FWIW
I called BHB this morning and cashed out via Net Teller. The ONLY reason I posted up was because the contest looked like fun. They can keep there 20% sign up bonus. I don't like books that don't offer a link to cash out and make you call "during business hours."
They SURE AS HELL will accept a deposit ANYTIME.
I only had to waste about 10 minutes on my cell phone and a little cash from the transfer fee from Pinnacle ( less than 500.00 deal ) I lost about 15 bucks on the deal ( no biggie )
If the contest comes back in some form I will give it a go.
At least customer service spoke decent english .... LOL
I called BHB this morning and cashed out via Net Teller. The ONLY reason I posted up was because the contest looked like fun. They can keep there 20% sign up bonus. I don't like books that don't offer a link to cash out and make you call "during business hours."
They SURE AS HELL will accept a deposit ANYTIME.
I only had to waste about 10 minutes on my cell phone and a little cash from the transfer fee from Pinnacle ( less than 500.00 deal ) I lost about 15 bucks on the deal ( no biggie )
If the contest comes back in some form I will give it a go.
At least customer service spoke decent english .... LOL
Excuse me??
Scott you never mentioned a minimum amount of participants until about 3 weeks ago. When I approached you for the contest, (you were the first book I approached) I gave you the information regarding the contest. I told you I hoped at least 100 people would sign up for it. AT that time, you looked into the contest and agreed to sponsor it and give whatever prizes you liked out. I never asked for the amount of prizes. I left THAT up to you. You came up with what I thought was a very generous prize package. But at no time did you mention anything about cancelling the contest if we didnt get 100 people. It was only a month later when you realized that you would not be getting the amount of people you expected that you cancelled the contest. In essence you are saying now that you would only sponsor that contest and offer 20,000 in prizes if you had received 100 people posting up 200 dollars. Do that math....thats 100 times 200 which equals 20,000. When you realized that post ups were not coming in as fast and as much as anticipated, you decided that the contest will be null and void unless the quota is fulfilled.
If you wanted that to be a rule, then when I gave you the contest to study before sponsoring, you should have amended it to fulfill YOUR needs. I asked you 5 times before originally posting the contest, if everything in my post was correct and to your likeing. And everytime you said it was and you gave me the green light.
Scott, you coming in here and knocking me for the way the contest was handled in the pre-season stages is completely unfair. I came up with a contest because I wanted to give the people here at the RX something fun to look fwd to each week of the season. I came to you first because you sponsored the baseball contest and I felt that was the fair thing to do. Come to you first. And thats what I did. Now, for you to come here and rip me, you obviously weren't subtle enough, is totally uncalled for. I just lost all the respect I had for you.
I am done saying nice things about your book. Because obviously, my first impressions were wrong.
A total lack of class.
-MC
Scott you never mentioned a minimum amount of participants until about 3 weeks ago. When I approached you for the contest, (you were the first book I approached) I gave you the information regarding the contest. I told you I hoped at least 100 people would sign up for it. AT that time, you looked into the contest and agreed to sponsor it and give whatever prizes you liked out. I never asked for the amount of prizes. I left THAT up to you. You came up with what I thought was a very generous prize package. But at no time did you mention anything about cancelling the contest if we didnt get 100 people. It was only a month later when you realized that you would not be getting the amount of people you expected that you cancelled the contest. In essence you are saying now that you would only sponsor that contest and offer 20,000 in prizes if you had received 100 people posting up 200 dollars. Do that math....thats 100 times 200 which equals 20,000. When you realized that post ups were not coming in as fast and as much as anticipated, you decided that the contest will be null and void unless the quota is fulfilled.
If you wanted that to be a rule, then when I gave you the contest to study before sponsoring, you should have amended it to fulfill YOUR needs. I asked you 5 times before originally posting the contest, if everything in my post was correct and to your likeing. And everytime you said it was and you gave me the green light.
Scott, you coming in here and knocking me for the way the contest was handled in the pre-season stages is completely unfair. I came up with a contest because I wanted to give the people here at the RX something fun to look fwd to each week of the season. I came to you first because you sponsored the baseball contest and I felt that was the fair thing to do. Come to you first. And thats what I did. Now, for you to come here and rip me, you obviously weren't subtle enough, is totally uncalled for. I just lost all the respect I had for you.
I am done saying nice things about your book. Because obviously, my first impressions were wrong.
A total lack of class.
-MC
I havent read the other posts that come after mine, However I would like to point out that the complaints that are normally posted here are almost always because of BHB not giving enough away, or not being clear about their rules for the money being given away.
