the OU/Texas matchup in 09. The only dept. I will concede is that of DC with a big edge to Texas.
You alluded to the adjustments Texas made in the second half of last yrs game. Reynolds was out and Venebles could not make the adjustments or at least not with what he had to work with at LB. Big difference without Reynolds. Also OU's inability to run (48 yards) killed their balance of attack. Do you think Texas is going to hold OU to 48 yards rushing next year? Add in the TD KR and that equation is totally different.
I appreciate your input and in fact you point out relevant and helpful things to me all the time. I usually start out pessimistic and either work my way out of it or not. I started out pessimistic on OU's chances against Texas in 09 and the more I delved into it the more optomistic I have become. Are your friends and relatives close enough to campus to spike the kool aid at practice sometime?
I may be way ahead of myself even talking about the OU/Texas matchup in 09. The only dept. I will concede is that of DC with a big edge to Texas.
You alluded to the adjustments Texas made in the second half of last yrs game. Reynolds was out and Venebles could not make the adjustments or at least not with what he had to work with at LB. Big difference without Reynolds. Also OU's inability to run (48 yards) killed their balance of attack. Do you think Texas is going to hold OU to 48 yards rushing next year? Add in the TD KR and that equation is totally different.
I appreciate your input and in fact you point out relevant and helpful things to me all the time. I usually start out pessimistic and either work my way out of it or not. I started out pessimistic on OU's chances against Texas in 09 and the more I delved into it the more optomistic I have become. Are your friends and relatives close enough to campus to spike the kool aid at practice sometime?
Now this is MUCH closer to what is expected to happen to Texas next fall. Miller will be missed dearly in the middle. But exactly as you stated, the D-ends and Muschamp's ability to scheme will make up for that. We Longhorn backers can only pray to god that Texas changes their run blocking from zone technique to straight ahead run blocking. If that doesn't change, Texas ain't going anywhere. Texas MUST FIND A RUNNING GAME.
And Jamarcus McFarland will be a bust.....:lol:
You know JB, the thought that coaches and college presidents would schedule any kind of game to "avoid" a loss makes me sick to my gut. What kind of attitude is that for an aspiring championship team to have based on the fear of losing? If a school is championship caliber, it needs to take on tougher opponents to show everyone that they deserve the rank they think they should have. That's the right kind of thinking. Anything less should be thought of and treated for what it is, less than top drawer material.
That's why I ride some of the SEC teams as much as I do and when their fans start talking that kind of garbage such as "we don't have to" or "why shouldn't we just take 4 cupcakes and get the wins (says their coach to keep his job,) it literally nauseates me. That's just an excuse to get out of what most major BCS schools do on a yearly basis and it shows little competitive spirit or confidence in their team.
You can't just avoid or back down from the challenges that the BCS and the rest of CFB brings to the table and not be called on it. What a bunch of wussies! Maybe there's something they are hiding but they are not willing to be tested for fear of being exposed. No accountability is a tactic that only losers need to win out. Such teams are not deserving of the title of "Champion" because the road to the championship should be plenty tough in many ways so the champ is above reproach.
You can't take a reclusive team like Florida who never plays natioal teams that are ranked and say they are the national champion because they won one game vs "the field." Well you can (obviously) but it cheapens a championship title if you do. It lowers the standard for a national champion to make it to the top by virtue of one win vs only one national opponent.
As long as there are loopholes in the reqirements or no requirements at all, there will be those who exploit that instead of taking on a fair share of national competition in the spirit of winning a national title.
Minimum scheduling standards need to be set for any team that wants into a NC playoff or NC game.
Why is the SEC something like 13-5 in BCS games and now 5-0 in BCS national championship games? FSU was nationally ranked this year and UF went to Tally and whipped ass. Your arguments are out of pure jealousy. Maybe that's because the Pac-shit has won exactly 2 outright titles since 1970... please explain this, thanks.
And FYI, UF played more ranked teams than USC... who gives a shit what conference they're from, the SEC proved they are the BEST conference yet again in the bowls. The SEC has won more outright titles in the last 3 years than the Pac-shit has won since 1970. Hell, Florida has won just as many in the last 3 and has won more since 1996. Your jealous, sad and bitter. Go clear your head and take a walk.
Conan: Looks like flsunman has been out in the sun too long. Don't bother even giving him a reply. My dad used to say " you can't shame a man with no pride". Guys like flsunman obviously do not know how to deal with success even if it is only by association. I am sure that the coaches and players for Florida would be ashamed to be associated with flsunman's classless boasts and his pointless need to run other teams down. He detracts from their success and has not realized he has nothing to do with it personally. There is the Gator Chop and there is a Gaytor Chump (and he is among us).
Hate to break it to you, but the current system, as it is, has already cheapened our MYTHICAL Nat'l Championship. This is why we call it a mythical nat'l championship, and always will, until a playoff system is in place.
