Fair enough, you're quick to call out bullshit, eh? Well, what about Bodogs owner(IN THE PRESENT) was involved in some shady shit??? Is that bullshit Wil? You have a problem with bullshit, right?
And what about the fact that BOS stiffed a player for over $500K, is that bullshit too? Don't bring in the fact it is new owership. If you were owed money from Mc'ds for working there, and burger king bought them out, you would still get paid, right?
BB
And what about the fact that BOS stiffed a player for over $500K, is that bullshit too? Don't bring in the fact it is new owership. If you were owed money from Mc'ds for working there, and burger king bought them out, you would still get paid, right?
BB
wilheim said:
Here we go turn this into a bash BOS thread. I have said this before - have the guy (the actual player) who was stiffed for the $500k and I will see what I can do.. As far as BODOG ownership goes I have no idea what you are talking about. I imagine a bright light like youself has all the facts though, otherwise you wouldn't spout off on a sports wagering forum..
wil..
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Judge Wapner said:
That doesn't say much to me Judge...while I respect your opinion as much (or more) than anyone on this site, comparing him to others in this industry is useless in my opinion. This industry is filled with scum and scammers.
He is no different in my opinion. He has more money now than he can even give away. Not a big deal to pay back people you stole from to clear your conscience when it doesn't hurt your current financial situation.
Just curious as to what you think would have happened if BoDog did not make millions?
Clip only have the overall story. But sure I could get details. Shoot me an email at loman33@hotmail. I'll see what I can find out for you. I know it's sad when I end up respecting someone for doing the right thing. But is becoming rare these days. I have been stiffed so many times I can't keep track anymore. When someone does make good on an old debt, I am shocked. Not many saints in this biz. Don't have the answer to your last question.
Judge Wapner said:
I don't need any info...just curious if you wanted to swap facts. I have all the details I need on the guy and the events that took place. He's a crook...plain and simple in my eyes.
I also think it is great he paid back the investors...but I still know if BoDog was only mildly successful, they would still be without their money. The guy hit the jackpot.
:toast:
In all this bickering and complaining about Bodog I have heard nothing about the present Bodog.. I hear "Bodog is shit and I will never repost up on that site" My question is why?? Did Bodog stiff anyone on this forum.. Did they switch or not pay a bet off to anyone on this site..If you dont like the poker site dont play it!!!! If you dont like the casino .. dont play it!!!! Someone explain to me what they did to SCREW anyone of you guys...
When you post up on the site you know the have late lines and they double post lines and they charge major juice but they didnt make you post up on that site.... you did!!!
Someone give me proof that they have taken money from you and didnt give you a fair shot at winning with it!!!!!
When you post up on the site you know the have late lines and they double post lines and they charge major juice but they didnt make you post up on that site.... you did!!!
Someone give me proof that they have taken money from you and didnt give you a fair shot at winning with it!!!!!
http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/comdoc.nsf/co...D0FC88626ACBFE0F88256F34007FDC1B?OpenDocument
Here is a copy of his settlement with Canadian Securities authorities. This stuff is dirty dealing. He's lucky it wasn't in the US.
Policy Documents
Decisions & Orders
Document Sub-category: Settlements (Without a Hearing)
Document No.: 1996/10/03
Subject: Calvin Edward Ayre [Sec. 144]
Amendments:
Published Date: 10/11/1996
Effective Date: 10/03/1996
______________________________
Ayre (Re)
IN THE MATTER OF The Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, c. 83
AND IN THE MATTER OF Calvin Edward Ayre
Order Under Section 144
D.E. Holley
October 3, 1996
ORDER:-- WHEREAS an Agreed Statement of Facts and Undertaking was executed by Calvin Edward Ayre (the "Respondent") and the Executive Director, a copy of which is attached hereto as Schedule "A";
NOW THEREFORE the Executive Director, considering that it would be in the public interest to do so, orders, BY CONSENT, that:
1.
under section 144(1)(b) of the Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, Ayre be prohibited from purchasing securities of a reporting issuer which are listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange (other than senior board securities) for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
2.
under section 144(1)(c) of the Act, exemptions described in sections 30 to 32.1, 55, 58, 80 and 81 of the Act do not apply to Ayre for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
3.
under section 144(1)(d) (i) and (ii) of the Act, Ayre:
(a)
resign any position that he holds as a director or officer of a reporting issuer; and
(b)
be prohibited from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any reporting issuer or any issuer that provides management, administrative, promotional or consulting services to a reporting issuer;
for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order and until such time as he has successfully completed a course of study satisfactory to the Executive Director concerning the duties of directors and officers of reporting issuers; and
4.
under section 144(1)(d)(iii) of the Act, Ayre be prohibited from engaging in investor relations activities for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order.