I guess if you consider the big picture we cant be all that bad of a book.
-scott
I guess if you consider the big picture we cant be all that bad of a book.
-scott
MC - We have been nothing but generous to you.
You said that there would be "AT LEAST" 100 participants. Thats EXACTLY why I structured the prizes to be that high.
Just so you know - 20k in signups DOES NOT mean 20K in profits. First of all we have to pick up the fees, second we give the 20% bonus, and 3rd we still have to win.
So dont act like we were just taking 20k and then giving it back. BHB was giving PLENTY away.
Also, dont act like you idnt say "at least" 100 participants. When you asked me to structire the prizes, I asked "how many" participants will you get us. You said "at least" 100. THEN i decided on the prizes.
Once again, the only complaint you guys have conjured up against BHB in all this time is "free money, and free contest" gripes.
Most books would bow to to you guys on this one because of the time of year. But I will not. It is the principal here.
You guys should know FULL WELL the BHB will take care of you with MANY other contests throughout the year!
Instead you gripe like we STOLE your money. And threaten to not say any more good things about us. LOL. These contests are not bribes. I do them because I am generous. Anyone who knows me knows that.
I am so frustrated at your whining right now. I just closed a deal with Platinum VIP tours in Vegas and will be giving away a trip for 14, thats right 14 people. Its like a 10k deal without the airfare and hotel. Cral like this makes me second guess my generousity.
Why be so generous, for WHAT? So people can act like their being taken advantage of.. What a joke. Maybe I should cancel the mailer thats going out with hats for all the posters who we have addresses for too.
MC get over yourself, and admit that you structured a contest that wasnt as popular as "YOU" promised. Then maybe we can move on.
Ken, I love you player. I cant give in on this one though. You know I will be more than happy to give cash, trips, etc away. But not when people threaten me, or when people act like I owe it to them. I am refunding the "$50" to the players.
What am i supposed to do, run a contest with 20 guys in it? MC- you want to do that ALL YEAR LONG? LOL. Matter of fact, lets do that. I will TRIPLE THE $50 each (thats 200 for each entry) That $ will go in a pool. MC - you divide the total amount of cash by 13, and that will be the weekly prize money. You can run the contest since you are the man.
enjoy
-scott
You said that there would be "AT LEAST" 100 participants. Thats EXACTLY why I structured the prizes to be that high.
Just so you know - 20k in signups DOES NOT mean 20K in profits. First of all we have to pick up the fees, second we give the 20% bonus, and 3rd we still have to win.
So dont act like we were just taking 20k and then giving it back. BHB was giving PLENTY away.
Also, dont act like you idnt say "at least" 100 participants. When you asked me to structire the prizes, I asked "how many" participants will you get us. You said "at least" 100. THEN i decided on the prizes.
Once again, the only complaint you guys have conjured up against BHB in all this time is "free money, and free contest" gripes.
Most books would bow to to you guys on this one because of the time of year. But I will not. It is the principal here.
You guys should know FULL WELL the BHB will take care of you with MANY other contests throughout the year!
Instead you gripe like we STOLE your money. And threaten to not say any more good things about us. LOL. These contests are not bribes. I do them because I am generous. Anyone who knows me knows that.
I am so frustrated at your whining right now. I just closed a deal with Platinum VIP tours in Vegas and will be giving away a trip for 14, thats right 14 people. Its like a 10k deal without the airfare and hotel. Cral like this makes me second guess my generousity.
Why be so generous, for WHAT? So people can act like their being taken advantage of.. What a joke. Maybe I should cancel the mailer thats going out with hats for all the posters who we have addresses for too.
MC get over yourself, and admit that you structured a contest that wasnt as popular as "YOU" promised. Then maybe we can move on.
Ken, I love you player. I cant give in on this one though. You know I will be more than happy to give cash, trips, etc away. But not when people threaten me, or when people act like I owe it to them. I am refunding the "$50" to the players.
What am i supposed to do, run a contest with 20 guys in it? MC- you want to do that ALL YEAR LONG? LOL. Matter of fact, lets do that. I will TRIPLE THE $50 each (thats 200 for each entry) That $ will go in a pool. MC - you divide the total amount of cash by 13, and that will be the weekly prize money. You can run the contest since you are the man.
enjoy
-scott
Try looking at it from BHB's perspective. This whole thing could have been avoided had we NOT offers to give away so much $$$.
