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I don't think you can lump all of these things together Vit. The analogy just isn't there.

I'm not a Paterno supporter only in that I don't think he covered anything up. Didn't do enough? Yes. Covered something up? No way.

But these 9/11 nut jobs, truthers and weirdos are a totally different species.
 

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100 percent incorrect. The facts of the zimmerman case were out quickly. The arguments were interpretations of the facts...not the facts. You're way wrong about that.

The facts in this case are out. Nothing more to see. This is not rocket science. Vit plays with deflated balls. Pats balls were deflated and colts were not. What eLse do you want. Did you watch brady's press conf? You found him believable? It was comical how bad he was lying.

The league and kraft are in bed together...we may never know who deflated the balls but common sense tells you who wanted them deflated. This is as cut and dry as can be

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So the guys from MIT and Carnegie melon are both wrong. Ok.

Uh yes. They are. Balls don't deflate like that in 50 degree weather. They were deflated by human actions.

Why in gbay when they played giants and it was 8 below....the balls were fine? Stop with the science and atmospheric pressure. It's embarrassing
 

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I don't think you can lump all of these things together Vit. The analogy just isn't there.

I'm not a Paterno supporter only in that I don't think he covered anything up. Didn't do enough? Yes. Covered something up? No way.

But these 9/11 nut jobs, truthers and weirdos are a totally different species.

The cult like belief and the crazy blind loyalty is the analogy. It won't matter to them if there is a video of brady deflating the balls himself. They will claim it is corrupted video somehow. And I didn't say they were exact but very similar
 
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The cult like belief and the crazy blind loyalty is the analogy. It won't matter to them if there is a video of brady deflating the balls himself. They will claim it is corrupted video somehow. And I didn't say they were exact but very similar

Some of us just think we should wait until more facts are out there... carry on.

It's not as if the "facts" haven't changed since this "scandal" broke or anything... sigh.
 

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So the guys from MIT and Carnegie melon are both wrong. Ok.

The 4 boston scientists cited by the boston globe are hysterical. Talk about junk science. It really has become funny. Let's go with the 4 boston scientists instead of the thousands outside of boston who laugh at such assertions.

I'm at a loss. How fandom takes over people in some areas of the world is something I've never seen.
 

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100 percent incorrect. The facts of the zimmerman case were out quickly. The arguments were interpretations of the facts...not the facts.

I see a lot of people to this day claiming all sorts of wrong "facts" about the Zimmerman case.

In fact, the first "facts" about the Zimmerman case that were publicly available were that Martin was shot for wearing a hoodie and he was innocently strolling down the sidewalk on the way home from the store.
 

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Some of us just think we should wait until more facts are out there... carry on.

It's not as if the "facts" haven't changed since this "scandal" broke or anything... sigh.

Oh the pats are masters at changing the story. Hell, by now they are experts at it...after having to deal with cheating allegations for so long, you start to figure out how to do it better each time.

In a story like this, it is most often what you see first as closest to the truth. Now that people and time goes on....much easier to corrupt the story.
 

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I see a lot of people to this day claiming all sorts of wrong "facts" about the Zimmerman case.

In fact, the first "facts" about the Zimmerman case that were publicly available were that Martin was shot for wearing a hoodie and he was innocently strolling down the sidewalk on the way home from the store.

You can look. I didn't even comment on zimmerman case till later in the game
 

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I see a lot of people to this day claiming all sorts of wrong "facts" about the Zimmerman case.

In fact, the first "facts" about the Zimmerman case that were publicly available were that Martin was shot for wearing a hoodie and he was innocently strolling down the sidewalk on the way home from the store.

You can look. I didn't even comment on zimmerman case till later in the game
 

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You can look. I didn't even comment on zimmerman case till later in the game

Fair enough.

Honestly, at this point, I'm hoping TMZ gets a video of a drunk Brady at a SuperBowl party this week on tape saying something like:

"He won't talk.....no, no, we took care of him.....he's been helping us for years....Bob is fighting for us....we're all together, he's got some cash"

The threads will be pretty damn epic. Then we will have arguments of the tape/audio being doctored!
 

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Fair enough.

Honestly, at this point, I'm hoping TMZ gets a video of a drunk Brady at a SuperBowl party this week on tape saying something like:

"He won't talk.....no, no, we took care of him.....he's been helping us for years....Bob is fighting for us....we're all together, he's got some cash"

The threads will be pretty damn epic. Then we will have arguments of the tape/audio being doctored!

Lol...pats fans will say the weather change from new eng to arizona changed the way his mouth moves and he really didn't say that.
 
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The 4 boston scientists cited by the boston globe are hysterical. Talk about junk science. It really has become funny. Let's go with the 4 boston scientists instead of the thousands outside of boston who laugh at such assertions.

I'm at a loss. How fandom takes over people in some areas of the world is something I've never seen.