D.E. HOLLEY, Executive Director
* * * * *
Schedule "A"
IN THE MATTER OF THE SECURITIES ACT
S.B.C. 1985, c. 83
AND
IN THE MATTER OF CALVIN EDWARD AYRE
Agreed Statement of Facts and Undertaking
The following agreement has been reached between Calvin Edward Ayre ("Ayre") and the Executive Director:
1.
As the basis for the order in paragraph 2 and undertaking in paragraph 3 of this agreement, Ayre acknowledges the following facts as correct:
(a)
Ayre was a director of Bicer Medical Systems Ltd. (formerly Canby Resources Inc.) ("Bicer") from June 18, 1990 to October 14, 1994 and president of Bicer from June 19, 1990 to approximately June 21, 1991;
(b)
Ayre, from at least September 13, 1990, was the control person of Bicer;
(c)
Bicer was a reporting issuer incorporated under the Company Act, R.S.B.C. 1979, c. 59 but was struck off the register and dissolved on October 14, 1994 under section 281 of the Company Act;
(d)
the common shares of Bicer were listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange on June 26, 1987;
(e)
trading in Bicer shares was halted on July 3, 1991, suspended on July 23, 1991, and Bicer was delisted from the Exchange on March 4, 1992;
(f)
on September 18, 1991, all trading in the securities of Bicer was ordered, under section 146 of the Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, c. 83 to cease until Bicer filed the records required to be filed under sections 135(1) and 145 of the Securities Regulation, B.C. Reg. 270/86 (the "Regulation");
(g)
Ayre, as a control person of Bicer, made distributions in excess of 300,000 Bicer shares during the period of September 13, 1990 to July 3, 1991 without a prospectus or an available exemption from the prospectus requirements of the Act, contrary to section 42 of the Act;
(h)
during the period of May 29, 1990 through July 3, 1991, Ayre had direct or indirect beneficial ownership of, or control or direction over, Bicer shares held in and traded through accounts in other persons' names at several brokerage firms (the "Nominee Accounts");
(i)
during the period of June 19, 1990 through July 3, 1991, Ayre failed to file insider reports disclosing his trading in and ownership of, or control or direction over, in excess of three million Bicer shares, including Bicer shares in the Nominee Accounts, contrary to section 70 of the Act;
(j)
during the period August 16, 1990 to June 30, 1991, after Ayre had acquired ten per cent of the outstanding Bicer shares, and each time he acquired an additional two per cent of the outstanding Bicer shares, Ayre failed to disclose those acquisitions and whether he intended to continue to acquire additional Bicer shares, contrary to section 93 of the Act and section 165.1 of the Regulation;
(k)
during the period of August 16, 1990 to June 30, 1991, Ayre, while holding, along with persons acting jointly and in concert with him, more than twenty percent of the outstanding Bicer shares, offered to purchase additional Bicer shares without complying with the rules respecting take over bids, contrary to sections 87 to 92 of the Act;
(l)
on or about September 13, 1990, Ayre caused Bicer to issue 1,333,333 Bicer shares to Ayre, for which full consideration was not received by Bicer prior to the shares being issued, contrary to section 43 of the Company Act;
(m)
on or about May 9, 1991, Ayre caused Bicer to issue 625,000 Bicer shares in the name of Ms. Kay Hewitt into the possession of Ayre, for which full consideration was not received prior to the shares being issued, contrary to section 43 of the Company Act;
Ayre breached the terms of an undertaking, dated August 10, 1990, that he signed and filed with the Exchange not to have any dealings with Erich Brunnhuber in conducting the business of Bicer;
(o)
Ayre failed to file personal information in Form 4B within 30 days of becoming a director of each of a number of Exchange issuers, contrary to a requirement of the Executive Director under section 73.1 of the Act;
(p)
between September 1, 1990 to July 1, 1991, Ayre made statements, or caused Bicer to make statements, in records required to be filed under the Act and Regulation relating to the number of shares held by him, the receipt and source of funds from private placements, the qualifications of senior executives of Bicer and other matters relating to the affairs of Bicer that, at the time and in light of the circumstances under which they were made, were misrepresentations;
(q)
between June 1, 1991 and August 16, 1993, Ayre made statements in evidence or information submitted under the Act during the investigation of this matter that, at the time and in light of the circumstances under which they were made, were misrepresentations;
(r)
between August 16, 1990 and July 2, 1991, Ayre, knowing of material facts or material changes relating to the number of shares held by him, the receipt and source of funds from private placements, the qualifications of senior executives of Bicer and other matters relating to the affairs of Bicer which had not been generally disclosed, purchased and sold in excess of four million Bicer shares, contrary to section 68 of the Act; and
(s)
Ayre failed to attend as required under a Summons dated June 11, 1993, issued under section 128 of the Act.
