Major,
You should put $60k in all the books you advertise for. I never seen you put so much vigor into chasing a stiff book you had on your site before. You sure didn't chase Mark Del or NAB Bill to the end of the earth. Right? You may fool the fools but everyone else knows you are chasing them for you, not the players.
Roberto is providing a service and that's great. I might send him some business when I find out what he charges.
You should put $60k in all the books you advertise for. I never seen you put so much vigor into chasing a stiff book you had on your site before. You sure didn't chase Mark Del or NAB Bill to the end of the earth. Right? You may fool the fools but everyone else knows you are chasing them for you, not the players.
Roberto is providing a service and that's great. I might send him some business when I find out what he charges.
Again SBR, thanks for the very clear and concise answers.
You know about 2% of what is going on in Panama,John. That 2% is spewed to you by that theif buddy of yours Marty Monroe. ( you know the guy that you helped extort Royal?, that guy)
When your help was requested in the Betpanam situation, you refused. Why? Because your buddy Marty was there still robbing players money.
But like always, you are incapable of answering a question. Funny thing is , you asked Roberto the very same question and then get offended when someone turns the table. You better lengthen that skirt John
Here is a tip. Let the people who are trying to collect money for others do their job without your interference. It doesnt help at all.
Thanks
You know about 2% of what is going on in Panama,John. That 2% is spewed to you by that theif buddy of yours Marty Monroe. ( you know the guy that you helped extort Royal?, that guy)
When your help was requested in the Betpanam situation, you refused. Why? Because your buddy Marty was there still robbing players money.
But like always, you are incapable of answering a question. Funny thing is , you asked Roberto the very same question and then get offended when someone turns the table. You better lengthen that skirt John
Here is a tip. Let the people who are trying to collect money for others do their job without your interference. It doesnt help at all.
Thanks
SBR, you woould have to ask the people involved with MajorBetting at the time.
You are the best though John. Accuse Roberto of wrong doing, then get called on it yourself and in typical John fashion, TRASH MAJORBETTING.
Like I said, stick to extorting fine books like Jazz and every other book you have f ucked. Leave the collecting of players money to people who are actually puttting forth an effort.
Every turn in the road you are trashing Roberto. For what? Because he is helping people get paid? Pitiful John , Pitiful. However after seeing what you did to Jazz, I am not suprised.
Over and out. BTW you can email me how much Gameday pays you for the losses your players rack up. I might have some guys for you.
Thanks in advance.
You are the best though John. Accuse Roberto of wrong doing, then get called on it yourself and in typical John fashion, TRASH MAJORBETTING.
Like I said, stick to extorting fine books like Jazz and every other book you have f ucked. Leave the collecting of players money to people who are actually puttting forth an effort.
Every turn in the road you are trashing Roberto. For what? Because he is helping people get paid? Pitiful John , Pitiful. However after seeing what you did to Jazz, I am not suprised.
Over and out. BTW you can email me how much Gameday pays you for the losses your players rack up. I might have some guys for you.
Thanks in advance.
LOL Major. You gotta love your style. You are the biggest fraud and extorionist in the industry but that doesn't stop you from calling someone who exposes you that.
OK, let's see what a top sportsbook says about you:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The purpose of this announcement is to defend the plethora of inaccurate statements made by an individual who is obviously reeling into a downward spiral--that person being the pathetic Russ Hawkins from MajorWager.com.
It is widely known that of all the dregs in the offshore industry, that he is the lowest, along with Charlie from Aces Gold, Peter Linz of the Dunes, and many other deadbeats and scam artists. Russ Hawkins has backed many books that he knew were going under, and even started his own sportsbook that STIFFED all of its customers at the end. We could go on all day, but enough about this sorry individual.
The bottom line here is that Rio/Skybook/IIS was one of his top advertisers two years ago. We paid him a lot of money to be on his site. However, due to the fact that his site is so small, and so nominal in terms of credibility, so poor in terms of return on investment, the company decided to pull its advertising, along with a multitude of other advertisers. When advertisers pull their ads from this broke individual, he attempts to extort them to bring them back. In other words, he makes you think that if you don't re-up with him, that he will badmouth you and attempt to ruin your company. We at Rio/Skybook were intimidated at first, but knew that this individual had to be stopped in his denial of service types of attacks that extort sportsbooks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, let's see what a top sportsbook says about you:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The purpose of this announcement is to defend the plethora of inaccurate statements made by an individual who is obviously reeling into a downward spiral--that person being the pathetic Russ Hawkins from MajorWager.com.
