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state sponsored capitalism is littered with a ridiculous amount of corruption

the government basically says do whatever you need to do to meet such and such numbers....who cares if you are polluting, making a crappy product, fudging the numbers etc...just get er done....

and all these examples outta china is why i don't think we have to fear china as much as many people think who's gonna trust um....

but than again who can you trust these days i suppose...american government and our leaders becoming more china like.....

now that china has got out of control inflation and a huge population of poor people that aren't joining in on the boom...they got alot of issues to deal with themselves...

laughing as they trying to tone down inflation with price controls, "anti-hoarding" shit etc...
 

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hilarous watching the current chinese ipo mania/bubble going on right now

like take this yoku....chinese youtube...man those chinese are quite inventive :) they basically create copycat companies that are allowed by the commie fascists.....

anywho yoku got up to 50 after ipo price of like 13 or something...now 28....lmao
 

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as for others....

ckgt probably worth a punt down here now....IMO

kinda liked it back in the 1s but than it ran and got away from me all the way to 3...now back around 1 again...up 22% today on what's looking like will be a record volume day on a guidance report

as always these guys are going to be very risky....and have valuations below what you would expect of most stocks because you don't know which ones are lying and such....but i like CKGT especially with the cacti smokes

if there's one thing i know about the chinese is they like to smoke

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yeah check out this youku analysis

the numbers are flat out staggering wow!!

chinese IPO land looking very 1999ish :)

Why I'm Short Youku, The Most Overvalued Stock In The Universe

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-...d-stock-in-the-universe-2010-12#ixzz187qxLTRj

On Wednesday Chinese online video/TV site Youku.com (NYSE: YOKU) went public after pricing its shares at $12.80, up from the original range of $9-$11. On its first day of trading, the company ended the day with a market cap of approximately $3.3 billion on a share price of $33.44. Yesterday, (12/9/10) it tacked on an additional $9.26 per share to close the day with a share price of $42.70 and a market capitalization north of $4.2 billion.
Guests on CNBC must have talked about Youku 100 times this week adding to the stock's storied rise and hype. The question is -- Do people even know what they are buying? A close examination of their financials raises serious questions about the valuation of this stock in my opinion.
To start, I seriously doubt that most retail investors who have been piling into this stock know that Youku lost $25 million for the first 9 months of 2010 on revenue of just $35 million. That’s right, so far this year, Yokou has been generating less than $4 million a month in revenue while at the same time losing around $2.7 million a month. It is also worth pointing out that losses at Youku have actually been growing year over year, not diminishing. For the first 9 months of 2009 Youku lost around $20.4 million. For the first 9 months of 2010 Youku lost $25 million. These aren't exactly the type of numbers you usually see in a company with a market cap of say $400 million, let alone one with a valuation of $4.25 billion.
To cut to the point, my guess is that this stock will drop considerably as this data becomes more accessible to the general public. From what I see, Youku hasn't even proven their business model to be viable as the combination of high bandwidth costs, high content costs, and young users with small incomes all add up to losses for the company so far. I suppose this proves that investors still don’t read SEC filings. I’m sure someone in the mass media will eventually pick up on this and report it broadly to the market. When this happens, watch out below.
So you can see this hard data for yourself, here are some excerpts from the Youku Registration Filing filed with the SEC on Dec 3rd, 2010.
1) This part shows Youku having $35 mil in revenue in the first 9 months of 2010. Remember, they are a $4.25 bil company doing less than $4 mil a month in revenue.
As is customary in the advertising industry in China, we offer commissions to third-party advertising agencies that purchase our advertising services and recognize revenues net of these commissions. Our net revenues increased from RMB1.8 million in 2007 to RMB33.0 million in 2008 and to RMB153.6 million in 2009, and increased from RMB99.8 million in the nine months ended September 30, 2009 to RMB234.6 million (US$35.1 million) in the nine months ended September 30, 2010.
2) This part of their filing shows Youku losing $25 mil in the first 9 months of 2010.
We incurred net losses in the amount of RMB89.7 million, RMB204.5 million, RMB182.3 million and RMB167.0 million (US$25.0 million) in 2007, 2008, 2009 and the nine months ended September 30, 2010, respectively, primarily due to significant bandwidth and content costs, and capital expenditures required to ramp up our business and operations at the early stage of development of our business.
3) This shows that losses are growing, not coming down like you would want to see.
Our net losses increased from RMB136.3 million in the nine months ended September 30, 2009 to RMB167.0 million (US$25.0 million) in the nine months ended September 30, 2010 primarily due to the increases in our sales and marketing efforts, content costs and bandwidth costs.
4) Costs to license content are skyrocketing for Youku.
A majority of our user traffic is attributable to professionally produced content. The market prices for professionally produced content, especially popular movies and television serial dramas, have increased significantly in China during the past few years. For example, according to our internal records, the average license fee for television serial drama has increased in 2009 by more than 200% as compared to 2008, and such fee has increased in 2010 to date by more than 100% as compared to 2009. The average license fee for movies has also increased in 2010 to date by more than 90% as compared to 2009. Due to the improving monetization perspective of online video advertising, online video websites are generating more revenues and are competing aggressively to license popular television serial dramas and movies, and the increasingly intense content bidding process has in turn led to increases in license fees of professionally produced content in general.
To add to the story, last night, Youku announced that the underwriters of its initial public offering exercised their over-allotment option to purchase an additional 2,377,155 American depositary shares ("ADSs") from Youku at the initial public offering price of US$12.80 per ADS, less the underwriting discount. I bet these guys are happy that the stock is already $30 over the price they are paying for these shares, giving them a paper profit of over $70 mil. Crowd favorite Goldman Sachs happens to be the lead underwriter on the deal. Surprise, Surprise.
In a few months, you have to wonder how investors will react when the company reports (my guess) around $15 mil in quarterly revenue and earnings come in at a loss of anywhere from $2 million to maybe a profit of say, $2 million? If they "blow out" earnings and make $2 million, that will give them a forward P/E of around a 500+ based on its current valuation. As far as I’m concerned, only misinformed dreamers are buying this stock at this price. I'd be very surprised if it doesn't sell off, giving people a much better entry point at some time in the future. People really need to put a filter on CNBC sometimes.