1.
Ayre consents to an order (the "Order") by the Executive Director that:
(a)
under section 144(1)(b) of the Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, Ayre be prohibited from purchasing securities of a reporting issuer which are listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange (other than senior board securities) for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
(b)
under section 144(1)(c) of the Act, the exemptions described in sections 30 to 32.1, 55, 58, 80 and 81 of the Act do not apply to Ayre for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
(c)
under section 144(1)(d)(i) and (ii) of the Act, Ayre:
(i)
resign any position that he holds as a director or officer of a reporting issuer; and
(ii)
be prohibited from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any reporting issuer or any issuer that provides management, administrative, promotional or consulting services to a reporting issuer;
for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order and until such time as he has successfully completed a course of study satisfactory to the Executive Director concerning the duties of directors and officers of reporting issuers; and
(d)
under section 144(1)(d)(iii) of the Act, Ayre be prohibited from engaging in investor relations activities for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order.
2.
Ayre consents to pay to the British Columbia Securities Commission the sum of $10,000.
3.
Ayre waives any right he may have, under the Act or otherwise, to a hearing, hearing and review, judicial review or appeal related to, in connection with or incidental to this agreement or the related Order.
DATED at Vancouver, British Columbia, on September 26th, 1996.
"Winton Derby" )
Witness Name )
)
#800 - 777 Dunsmuir Street ) "Calvin Edward Ayre"
Address ) Calvin Edward Ayre
)
Barrister and Solicitor )
Occupation )
D.E. HOLLEY, Executive Director
Here is a copy of his settlement with Canadian Securities authorities. This stuff is dirty dealing. He's lucky it wasn't in the US.
Policy Documents
Decisions & Orders
Document Sub-category: Settlements (Without a Hearing)
Document No.: 1996/10/03
Subject: Calvin Edward Ayre [Sec. 144]
Amendments:
Published Date: 10/11/1996
Effective Date: 10/03/1996
______________________________
Ayre (Re)
IN THE MATTER OF The Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, c. 83
AND IN THE MATTER OF Calvin Edward Ayre
Order Under Section 144
D.E. Holley
October 3, 1996
ORDER:-- WHEREAS an Agreed Statement of Facts and Undertaking was executed by Calvin Edward Ayre (the "Respondent") and the Executive Director, a copy of which is attached hereto as Schedule "A";
NOW THEREFORE the Executive Director, considering that it would be in the public interest to do so, orders, BY CONSENT, that:
1.
under section 144(1)(b) of the Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, Ayre be prohibited from purchasing securities of a reporting issuer which are listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange (other than senior board securities) for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
2.
under section 144(1)(c) of the Act, exemptions described in sections 30 to 32.1, 55, 58, 80 and 81 of the Act do not apply to Ayre for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
3.
under section 144(1)(d) (i) and (ii) of the Act, Ayre:
(a)
resign any position that he holds as a director or officer of a reporting issuer; and
(b)
be prohibited from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any reporting issuer or any issuer that provides management, administrative, promotional or consulting services to a reporting issuer;
for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order and until such time as he has successfully completed a course of study satisfactory to the Executive Director concerning the duties of directors and officers of reporting issuers; and
4.
under section 144(1)(d)(iii) of the Act, Ayre be prohibited from engaging in investor relations activities for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order.
D.E. HOLLEY, Executive Director
* * * * *
Schedule "A"
IN THE MATTER OF THE SECURITIES ACT
S.B.C. 1985, c. 83
AND
IN THE MATTER OF CALVIN EDWARD AYRE
Agreed Statement of Facts and Undertaking
The following agreement has been reached between Calvin Edward Ayre ("Ayre") and the Executive Director:
1.