It is widely known that of all the dregs in the offshore industry, that he is the lowest, along with Charlie from Aces Gold, Peter Linz of the Dunes, and many other deadbeats and scam artists. Russ Hawkins has backed many books that he knew were going under, and even started his own sportsbook that STIFFED all of its customers at the end. We could go on all day, but enough about this sorry individual.
The bottom line here is that Rio/Skybook/IIS was one of his top advertisers two years ago. We paid him a lot of money to be on his site. However, due to the fact that his site is so small, and so nominal in terms of credibility, so poor in terms of return on investment, the company decided to pull its advertising, along with a multitude of other advertisers. When advertisers pull their ads from this broke individual, he attempts to extort them to bring them back. In other words, he makes you think that if you don't re-up with him, that he will badmouth you and attempt to ruin your company. We at Rio/Skybook were intimidated at first, but knew that this individual had to be stopped in his denial of service types of attacks that extort sportsbooks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I love it when two bitches fight it out in the forums on how much the other one makes off affiliate deals. I can guarantee you they both do fine. Stop the bitching and help the players you supposedly want to help. What a joke you both are? All either one of you care about is lining your own pockets.
Sorry Frankie, I guess it was me missing your question.
You may send me an email at admin@theoffshorewire.com and I will give you a detailed reply.
Thank you.
You may send me an email at admin@theoffshorewire.com and I will give you a detailed reply.
Thank you.
Major and Buzzsaw,
My 2 cents...
Why is it that we NEVER see sports books coming into these forums and attacking one another?
Are all of us so called "Watchdog" sites really that STUPID?
Do you think that sponsors LIKE to see this happening when they spend big bucs advertising with us?
BOTH of you guys offer a lot of CREDIBILITY to the industry with your successful sites that inform gamblers about what's going on, who to trust, and who to avoid...
John,
In my opinion, your daily updates on how sports books are faring is by far the best available organized source for gamblers to use when signing up offshore...
Russ,
Your website offers a plethora of solid information from informed gamblers who share their experiences to help others make wise decisions when it comes to betting...
I admit that if isn't easy to turn the cheek when someone takes a shot at me, but the posters aren't dumb and they can sort through the truth without us having to mock one another...
THE SHRINK
My 2 cents...
Why is it that we NEVER see sports books coming into these forums and attacking one another?
Are all of us so called "Watchdog" sites really that STUPID?
Do you think that sponsors LIKE to see this happening when they spend big bucs advertising with us?
BOTH of you guys offer a lot of CREDIBILITY to the industry with your successful sites that inform gamblers about what's going on, who to trust, and who to avoid...
John,
In my opinion, your daily updates on how sports books are faring is by far the best available organized source for gamblers to use when signing up offshore...
Russ,
Your website offers a plethora of solid information from informed gamblers who share their experiences to help others make wise decisions when it comes to betting...
I admit that if isn't easy to turn the cheek when someone takes a shot at me, but the posters aren't dumb and they can sort through the truth without us having to mock one another...
THE SHRINK
Good post Ken.
SBR, again thanks for the clear and concise answer to your question.
You asked Roberto <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What is the "a small %" that Shrink indicates TOW is charging? Is it like 3%? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So again, What percentage of players losses do you get when you direct them to books. For instance Gameday.
And I asked you <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What percentage of players losses do you get when you direct them to books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then you come with Rio/Majorbetting and the kitchen sink. Good stuff John.
ken good suggestion to ignore. Just hard to when there are people working to get others paid from BetPanam and SBR does everything they can to make that NOT happen all because of Johns little friend Marty Monroe. (there is not a post with Roberto in it that JoOhn and his team arent trashing what he is trying to do) Sickening really. Almost as sickening of his Jazz downgrade because they didnt want to deal with his lying ass anymore.
So again, What percentage of players losses do you get when you direct them to books. For instance Gameday.
You know dam well that at the time RIO was having serious ownership problems. Thats why you downgraded them you schmuch.
SBR, again thanks for the clear and concise answer to your question.
You asked Roberto <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What is the "a small %" that Shrink indicates TOW is charging? Is it like 3%? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So again, What percentage of players losses do you get when you direct them to books. For instance Gameday.
And I asked you <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What percentage of players losses do you get when you direct them to books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then you come with Rio/Majorbetting and the kitchen sink. Good stuff John.
ken good suggestion to ignore. Just hard to when there are people working to get others paid from BetPanam and SBR does everything they can to make that NOT happen all because of Johns little friend Marty Monroe. (there is not a post with Roberto in it that JoOhn and his team arent trashing what he is trying to do) Sickening really. Almost as sickening of his Jazz downgrade because they didnt want to deal with his lying ass anymore.
