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Rupert...you are like a broken disco record from Comisky Park...if you don't shut up about Bonds, I won't let you beat me at pool anymore....
 

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I think his NewEra hats went from size 7 in the late 80s to size 10 now. And his shoe size went from size 9 to size 18... I guess some people start puberty late.
 

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Bonds bought it upon himself all the people dissing him. However he was a Hall of Famer even before the Steroid & HGH controversy. He only did what 40% of the other players did. I respect Bonds as a great player but put an * on all his record breaking accomplishments.
 

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No doubt he was a HOF'er up to 1999. Anything beyond that should not counted on his stats.

When you go from .688 slugging % at age 35 to .863 at age 36, something is fishy.
 

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No doubt he was a HOF'er up to 1999. Anything beyond that should not counted on his stats.

When you go from .688 slugging % at age 35 to .863 at age 36, something is fishy.


Hank Aaron went from .514 slugging % at age 38 to , .643 ( the highest of his 23 year career I might add ) at age 39 ...


Fishy ? , No I don't think so.
 

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Bonds went up way more. Plus Aaron's spike was one year.

Bonds was four consective years until BALCO was exposed.


2001 36 .863
2002 37 .799
2003 38 .749
2004 39 .812

When he retires at the end of the year, he'll be questioned for HOF and not get in on his first try.
 

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Bonds went up way more. Plus Aaron's spike was one year.

Bonds was four consective years until BALCO was exposed.


2001 36 .863
2002 37 .799
2003 38 .749
2004 39 .812

When he retires at the end of the year, he'll be questioned for HOF and not get in on his first try.

His main year in question is 2001 when he hit 73 homers, and next time list more stats , anybody that gets this amount of walks , usually tends to have the highest slugging % too ( go figure. ) Guess who else got alot of walks ... Babe Ruth ( who happens to be the alltime slugging leader )

2001 - 177 Walks
2002 - 198 Walks ( Record )
2003 - 148 Walks
2004 - 232 Walks ( Record )

When you have an eye this good , and that much respect/fear from pitchers .. Its only natural your gonna get better pitches to hit.

Duh !
 

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some of these people are really digging deep now.........

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003621797


By Michael Witte

Published: August 06, 2007 10:45 AM

NEW YORK (Commentary) Beyond his alleged steroid use, Barry Bonds is guilty of the use of something that confers extraordinarily unfair mechanical advantage: the “armor” that he wears on his right elbow. Amid the press frenzy over Bonds’ unnatural bulk, the true role of the object on his right arm has simply gone unnoticed.

This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds’ front arm “armor” may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total.
Bonds tied Henry Aaron’s home run record of 755 on Saturday night and will go for the new standard this week back at home in San Francisco.

As a student of baseball – and currently a mechanics consultant to a major league baseball team -- I believe I have insight into the Bonds "achievement." I have studied his swing countless times on video and examined the mechanical gear closely through photographs.

For years, sportswriters remarked that his massive "protective" gear – unequaled in all of baseball -- permits Bonds to lean over the plate without fear of being hit by a pitch. Thus situated, Bonds can handle the outside pitch (where most pitchers live) unusually well. This is unfair advantage enough, but no longer controversial. However, it is only one of at least seven (largely unexplored) advantages conferred by the apparatus.

The other six:

1) The apparatus is hinged at the elbow. It is a literal "hitting machine" that allows Bonds to release his front arm on the same plane during every swing. It largely accounts for the seemingly magical consistency of every Bonds stroke.

2) The apparatus locks at the elbow when the lead arm is fully elongated because of a small flap at the top of the bottom section that fits into a groove in the bottom of the top section. The locked arm forms a rigid front arm fulcrum that allows extraordinary, maximally efficient explosion of the levers of Bonds' wrists. Bonds hands are quicker than those of average hitters because of his mechanical "assistant."