Disclosure: I am short YOKU.




 

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My bad just a good example of te overall bubble in American listed Chinese stocks....

This thread dead anyway since Kuwl the pumper ran off

Gl Ckgt the only one I'd touch at this point in time....maybe bspm as well

Ckgt looks good down here to me.... been given the thumbs up from the commie fascists who control the entire cigarette production market....as their cacti smokes have both low and no nicotine and could be a potential way to wean the humongous population offa smokes which is a huge public health issue in china

Looks like Ccme coming back to earth along with the few other " winners" Kuwl had in his list of hundreds that seemed to change weekly
 

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Massive short squeeze with CCME today, popped 17% today to close at $22.81. Still holding all my shares (in fact, bought more at $20). The more I read about it the more I like it.
 

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looks like CCME got hit by the those dirty shorts trying to dig up the dirt on the low transparency china micro caps

alot of that been going on for a while now....with research firms going around and trying to dig up any dirt they can find on scam china stocks out there.....

just one big volatile casino in this space who knows who to trust......

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http://www.benzinga.com/11/02/826402/china-mediaexpress-too-good-to-be-true

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Citron Research claimed that CCME is just a “phantom” company with an overly lack of transparency in its story. In spite of having spent a mere fraction of what competitors have on infrastructure, CCME has purportedly grown profits from $2 mil to its recently raised guidance of $85 mil. Over the last 8 quarters, CCME reported generating $95 mil of cash flow after all CAPEX and for-cash acquisitions. This result puts CCME ahead of giant Focus Media in terms of profit, and outpacing all their competition by a landslide, despite their smaller footprint.
Citron Research went on to list a few websites to support their claims that CCME had been “missing” in majority of news covering outdoor media in China. CCME website does not show a rate card, its cooperating bus operators or any business partners.
CCME also had limited analyst coverage, namely by : Global Hunter and Northland only. By contrast, Focus Media is covered by GS)" ticker="NYSE%3AGS">Goldman Sachs, JPM)" ticker="NYSE%3AJPM">JP Morgan, CSFB and DB)" ticker="NYSE%3ADB">Deutsche Bank. Vision China Media and AirMedia are also covered by big weights JP Morgan, BoA and OPY)" ticker="NYSE%3AOPY">Oppenheimer.
 