As the basis for the order in paragraph 2 and undertaking in paragraph 3 of this agreement, Ayre acknowledges the following facts as correct:
(a)
Ayre was a director of Bicer Medical Systems Ltd. (formerly Canby Resources Inc.) ("Bicer") from June 18, 1990 to October 14, 1994 and president of Bicer from June 19, 1990 to approximately June 21, 1991;
(b)
Ayre, from at least September 13, 1990, was the control person of Bicer;
(c)
Bicer was a reporting issuer incorporated under the Company Act, R.S.B.C. 1979, c. 59 but was struck off the register and dissolved on October 14, 1994 under section 281 of the Company Act;
(d)
the common shares of Bicer were listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange on June 26, 1987;
(e)
trading in Bicer shares was halted on July 3, 1991, suspended on July 23, 1991, and Bicer was delisted from the Exchange on March 4, 1992;
(f)
on September 18, 1991, all trading in the securities of Bicer was ordered, under section 146 of the Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, c. 83 to cease until Bicer filed the records required to be filed under sections 135(1) and 145 of the Securities Regulation, B.C. Reg. 270/86 (the "Regulation");
(g)
Ayre, as a control person of Bicer, made distributions in excess of 300,000 Bicer shares during the period of September 13, 1990 to July 3, 1991 without a prospectus or an available exemption from the prospectus requirements of the Act, contrary to section 42 of the Act;
(h)
during the period of May 29, 1990 through July 3, 1991, Ayre had direct or indirect beneficial ownership of, or control or direction over, Bicer shares held in and traded through accounts in other persons' names at several brokerage firms (the "Nominee Accounts");
(i)
during the period of June 19, 1990 through July 3, 1991, Ayre failed to file insider reports disclosing his trading in and ownership of, or control or direction over, in excess of three million Bicer shares, including Bicer shares in the Nominee Accounts, contrary to section 70 of the Act;
(j)
during the period August 16, 1990 to June 30, 1991, after Ayre had acquired ten per cent of the outstanding Bicer shares, and each time he acquired an additional two per cent of the outstanding Bicer shares, Ayre failed to disclose those acquisitions and whether he intended to continue to acquire additional Bicer shares, contrary to section 93 of the Act and section 165.1 of the Regulation;
(k)
during the period of August 16, 1990 to June 30, 1991, Ayre, while holding, along with persons acting jointly and in concert with him, more than twenty percent of the outstanding Bicer shares, offered to purchase additional Bicer shares without complying with the rules respecting take over bids, contrary to sections 87 to 92 of the Act;
(l)
on or about September 13, 1990, Ayre caused Bicer to issue 1,333,333 Bicer shares to Ayre, for which full consideration was not received by Bicer prior to the shares being issued, contrary to section 43 of the Company Act;
(m)
on or about May 9, 1991, Ayre caused Bicer to issue 625,000 Bicer shares in the name of Ms. Kay Hewitt into the possession of Ayre, for which full consideration was not received prior to the shares being issued, contrary to section 43 of the Company Act;
Ayre breached the terms of an undertaking, dated August 10, 1990, that he signed and filed with the Exchange not to have any dealings with Erich Brunnhuber in conducting the business of Bicer;
(o)
Ayre failed to file personal information in Form 4B within 30 days of becoming a director of each of a number of Exchange issuers, contrary to a requirement of the Executive Director under section 73.1 of the Act;
(p)
between September 1, 1990 to July 1, 1991, Ayre made statements, or caused Bicer to make statements, in records required to be filed under the Act and Regulation relating to the number of shares held by him, the receipt and source of funds from private placements, the qualifications of senior executives of Bicer and other matters relating to the affairs of Bicer that, at the time and in light of the circumstances under which they were made, were misrepresentations;
(q)
between June 1, 1991 and August 16, 1993, Ayre made statements in evidence or information submitted under the Act during the investigation of this matter that, at the time and in light of the circumstances under which they were made, were misrepresentations;
(r)
between August 16, 1990 and July 2, 1991, Ayre, knowing of material facts or material changes relating to the number of shares held by him, the receipt and source of funds from private placements, the qualifications of senior executives of Bicer and other matters relating to the affairs of Bicer which had not been generally disclosed, purchased and sold in excess of four million Bicer shares, contrary to section 68 of the Act; and
(s)
Ayre failed to attend as required under a Summons dated June 11, 1993, issued under section 128 of the Act.
1.