3) When Bonds swings, the weight of the apparatus helps to seal his inner upper arm to his torso at impact. Thus "connected," he automatically hits the ball with the weight of his entire body - not just his arms - as average hitters ("extending") tend to do.

4) Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a "protector" facing a batting practice pitcher. As he tires, his front arm elbow tends to lift and he swings under the ball, producing towering pop flies or topspin liners that stay in the park. When the apparatus is worn, its weight keeps his elbow down and he drives the ball with backspin.

5) Bonds enjoys quicker access to the inside pitch than average hitters because his "assistant" - counter-intuitively - allows him to turn more rapidly. Everyone understands that skaters accelerate their spins by pulling their arms into their torsos, closer to their axes of rotation. When Bonds is confronted with an inside pitch, he spins like a skater because his upper front arm is "assistant"-sealed tightly against the side of his chest.

6) At impact, Bonds has additional mass (the weight of his "assistant") not available to the average hitter. The combined weight of "assistant" and bat is probably equal to the weight of the lumber wielded by Babe Ruth but with more manageable weight distribution.

At the moment, Bonds' apparatus enjoys "grandfathered" status. Similar devices are presently denied to average
major leaguers, who must present evidence of injury before receiving an exemption.

Bonds has worn some sort of front arm protection since 1992. In '94, a one-piece forearm guard was replaced by a jointed, two piece elbow model. In ‘95 it got bigger and a small "cap" on the elbow was replaced by a "flap" that overlapped the upper piece and locked the two pieces together when the arm was elongated. In '96, the "apparatus" grew even larger and so did the "flap."

It seems to have remained relatively the same until -- interestingly— 2001, the year of his record 73 home runs, when an advanced model appeared made (apparently) of a new material. It had softer edges and a groove for the flap to slip into automatically at full arm elongation. More important, the upper half of the machine was sculpted to conform more comfortably to the contours of Bonds' upper arm. Since 2001, the apparatus seems to have remained relatively unchanged.

Several years back, baseball was rightfully scandalized by the revelation that Sammy Sosa had "corked" his bat. The advantages conferred by the Bonds "hitting machine," however, far exceed anything supplied by cork. Ultimately, it appears the Bonds "achievement” must be regarded as partly the product of “double duplicity" -- steroidal and mechanical.
Michael Witte (gmitchell@editorandpublisher.com) is a well-known illustrator whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, Time, Sports Illustrated, The Wall Street Journal and dozens of other publications. The New Yorker recently wrote a piece about him and his study of mechanics, and he is presently a paid consultant to a major league team on mechanics. He appeared on network TV coverage of the 2003 World Series, providing cartoon sketches of some of the action.
 

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His main year in question is 2001 when he hit 73 homers, and next time list more stats , anybody that gets this amount of walks , usually tends to have the highest slugging % too ( go figure. ) Guess who else got alot of walks ... Babe Ruth ( who happens to be the alltime slugging leader )

2001 - 177 Walks
2002 - 198 Walks ( Record )
2003 - 148 Walks
2004 - 232 Walks ( Record )

When you have an eye this good , and that much respect/fear from pitchers .. Its only natural your gonna get better pitches to hit.

Duh !

The 8th place hitter in the NL gets walked a lot too. Wonder why?
 

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Bonds deserves credit. The 3 records I thought I'd never see broken Bonds broke 2. Ruth's Slugging Pct. for a season, and Ruth's Walks in a season. Hack Wilson's 190 RBI's still stands. Thats kind of remarkable.
The steroid era say from 1994-2004 does dampen his accomplishments. From
1938 to 1994 56 yrs. only 3 players had a season slugging over .700. Mantle once, Musial once & Williams 3 times.

In the steroid era McGuire, Bagwell, Sosa, F. Thomas, Belle & Walker join Bonds on this unholy march on the records. Only Bonds of the bunch rates up there with Mantle, Musial.

Only Williams ranks with the Babe, Bonds who was better at 39 than he was at 29 because of the juice falls a bit short.
 

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