secondary plays....leans....general info....chits and giggles....
aside from phillips-lerma,ishii-larios and barr-brewer( to a lesser extent),these are leans and opinions only......my main plays are in my other main"boxing futures" post.....although the lerma-phillips over is one i love,the odds force me to play it smaller than i`d like....
1)phillips-lerma over 9.5......-300.....a hefty price to pay......just about my limit.....both guys extremely durable......neither what i`d call a big puncher....these are "espn fighters"....guys that are just outside the periphery of top contenders,so they aren`t as expensive to pay,they are seasoned pros and have fought very tough competition on a regular basis...and they always go rounds....this way espn doesn`t have to pay extra for" fill" bouts.....good,dependable pro`s....right outside or at the bottom of the top 10.....
barring a cut or a butt,should go the distance.... opponents fought...
verno phillips- julian jackson....bronco mckart...kassim ouma....santos cardona....gianfranco rosi...silvio branco.....shibata flores....lupe aquino....
michael lerma- wilfrdo rivera.....kassim ouma.....j.c. candelo twice....alex bunema...mauro lucero....jason papillion....raul marquez....alfred ankamah....
no stoppages of our guys in the bunch....vs some very good guys......pretty amazing...you`d expect a cut or butt somewhere in there...
you get the drift...a heavy price....it might even be -320 now...ouch....keep an eye on 5 dimes....sometimes they open up a little light...
a cut or a headbutt....that looks like the only way this doesn`t go the distance....imo....if this was -200 or even-250 i`d take the rubberband off...
2)freeman barr-charles brewer under 6.5....-130.....only reason i take a small flyer here is brewer`s history, barr`s record and the reasonable odds.....brewer is known for stalking his opponents and making them fight......brewer`s chin has also always been suspect....
barr`s 3 losses have been by k.o.,or t.k.o in 3,5 and round 8.....he obviously can be hurt by decent punchers....in brewer,he`s probably seeing the biggest puncher he`s ever faced....he was stopped by bert schenk,rito ruvalcaba and some russian named mgertian or something.....ruvalcaba is a good journeyman with pretty decent power and a poor chin himself.....schenk is in many top 10 lists....from denmark....i hear he`s a good fighter....the russian....17-1 w/12 k.o.`s....
everybody else on barr`s record are basically nobody`s.....fluff....
the odds pushed me over.....if barr runs,it could be tough....not a slam dunk....but,given all the facts,i`ll take a small shot....and you never know.....brewer`s chin can be had....and he`s usually reckless...
3a)tye fields-sherman williams under 9.5....-120.......fields is a monster...6`8" or something and 280 lbs.....all muscle......a lefty to boot......a bodybuilder(uhhh ohhh)....
fields.....28-1 w/27 k.o.`s.....unreal....and get this...1 unanimous 5 round decision......one k.o. in rd 3......everything else was a 1st or second round k.o......
a bodybuilder....from what i got from friends that saw him fight,they suspect that fields will have a stamina problem....all that muscle....all that size....being white.....none of his wins,none of his fights for that matter,have been vs anyone even remotely decent.....if he doesn`t get williams out early,it could be a problem....
williams.......23-7-1.....12 k.o.`s....the record`s nothing special.......hell,he`s only 6 foot tall.....but,he`s tough and battle tested against very,very good second tier heavyweights and a couple top 10 guys....
lost decisions to prospect taurus sykes....beat big punching samson pou`ha by maj decision.....decisioned al "ice" cole.....lost a majority decision to obed sullivan.....and he DREW with top 10 heavyweight jameel mccline.....yep,that`s 6`7" tall jameel mccline that stopped michael grant and beat shannon briggs and goofi whitaker....the mccline fight would indicate that williams can be competitive with a good,tall fighter....
this guy`s no pug......he could very well stretch this fight out.....it could be ugly......and what will this behemoth do in a real fight vs a tough opponent?......that`s why i`m also taking williams +118 as a hedge.....
scenario`s....
a)fields is a monster...k.o.`s williams just like the rest....i hit the under...lose my williams bet....no sweat...
b)williams gets out of the first few rounds.....fields feels the heat of fighting a warm body for the first time....having to fight a long grueling bout....may get stopped himself in the middle to late rounds...maybe exhaustion gets him.....2 way hit .....
c)fields somehow manages to survive for 10 rds for the first time in his career and gets a decision.....i get it in the front and back end....don`t even get a wraparound.......
this one`s for fun....very small....just for curiosity`s sake....seeing if this big white guy really has anything....should be enjoyable......
if you play it,don`t hurt yourself....it`s for fun....
3b)sherman williams+118.....see above...more b.s....just fun...
4)larios-ishii over 9.5..-120..self explanatory...ishii has been stopped twice in championship bouts.....once in the 12th....and once in the 11th.....vs tough guys yober ortega and nestor garza.....
larios is fairly tall and a slashing puncher....but usually goes deep into his fights....not a big,big puncher....it`s in japan,ishii is 33-3 and yet only 26 yrs old......experienced....and as i said,the 2 late stoppages were vs very tough guys in world title fights....
the odds are reasonable....
5)potpourri.....some bouts i`d like to play......not sure if i will or not...
trujillo/villalta under 8...trujillo coming off his first loss to tough,tough javier jauregui......got pretty cut up....but,trujillo is an excellent boxer-puncher that can get you out of there....villalta has a very good record and can punch....but really isn`t in trujillo`s class....it`s up to trujillo how hard he wants to impress on t.v....i suspect he`ll look to come back strong off the loss.....something is holding me back here....sometimes trujillo just outboxes his opponents...
i`d like to take a flyer on jo`el scott vs ray austin...but,i understand that a solid capper i know has a play on austin.....i understand why austin is favored....austin is tall....and durable....not a real big puncher for his size.....scott was a big-time prospect in the mid to late 90`s..... enormous punching power.....disappeared from 96 to 2000(prison?).....came back and signed with s.r. leonard....an inexplicable kayo loss to bum frances royal.....
may play the under.....i wish austin was a bigger puncher.....
bradley-cervera over 9.5 rds.....-135.....waffling a little......bradley was a solid middleweight back in the mid 90`s...a champion with some solid wins...took time for a detached retina and something else must have happened....stopped fighting from mid 97 to 99 because of the eye.....had 2 fights vs nobody`s in 99....didn`t fight again until 06/02 vs a horrible journeyman whom he didn`t stop.....
now another year passes,and bradley decides to fight again at 35 yrs old.....vs durable nicholas cervera.....
cervera has a decent record(30-4) but a good deal of that was as a welterweight......he was stopped in his last fight vs jermain taylor in the 4th round(taylor is considered the can`t miss next mdlwt champion)....cervera has gone 12 with tough carl daniels and rafael pineda....
i want to take the over but cervera is not particularly skilled and is very wide with his punches..and was a welterweight and has grown into a middlewt....bradley is a legit middle.... but cervera is normally durable.....despite the taylor loss....taylor could be something very special
the bradley layoff makes me think there`s no way he can be sharp.....and he`s 35.....he has 20 k.o.`s but doesn`t stop the better fighters on his record....
put this on the shelf....opinions welcome...
i could go on....getting cross eyed.....opinions welcomed....yea or nea.....throw your 2 cents in...tons coming up that aren`t lined yet....these are some of the more recent ones....
whew....g.l.....and make your own decisions...
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