Ayre consents to an order (the "Order") by the Executive Director that:
(a)
under section 144(1)(b) of the Securities Act, S.B.C. 1985, Ayre be prohibited from purchasing securities of a reporting issuer which are listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange (other than senior board securities) for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
(b)
under section 144(1)(c) of the Act, the exemptions described in sections 30 to 32.1, 55, 58, 80 and 81 of the Act do not apply to Ayre for a period of 20 years from the date of the Order;
(c)
under section 144(1)(d)(i) and (ii) of the Act, Ayre:
(i)
resign any position that he holds as a director or officer of a reporting issuer; and
(ii)
be prohibited from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any reporting issuer or any issuer that provides management, administrative, promotional or consulting services to a reporting issuer;
for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order and until such time as he has successfully completed a course of study satisfactory to the Executive Director concerning the duties of directors and officers of reporting issuers; and
(d)
under section 144(1)(d)(iii) of the Act, Ayre be prohibited from engaging in investor relations activities for a period of 20 years from the date of this Order.
2.
Ayre consents to pay to the British Columbia Securities Commission the sum of $10,000.
3.
Ayre waives any right he may have, under the Act or otherwise, to a hearing, hearing and review, judicial review or appeal related to, in connection with or incidental to this agreement or the related Order.
DATED at Vancouver, British Columbia, on September 26th, 1996.
"Winton Derby" )
Witness Name )
)
#800 - 777 Dunsmuir Street ) "Calvin Edward Ayre"
Address ) Calvin Edward Ayre
)
Barrister and Solicitor )
Occupation )
D.E. HOLLEY, Executive Director
Thanks for posting JayC...anyone who feels this guy is a stand up guy is being deceived. I could tell a few stories.
But with that being said, I don't think BoDog is having any financial difficulties.
But who would want their money with this guy? Their extravagant advertising/marketing buys would make me a little nervous about my money.
But with that being said, I don't think BoDog is having any financial difficulties.
But who would want their money with this guy? Their extravagant advertising/marketing buys would make me a little nervous about my money.
While playing against him at the Bash poker tourny David Matthews from LVA was talking about how he thought Bodog was rigged based solely on the fact that he consistently lost there. His current posted comments seem to be nothing more than an extension of this.
I think it is human nature that causes everyone who plays with online casinos and/or online poker to think they care getting ripped off. The combination of increased volume of play (more hands per hour) and the human tendency to only remember the "bad beats" and not the "good beats" creates a situation where people only remeber that they seem to be experiencing a hell of a lot of bad beats. I can't cite my source but I remember reading that a $1000 loss and a $5000 win have approximately the same emotional effect on a person. Point being sitting in a poker room all day is equal to playing about 1 hour of playing 4 tables online, you are going to see (and remember) a lot more bad beats playing online.
Clip Joint, you sure seem to have a lot of info regarding all of the historical aspects of the offshore industry. I am starting to think that the initials C and J arent the only thing you share with another poster here.
I think it is human nature that causes everyone who plays with online casinos and/or online poker to think they care getting ripped off. The combination of increased volume of play (more hands per hour) and the human tendency to only remember the "bad beats" and not the "good beats" creates a situation where people only remeber that they seem to be experiencing a hell of a lot of bad beats. I can't cite my source but I remember reading that a $1000 loss and a $5000 win have approximately the same emotional effect on a person. Point being sitting in a poker room all day is equal to playing about 1 hour of playing 4 tables online, you are going to see (and remember) a lot more bad beats playing online.
Clip Joint, you sure seem to have a lot of info regarding all of the historical aspects of the offshore industry. I am starting to think that the initials C and J arent the only thing you share with another poster here.
indy sports said:
Who is claiming they got screwed?
Isn't the purpose of these forums to share information and allow visitors the opportunity to know facts so they can make educated decisions on where to send their money and play?
I know I would appreciate if someone told me before I sent money if the owner had been convicted of these type of crimes. It would make me rethink but as always, we are all responsible for the "risk vs reward" everytime we play offshore.
Come who didnt have this info..it happened 10 years ago.. i am referring to the people saying they would never repost and bodog sucks.... just get sick of the completely bored bastards on this site who have nothing better to do than bash the first thing they "think" they have knowledge on..Most guys on this site dont bet even close to what they "report" they bet.. I have been to Vegas with this group for the last couple of years and I see what kind of money people on this site have... No one is living the big life of a "great gambler" Just small money guys trying to make a buck all they really care about is if someone is going to screw them and thier 2 3 4 thousand bucks..... this is not info that they "NEED TO KEEP THEM SAFE" lets move on.............