I'm telling you what the truth's of college football are, as much as we fans hate it. The system is extremely unfair to us fans, BUT WE DON'T MATTER. People and fans need to realize that. Even though it's us that fill the coffers of these prestigious programs. My dues are due in 1 month to the Longhorn foundation. You think I feel like paying what I'm about to have to cough up for that non-conference schedule? HELL NO! Sure I'd like to pay to see USC, Florida and Penn State come to Memorial-Stadium to play Texas, BUT IT AIN'T HAPPENING! College football comes down to money, and money alone. And the way to make more money for your program is to win, STRAIGHT UP. If you win against a weak OOC opponent, it's not the same as winning against a strong OOC opponent. But a win against a weak OOC opponent means many more dollars in the long run than a loss against a strong OOC opponent. Losses kill you in college football. It may nauseate you, but unfortunately it's the truth. Our current system overall should nauseate any true college football fan. But again, we're dealt w/ these rules, so programs will play by them. Again, It's called a MYTHICAL National Championship for a reason. Because it's exactly that, and it always has been. MYTHICAL. And you've hit my point exactly....the goal is to get to the Nat'l Championship game. From there, anything can happen. I don't care who's played who. Sure, it helps to have known you've been through some battles. But as long as you're in the last battle, you have a 50-50 shot at winning. That's my point.
You guys are right on. What it amounts to now is who has the path of least resistance. This year it is Florida (who does have to face Fl. St. and LSU) and Texas (who does have to beat OU and OSU). OU does have a tougher overall schedule than those two but theoretically they could lose to Miami Fl and BYU, beat Texas & OSU and go on to win the Big 12 championship. At that point winning the Big 12 is no consolation and a national title shot is out. I can see USC running the table. Ohio st and Penn st could run the table (somehow) but both teams are depleted and couldn't hold up against Flo, Tex, or OU. I have stressed many times that all you can say is that it is a mythical title. Despite the floridians claim to fame that is all it is. Granted we would all like our teams to win it, no doubt about that. You are right, the fans have no say in the matter. It is all about the College Presidents, The A.D.'s, and the TV mongols. Follow the money is how I see it. We all suffer and it detracts from something that you should be able to hold your head up high about accomplishing. It gives rise to all this back and forth rhetoric and it will just go on and on. Amen.
Well at least most conferences don't operate that way so we do get to see a few marquee matchups every year.
The B-12, Pac-10 and B-10 are known for taking on opponents from around the country. I'm sure that if any of them played the kind of OOC schedules the SEC does, you'd see these conferences represented in the top 10 about as often as the SEC. It would also cast a false impression of how good they really are the same way the SEC has become the "phantom" best conference in people's eyes. But where's the proof? Who did they beat?
One NC game proves nothing as far as which conference's teams have proven themselves to be the best.
One thing I do like about it though is that you can fade SEC sides and even bet against them on the moneyline and make big bucks whenever they do play a national contender. It takes some guts to wager against them because there is SO MUCH hype to disregard, but rest assured, **they are a loser at the window. False ratings are a sharp gamblers best friend.
**Last season was the exception because most of them [aside from FL and AL] were dogs going into their bowl games which is a pretty rare thing to see. But what do you expect when Kentucky and Mississippi end up bowl eligible in a conference that's supposedly as strong as the SEC?
If you believe all the hype about that conference, you will have a hard time supporting it with facts and statistics, especially as far as head to head W/L results go, and that goes double if you throw out the cupcakes. Things just don't add up.
Bottom line is that teams like Florida win their NC because they manipulate their schedule and limit their opposition. That's not real football, it's some kind of pansy chess game played off the field in a back office.
The B-12, Pac-10 and B-10 are known for taking on opponents from around the country. I'm sure that if any of them played the kind of OOC schedules the SEC does, you'd see these conferences represented in the top 10 about as often as the SEC. It would also cast a false impression of how good they really are the same way the SEC has become the "phantom" best conference in people's eyes. But where's the proof? Who did they beat?
One NC game proves nothing as far as which conference's teams have proven themselves to be the best.
One thing I do like about it though is that you can fade SEC sides and even bet against them on the moneyline and make big bucks whenever they do play a national contender. It takes some guts to wager against them because there is SO MUCH hype to disregard, but rest assured, **they are a loser at the window. False ratings are a sharp gamblers best friend.
**Last season was the exception because most of them [aside from FL and AL] were dogs going into their bowl games which is a pretty rare thing to see. But what do you expect when Kentucky and Mississippi end up bowl eligible in a conference that's supposedly as strong as the SEC?
If you believe all the hype about that conference, you will have a hard time supporting it with facts and statistics, especially as far as head to head W/L results go, and that goes double if you throw out the cupcakes. Things just don't add up.