So again, What percentage of players losses do you get when you direct them to books. For instance Gameday.
You know dam well that at the time RIO was having serious ownership problems. Thats why you downgraded them you schmuch.
John,
Fees are not secret. You may want to go to this page ( theoffshorewire.com/geno.htm ).
This is what you find there :
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ( * ) The Offshore Wire charges a 10% fee on solved payout disputes with no risk / low risk books. A 20% fee is charged on all solved payout disputes concerning high risk and non rated books. Assistance for non payout related disputes is free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Given the nature of the situation the fee has been reduced to 10% for Betpanam ( it should have been 20% ).
Fees are charged and become due only after players receive their payout ( partially or in full ). If partial the fee charged is the percentage applied to the amounts effectively received.
As you are aware administrative costs and all other items related to a collection make these fees look more than reasonable.
Hope this answer satisfies your question. I understand Russ has a couple of questions still awaiting your reply, which I believe would be appreciated so that you guys can move on.
Fees are not secret. You may want to go to this page ( theoffshorewire.com/geno.htm ).
This is what you find there :
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ( * ) The Offshore Wire charges a 10% fee on solved payout disputes with no risk / low risk books. A 20% fee is charged on all solved payout disputes concerning high risk and non rated books. Assistance for non payout related disputes is free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Given the nature of the situation the fee has been reduced to 10% for Betpanam ( it should have been 20% ).
Fees are charged and become due only after players receive their payout ( partially or in full ). If partial the fee charged is the percentage applied to the amounts effectively received.
As you are aware administrative costs and all other items related to a collection make these fees look more than reasonable.
Hope this answer satisfies your question. I understand Russ has a couple of questions still awaiting your reply, which I believe would be appreciated so that you guys can move on.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TOW:
As a side note, and please don't get me wrong Ivan ....I have two players that you referred to Betpanam....they are not happy with the fact you seem to care about the money you're owed, while they claim you have abandoned them.
I personally don't care, as my goal is and remains to get all players paid. Unfortunately I can interact with local parties only on behalf of the ones I legally represent. However, if I was one of these two guys that trusted you I'd be a bit pissed as well.
Not only that. They posted up, you "won" a free contest. They have real post up money at stake, you have "free" money at stake. See the difference ?
Peace.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
so what you are saying is winnings dont count. Whats the difference if winning were generated from free contests or from post up $$ its still players $$, no? If BPA was in business they would send the guy his contest winnings, so why does this $$ count in that situation but not in the situation were BPA goes under? Splitting hairs on this is exactly what the BPA people want you to do, squabbling over what $$ are legit $$ takes focus away from the fact that BPA stiffed players cold. If BPA is going to honour players BALANCES and not their DEPOSITS, which by all your accounts is the case, it should not even be an issue as to how the BALANCE was generated.
As a side note, and please don't get me wrong Ivan ....I have two players that you referred to Betpanam....they are not happy with the fact you seem to care about the money you're owed, while they claim you have abandoned them.
I personally don't care, as my goal is and remains to get all players paid. Unfortunately I can interact with local parties only on behalf of the ones I legally represent. However, if I was one of these two guys that trusted you I'd be a bit pissed as well.
Not only that. They posted up, you "won" a free contest. They have real post up money at stake, you have "free" money at stake. See the difference ?
Peace.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
so what you are saying is winnings dont count. Whats the difference if winning were generated from free contests or from post up $$ its still players $$, no? If BPA was in business they would send the guy his contest winnings, so why does this $$ count in that situation but not in the situation were BPA goes under? Splitting hairs on this is exactly what the BPA people want you to do, squabbling over what $$ are legit $$ takes focus away from the fact that BPA stiffed players cold. If BPA is going to honour players BALANCES and not their DEPOSITS, which by all your accounts is the case, it should not even be an issue as to how the BALANCE was generated.
mizike, never said winnings don't count. Ivan has a legit claim. I just let surface the impressions reported by two players ( also owed by Betpanam ) who had been referred by Ivan. They don't post, as a good 80/85% of all players owed, and they felt somehow offended by the fact that Ivan was making a mess ( legitimate ) about his money only.
man there is always something hidden in the background. One thing i dont get is a non poster is mad becasue his issues are not posted!?!?! exactly wheres the logic? as i have come to relaize logic is usually the last thing people follow in this world. Weird how a industry that is #'s oriented (100% pure logic)has almost no logic displayed by is participants from all sides. Thanks for explaining hope your hard work will pay off soon.