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And, With A $2.00 Price Target, The Latest (Alleged) Chinese Fraud Is....
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/03/2011 10:43 -0500

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"Based on our research, China Agritech, Inc. (listed on NASDAQ as CAGC) is not a currently functioning business that is manufacturing products. Instead it is, in our view, simply a vehicle for transferring shareholder wealth from outside investors into the pockets of the founders and inside management. Our price target of $2 is based on the cash currently reported on CAGC’s books—$45.8 million—divided by the number of shares outstanding. The company’s remaining business does not, we believe, exceed $7.5 million in revenue per year. If the overhead associated with maintaining a listed company is taken into account, there is no profit. Since we believe China Agritech has no valuable technology, intellectual property, customer relationships, or capital assets, there is no value to the company other than dissolution value." LM Research
 

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Boy oh boy. Those Chinese have taken to free enterprise like ducks to water.

Your comment just came to mind when I saw this...nothing on this from major media outlet so i suppose it might be made up story.....

But Rice prices starting to sky again and its chinese new year time with ben's no inflation QE rampage...so makes sense to just mix some potatoes and platic together and sell it as rice.....be sure to check those labels at the grocery stores.....seeing more and more made in china's quietly showing up on the shelves in the US the FDA won't protect you

Fake Plastic Rice from China
According to the Korean-language “Weekly Hong Kong” (which many Vietnam websites are referencing as well), Singapore media claim that fake rice is being distributed in the Chinese town of Taiyuan, in Shaanxi province. This “rice” is a mix of potatoes, sweet potatoes, and plastic. It is formed by mixing the potatoes and sweet potatoes into the shape of rice grains, then adding industrial synthetic resins. Since the rice does not behave like normal rice, it stays hard even after it has been cooked. Such synthetic resins can also be very harmful if consumed.

A Chinese Restaurant Association official said that eating three bowls of this fake rice would be like eating one plastic bag. Due to the seriousness of the matter, he added that there would be an investigation of factories alleged to be producing the rice. Meanwhile, the low cost of the fake rice is allowing wholesalers to make large profits.
 

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Hope you jumped shipped prior to this deac

More reputable firm that exposed rino goes after ccme

http://www.muddywatersresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/CCME_MW_020311.pdf full report

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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/muddy-waters-skewers-china-medical-express-holdings-see-60-downside

Muddy Waters Skewers China MediaExpress Holdings (CCME), See 60%+ Downside
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/03/2011 13:05 -0500



The firm which exposed RINO for the fraud it is has released its latest target: Chinese company CCME.

Muddy Waters LLC has initiated coverage on China MediaExpress Holdings, Inc. (CCME) with a Strong Sell rating and an estimated value of $5.28.

Muddy Waters, LLC believes that CCME is engaging in a massive “pump and dump” scheme whereby it significantly inflates revenue and profits in order to enrich management through earn-outs and stock sales.
We estimate that CCME’s actual 2009 revenue was no more than $17 million (versus $95.9 million it reported).
The data CCME provides to advertisers shows that it has fewer than half of the 27,200 buses it claims to have.
The CTR reports that the Company uses to support its claims contain gross errors that we conclude are due to manipulation by the management.
We estimate that over half of CCME’s network buses do not actually play CCME content. Rather, drivers play DVD movies that are often provided by passengers.
We caught CCME’s management telling a particularly egregious lie – that its new website (www.switow.com) has entered into an agreement with Apple (or one of Apple’s) distributors. Neither is true.
Similar to RINO, CCME is an obscure company in its industry. Media buyers who would have to know it if CCME were to be believed have never even heard the Company’s name before.
CCME’s core audience is sub-Greyhound Bus demographic.
Full report (pdf)

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Utterly flabbergasted the us regulators allowed all these chinese frauds to be listed outside the ob and pk exchanges.....just a bunch of crooks sheering the sheep....the only way it seems anybody can make a buck these days as crony capitalism runs ranpant....
 