Bottom line is that teams like Florida win their NC because they manipulate their schedule and limit their opposition. That's not real football, it's some kind of pansy chess game played off the field in a back office.
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Again, you are bitter and stupid. UF played MORE ranked teams than USC... please explain because your logic is totally flawed. Please explain why the SEC is undefeated in BCS national title games and is 13-5 in BCS games overall. I'm waiting.... If you were a guest anchor on college football live and spewed this garbage I assure you the producer would hand you a check on the first commercial break and tell you to get out immediately! HE may even tell you to kill yourself, who knows.
jblonghorn...Quit trying to explain the dollars and cents about college football in defending Texas. Texas has got so much money it's ridiculous. They are the last school that needs to worry about money. They've got more money than Jerry's Kids. Besides that, I guarantee you they made a hell of a lot more money in scheduling Ohio State in their home and home a few years back than what they'll make on 20 of these cupcakes. And a win against a non BCS opponent means nothing. Quit trying to say it means money in the bank for later on. It doesn't. A win over one of these schools means almost nothing in the big picture. A close loss over a strong school actually means more than a win over one of these cupcakes. This needs to end. Your getting nowhere with this board in justifying this stupid move by the Texas athletic department. If this was OU with the cupcake schedule and Texas playing BYU and Miami, you would be all over the place on here complaining about OU's easy schedule. You know it's a bad idea. Just leave it alone. Your blowing hot air. By the way, when they beat Ohio State the Horns won the national championship. That game paid dividends in many ways, and not just their BCS standing. But their overall team strength and confidence going into the season... When they lost to Ohio State the next year, all they had to do was win one of their last 2 Big 12 games and they would have been in a BCS bowl. Ohio State didn't end up keeping them from making big money in a BCS game, Kansas State and Texas A&M did. So losing an early season game doesn't necessarily spell disaster. I can name many teams who lost early OOC games and came back and made $15 million for their school playing in a BCS bowl. So there really is no excuse for what Texas is doing with their schedule. So let's end it right here.
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What are you reading GS? How many damned times do I have to say it sucks who Texas is playing? Who the hell am I defending? I'm telling you WHY they do it. I'm not defending their actions. You're picking and choosing what to read and not read. Jesus Christ. Pull the corn-cob outta your ass or get over your last loss. You're crazy if you think a loss to a "BIG" school is better than a win from a cupcake. Go tell Bob that and see how fast he throws you out of his office. Why the hell do you think Notre Dame is doing what they're doing with their schedule these next few years? THEY ARE WATERING IT DOWN!!!! Get over yourself. You're not always right.
And that year that TEXAS lost to Ohio State, you say they would've been in a BCS Bowl? Yeah, a BCS bowl, but not THE BCS NAT'L CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. That's what I'm saying, can you not understand?
JB: What riles non Texas fans, at least a lot of us, was having to see Mack on ESPN pleading his case about why his team should go to the Big 12 Championship game. He cried and whined, even condoned (at least he could have requested to have it called of) a fly over at the OSU/OU game that weekend with the OU/Texas score on it. Totally classless. Stoops turned down ESPN to plead his case because he has more class. Why did all of this transpire? Because of their pud ass schedule they got passed in the end. Our point is, if your schedule is pud it is not by happen stance, it is planned and Big Mack is a hands on guy. So sometimes when and if you go undefeated you, like Utah, can cry and whine and use ESPN as a vehicle to win votes in the polls. OU did not cry and whine because Bob has more class, OU's schedule spoke for itself, and because you should not have to plead your case on national TV (I understand standing up for your players but the players did make the schedule). That is what is all about. You make a decent schedule and you don't have to put your team through all the bullshit. In my opinion, whoever is responsible for and/or approves a pud ass schedule usually get what they deserve in the end. You as a fan have to defend your school because you are loyal and because they have put you into that position (because of the scheduling deficencies). The Big 12 should have become a ten team conference and scheduled everyone in the conference every year like the Pac l0. That allows a little more leniency with OOC scheduling. Sure it would be tough but the Pac 10 does it every year. I think that conference championships are stupid and in the long run can hurt the conference and cause stupid ass controversies like the one last year. That was embarrasing for the conference and the two teams who were involved.
No Texas isn't the only school but it is ridiculous. I find the texas schedule an absolute joke and any fan with a right mind should agree. I challenge you to find a weaker slate from any other BCS contender.
JOKE!
This has to be the most pussy schedule that I have ever seen outside of the SEC.
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Date Time TV Team
09/05 Louisiana Monroe
09/12 at Wyoming
09/19 Central Florida
09/26 Texas El Paso
10/10 Colorado
10/17 Oklahoma (at The Cotton Bowl)
10/24 at Missouri
10/31 at Oklahoma State
11/07 Texas Tech
11/14 at Baylor
11/21 Kansas
11/26 7:00p ESPN at Texas A&M
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