Its as simple as that. Now we are offering to TRIPLE the $50 entry and pool it for the season contest. Lets see how this goes. We are only giving you guys 400% of your money back.
Its as simple as that. Now we are offering to TRIPLE the $50 entry and pool it for the season contest. Lets see how this goes. We are only giving you guys 400% of your money back.
Scott,
The funny thing about all this is, that for the past few months, everytime someone came in and bashed your book, I was the first to stick up for it. Poeple even called me a shill for your book. But for you to just come in here and bash me by saying I didnt take care of the contest right, is unfair.
-MC
The funny thing about all this is, that for the past few months, everytime someone came in and bashed your book, I was the first to stick up for it. Poeple even called me a shill for your book. But for you to just come in here and bash me by saying I didnt take care of the contest right, is unfair.
-MC
Scott
You're making a bad situation worse. You guys have been generous and I, for one have enjoyed playing there. I have taken every opportunity to sing your praises!
Now, I disagree with a business decision you made. That's all. There is no need for this to get any worse. Making snide, derogatory remarks about your customers will not do you any good in the long run.
By the way, I don't understand what you are proposing about tripling the $50 entry fee. Could you please elaborate?
Thanks!
VVV
You're making a bad situation worse. You guys have been generous and I, for one have enjoyed playing there. I have taken every opportunity to sing your praises!
Now, I disagree with a business decision you made. That's all. There is no need for this to get any worse. Making snide, derogatory remarks about your customers will not do you any good in the long run.
By the way, I don't understand what you are proposing about tripling the $50 entry fee. Could you please elaborate?
Thanks!
VVV
And when you say I should get over myself for creating a contest that wasnt as popular as i thought it would be???
Listen, I guarantee that the reason it wasnt so popular was because of the 200 postup. The baseball contest which had no postup and was done on 2 days notice got 63 initial contestants. Same contest, but no fee. 63 people in less than 2 days. Here I have been bumping this contest up for about 2 months now and we can only get 25 people. Its not the contest, its the fact that people arent willing to post up 200 dollars. I believe that if it was a free contest it would have easily exceeded 100 players.
-MC
Listen, I guarantee that the reason it wasnt so popular was because of the 200 postup. The baseball contest which had no postup and was done on 2 days notice got 63 initial contestants. Same contest, but no fee. 63 people in less than 2 days. Here I have been bumping this contest up for about 2 months now and we can only get 25 people. Its not the contest, its the fact that people arent willing to post up 200 dollars. I believe that if it was a free contest it would have easily exceeded 100 players.
-MC
MC - I will say this again. We have nothing against you. AlL I want is for people to stop acting like BHB owes them or cheated them out of something.
The problem I have with you know is that you say BHB is "out", why? We didnt do anything wrong. That is semi extortion. Either sponsor the contest or I wont say anything good about you. Better yet I will say negative things. Come on player.
If you want to run the contest I have offered to TRIPLE the entriy money. Thats more than generous considering the bad press.
You know you said at least 100 participants and thats why i set the prizes so high. What the heck do you want from me. I dont do enough for you, and everyone else in here to get a little understanding if a contest doesnt go right. I am not the one who runs these things. I JUST GIVE THE MONEY.
Gomme a break. How much do you think I would give away this year?
The problem I have with you know is that you say BHB is "out", why? We didnt do anything wrong. That is semi extortion. Either sponsor the contest or I wont say anything good about you. Better yet I will say negative things. Come on player.
If you want to run the contest I have offered to TRIPLE the entriy money. Thats more than generous considering the bad press.
You know you said at least 100 participants and thats why i set the prizes so high. What the heck do you want from me. I dont do enough for you, and everyone else in here to get a little understanding if a contest doesnt go right. I am not the one who runs these things. I JUST GIVE THE MONEY.
Gomme a break. How much do you think I would give away this year?
I never complained once about you not sponsoring the contest. Look back at every thread. I never mentioned anything negative because you decided to cancel the contest. I actually stuck up while others did. I only said negative bout your book after you singled me out for not taking care of the contest in a proper manner.
-MC
-MC
The bottom line is the contest did not get very much interest. It's no ones fault. We can't expect any book to put up so much with this little interest.
Scott,
If Kens willing to help make the contest work it's wise to see what he has to say.
[This message was edited by outandup on August 28, 2003 at 04:22 PM.]
Scott,
If Kens willing to help make the contest work it's wise to see what he has to say.
[This message was edited by outandup on August 28, 2003 at 04:22 PM.]