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Yes, he made some good calls, but some of his losers were catastrophic, like DNNC and DJSP. Fortunately, the stock I read and researched the most was CCME and I ended up putting a quarter of my 401k into it. I've made nearly enough to erase every dumb move I've made over the last two years. Too bad he's not still around as I'd like his opinion on how far he thinks CCME can run.

i seriously hope this you were making up stories...i'm not even sure if employers allow you to trade stocks in a 401k to begin with the ones that i know of only give various mutual/money fund options and possibly the companies stock you are working for as options...maybe some do allow you to own anything but not that i've heard of...

CCME is getting obliterated.... the latest victim of the chinese microcap fraud market....

scratch my recent comments about ckgt and bspm being potential longs....just can't trust any of um at this point....as its becomes obvious most of them are just frauds....the low as valuations you are seeing are low for a reason cause they are phantom and made up......

only chinese companies you can trust what the numbers and such that they are reporting are ones that are covered/offered by the big name financial guys....

like dang and yoku were offered recently they are companies you can trust the numbers they reporting...as for the current valuation of a yoku based on their results....its valuation is ridiculous though.....
 

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also makes you wonder based on all this fraudulent reporting coming out

how phantom and made up china's overall GDP and other figures are.....

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Niels Jensen Asks If Plunging Chinese Power Output Is Indicative Of A "Dramatic Economic Slowdown"

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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/03/2011 09:55 -0500




The latest letter by Absolute Return Partners' Niels Jensen is a must read for anyone still on the fence about the Chinese "thesis." With many prominent pundits pitching either side of the China bull/bear case, often times covering up weaknesses in their arguments with extended and superfluous rhetoric, sometimes it gets easy to get lost in the noise: here is where Jensen's ability to create signal shines through. Jensen starts off with the official revelation that Chinese GDP is a made up number, discussed previously on Zero Hedge. "In a leaked 2007 cable Li Keqiang, who is the favourite to become the next premier, confided that official Chinese GDP figures are “man made” and “for reference only” (surprise, surprise), and that one should rather look at alternative measures such as electricity consumption, rail freight volumes and bank lending, if one wants a true picture of economic growth in China." It is all downhill from there.
First, looking at trends in Chinese power output, indicates that the Chinese economy very likely fell off a cliff in 2010 despite what the fabricated GDP number was indicating:

Here is ARP's take on this collapse in the one metric that actually does matter:
Assuming the electricity stats tell the true story, and that the GDP numbers are ‘for reference only’ (remember, not my words!), China’s economy experienced a dramatic slowdown as 2010 progressed. Total power consumption (year on year) grew by a whopping 22.7% in Q1 last year but only by 5.5% in Q4. The slowdown in Q4 was in fact so dramatic that the power output dropped 6.3% quarter on quarter! There were some restrictions in place on the use of electricity in Q3 and Q4 which did have some impact, but those restrictions were dropped in November, so it cannot be the only explanation. This story is largely ignored by the sell-side banks, most of whom have no interest in offending their new pay masters
Yet while economic growth does not lead to revolutions, surging price inflation does. So what does China do? Pull a page straight out of the BLS playbook, and minimize the impact of food on CPI!
Turning to inflation, a similar picture emerges. According to the official stats, Chinese consumer price inflation moderated to 4.6% in December, down from 5.1% in November. However, anecdotal evidence suggests a much more serious problem, in particular in the largest cities, where actual inflation is running close to 20% according to my sources.