Carnegie Mellon ain't in Boston.
 
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Uh yes. They are. Balls don't deflate like that in 50 degree weather. They were deflated by human actions.

Why in gbay when they played giants and it was 8 below....the balls were fine? Stop with the science and atmospheric pressure. It's embarrassing

So this year when they played in extreme cold.. Why was Minnesota and Carolina heating balls this year.
 

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Carnegie Mellon ain't in Boston.

How about all the other scientists who are spittingout their drinks laughing at this excuse.

Your forgetting that it was 50 degrees in first half of pats game. Kinda where your theory falls apart
 

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So this year when they played in extreme cold.. Why was Minnesota and Carolina heating balls this year.

We know the ball deflates slightly in cold weather. Again, your problem is...it wasn't cold in new eng that day. Try another story...the atmospheric pressure one is comical. But the nfl might just use that to cover up for their cheating buddy bob kraft.
 

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The 4 boston scientists cited by the boston globe are hysterical. Talk about junk science. It really has become funny. Let's go with the 4 boston scientists instead of the thousands outside of boston who laugh at such assertions.

I'm at a loss. How fandom takes over people in some areas of the world is something I've never seen.

The scientists I've read supporting the temperature theory aren't from Boston, and are outside Boston, and are outside New England.

BTW, this guy is from Virginia.



The now overly scrutinized deflate-gate controversy isn't just an issue of the integrity of the game, it is a matter of physics as well. Dr. John Eric Goff, a renowned sports physicist who is a professor at Lynchburg College, wants to set the record straight about some of the recent calculations going around about the New England Patriots and how the under-inflated footballs got that way in last Sunday's AFC championship game.
Goff said there is a very real possibility that a ball can deflate during the course of a game, something that anyone who has played a sport on a schoolyard knows all too well. But other factors come into play, including how much the temperature drops, that can make the pounds per square inch (PSI) drop.
Suppose the referees in their pregame routine checked the game balls in a locker room at 70 degrees Fahrenheit. When the Patriots and Indianapolis Colts kicked off, the temperature was 51 degrees Fahrenheit. According to Goff, a ball at the league minimum of 12.5 PSI would then be at about 11.5 PSI “because as temperature drops, pressure in the ball drops.”
This would continue and if the temperature dropped another 10 degrees to 41 degrees Fahrenheit as the game went on, the pressure of the ball would be about 11 PSI.

Or, this could explain Tom Brady's deflated footballs.
“A pressure drop of 1 PSI, or even 1.5 PSI might be detected by an experienced player, but the effect would be hard to notice by mere mortals not used to handling footballs all the time," Goff said. "The ability to squeeze the ball better, even if it's just a slight improvement, can only help a quarterback using a ball made slick by rain. Despite lower pressure due to a temperature drop, the ball's weight remains the same because no air leaves the ball as it cools. If the ball is retested at a later time at the same temperature at which the ref tested it prior to the game, the ball should be back to its old pressure because it would have warmed from game temperatures to testing temperatures. Again, no air would have left the ball."

Any NFL player will tell you that a deflated football is easier to catch. As the temperature gets colder, the ball gets harder. During a cold gameday, players will often rub a football after a play, they say, to unleash the natural oils in the football. This makes it easier to catch.
Goff, who is the author of the interesting Gold Medal Physics book, also notes that when and where the balls were tested before the games matters. If done indoors, as is NFL protocol, then the deflation might not be a surprise. While he cautions that he can't speculate as to what happened, certain factors can impact the PSI measurement.
So it might be the weather, or it might just be some flaws in the mechanisms and environment for testing the balls before the game, but it doesn't rule out someone manually letting the air out.

“Where deflate-gate gets sticky is that retested balls were found to be at lower pressures," Goff said. "As long as the retesting was done in the same environmental conditions as the referee's initial pre-game test, the most probable way for the pressure to be lower, assuming no leaks due to tears, is for air to have been let out.
“The point is that temperature changes make it possible to have a ball flying around in a game that is below the allowable range, but players are not likely to notice much difference. If pregame and post-game tests are done in the same environment, and different pressures are measured and there are no leaks, the balls can't contain the same amount of air.”
 
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We know the ball deflates slightly in cold weather. Again, your problem is...it wasn't cold in new eng that day. Try another story...the atmospheric pressure one is comical. But the nfl might just use that to cover up for their cheating buddy bob kraft.

"cheating buddy bob kraft"

Vitterd, You're not convincing anyone that your opinion is unbiased here. It's very obvious you have an agenda and a bias.
 

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Lmao. Do we really wanna play this game of science? I can google plenty that say it isn't possible. And you of all people zit, you discredit any scientist that supports global warming but now they are spot on.

Here is the question...why were the colts balls inflated properly at halftime? Seriously, get it together guys.
 

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