As I prepared for this letter I received an email from China specialist Simon Hunt, who notified me of the fact that the National Bureau of Statistics of China has just announced that the weight of food in the consumer price index has been reduced as of 1st January. In an emerging economy such as China, where 35-40% of disposable income is spent on food items, sharply rising food prices are actually likely to lead to food accounting for a higher percentage of overall disposable income, so the Chinese reaction defies all logic. There can only be one motive: to cook the books. The CPI numbers appear to be as rigged as the GDP numbers.

I don’t really know whether actual inflation is currently running at 8%, 10% or possible even higher. All I know is that it is a much bigger problem than the official numbers suggest.
Which is why, as we have been advising since October 2010, the easiest global central bank put is to push the accelerator on the rice trade. This, at least to China, is the end all be all, and why just like in Europe the bond vigilantes woke up just as it was made clear how insolvent the continent truly is, so shall the price of rice surge once it is made apparent to the entire world just how close to the edge China and its 1.3 billion really are.
And lest anyone believe that the PBoC was the only bank that did not engage in artificially stimulative QE, here is a chart from SocGen, via ARP, debunking that foolish notion:

Bottom line:
As a result of the above, the Chinese leadership currently finds itself in a bit of a pickle. On one hand, indications are pretty clear that the economy is at grave risk of overheating. On the other hand, the transition of power from current President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao to the next generation of leaders is fast approaching. Although the National People’s Congress, where the new leaders will be officially instated, is not taking place until March 2012, the new power structure will almost certainly become apparent to the outside world at the next party congress, scheduled for October of this year.

Given the importance of this changeover and the significance the Chinese assign to not losing face, the leadership will do anything in its power to maintain the economic momentum until after the March 2012 congress. This increases the probability that the Chinese monetary authorities will fall further behind the curve in the months to come and make the landing so much harder when it ultimately happens.
While there is much more in the full letter below, the key focus is on items relating to commodity price inflation. It took cotton one month to jump 28%. This will make its way through the price chain and impact both Chinese margins and personal incomes, and eventually do the same here in the US. Then add all other commodities, and please ignore any stupefying explanations from the Steve Liesmans of the world how wheat prices surging is actually irrelevant for the price of bread.
 

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it is well documented these guys lie to their own citizens and coverup things and don't allow the people to see things they don't want them to see

not sure why the world at large believes their economic story as a whole isn't just one big made up story.....

funny part is ben's QE printing based "recovery" is utterly hopeless (probably hopeless anyway) without china continuing to chug along....
 

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Hope you jumped shipped prior to this deac

Yeah, I sold everything at $16 and change. I bought back in in the low $16's and changed my mind and sold them almost immediately after and I was kicking myself because I thought I had made a mistake. I'm just now seeing what happened, so now I'm feeling pretty good that I made any money at all on this POS. I'm still holding a few other China stocks, but they are gone first thing in the morning.
 

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i seriously hope this you were making up stories...i'm not even sure if employers allow you to trade stocks in a 401k to begin with the ones that i know of only give various mutual/money fund options and possibly the companies stock you are working for as options...maybe some do allow you to own anything but not that i've heard of...

It's called a self-directed brokerage account

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Appreciate your concern. I'm not sure how things would have turned out if not for being snowed in, because I've spent hours a day watching and reading about CCME. I might have been fucked if I was on my normal work schedule.
 

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interesting didn't know that some employers did offer options beyond a handful of mutual/money market funds and company stock and good to hear you didn't take it in the shorts on CCME....

some of these guys might come back and not be frauds.....but overall just not worth messing around with

its really wacky seeing the huge differences in these chinese guys

the ones that aren't back by a goldman sachs or some big firm tend to trade at super low valuations due to lack of transparency and guessing game of who is and who isn't a fraud and who will be the next to be exposed

while the ones backed by goldman sachs like a YOKU have insanely overvalued valuations of tech bubble proportions in some cases but you can trust their numbers (yoku hasn't made a profit in company history)
 

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Most 401K plans allow you to be self-broker now Tiz, I trade from my 401K on daily basis, the casino is just getting bigger and bigger. Lol.
 

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